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curly apparently "defending" jimmy.
((SPOILERS!!)) ((TW: R and SA))
so.. THE TITLE. ive seen this go around alot and i have had a few comments earlier about it and would like to go into my POV and such. (first time posting a discussion so im like kind of worried on responses but this is just my honest opinion)

not really anywhere in the story does it show curly defending jimmy on what he did to anya. yes, there was a part where curly was asking for the gun, anya telling him she was pregnant, anya apparently "telling" him before about it and how it was jimmy, and curly obviously saying he will speak to jimmy about it.. now, not sure how to exactly put this into words but i really dont think from my POV curly was defending him, i mean, it was r... who would.

i am pretty sure in that part i mentioned that curly mentioned wanting to use the gun on jimmy and thats why he was asking for it in the first place?..
now, also from the fact that anya had mentioned to curly that she knew he "wouldnt allow her" to use the gun to defend herself from him, and hence why she had hid it from herself in the first place. lets bare in mind curly only had 32 hours prox to process the information anya had told him, regardless of if he was told before. and he only had that very little time to figure what to do with jimmy.

maybe Anya hadnt told him the whole story? could be a possibility. r and sa victims arent that forthcoming with what they had experienced, especially when curly was friends with jimmy, and she didnt want the whole crew to know. but also theres a possibility curly wanted to keep everything under control / couldve been through alot of stress during the time with the ship + other crew members and the best he could do from then was to protect anya from anymore harm done by jimmy.

this plot is really confusing and ive been trying to like pick parts out to defend my point. this situation couldve been worse and curly couldve defended jimmy all the way.
but really, nothing had exactly been confirmed, and i had gone into some more depths about the crash. which, the logical path on that would be that jimmy suddenly had an outburst and overwhelm of his actions and the first thing that came to mind was wanting to kill himself. i feel like he had no intention on killing the others though.

im sorry if this is very messy and alot to read, i just tried to cover the main parts.. would like to hear others opinions though :)).
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would also like to add on a few things..
i feel as if curly mentioning to jimmy "we'll fix this" is to not cover the SA he did. rather to put it into context of him helping jimmy probably find a new job.
anya and jimmy couldve potentially had an on-going relationship before the crash and it couldve been completely consensual until he had gotten her pregnant and he had very abusive outbursts, actions. which, would make sense by her being terrified of him.

but also another mention, curly character is completely oblivious to a smaller picture and normally views the bigger one. thats what the dead pixel scene was about.. so her of course telling him that she was pregnant, he probably wanted to view the whole picture of it and think that he can keep the situation under control and help anya until they figured what to do with jimmy. i dont really think he ever forgot what jimmy did to anya. but curly seems to be the type of character that wants to see more good than bad in people (him not being a complete bad character himself).

lets keep in mind he was the CAPTAIN. he had alot of responsibilities and was oblivious to the fact jimmy would turn out to be a complete psychopath. and of course very mentally unwell. he wasnt probably oblivious to the fact everyone and everything was his responsibility though.

jimmys abusive and overwhelming outbursts couldve been from the fact that he had now the whole crew to look after, even curly in his state after the crash. he probably assumed he wouldve been dead himself. completely switching topics; it was very visible anya wanted nothing more to do with jimmy, but had to keep communicating with him anyways.. of course about curly and his meds. i feel as if anya wouldve forced herself to do them IF she was that terrified of him.
sgDeity Feb 1 @ 10:47am 
Well, he did.

Inaction is what allows abusers to keep abusing, and victims to keep being abused. Curly took a neutral stance in the problem, a problem Anya told him out of trust.

But taking a neutral stance in an abuse situation is only going to benefit the abuser.

Not to mention that he displays more concern about Jimmy, saying he "went through difficult situations" before, and saying the two would fix things.

He gos as far as telling Anya not to report what was happening bc that could compromise his position as captain.
moth Feb 1 @ 12:50pm 
Originally posted by sgDeity:
Well, he did.

Inaction is what allows abusers to keep abusing, and victims to keep being abused. Curly took a neutral stance in the problem, a problem Anya told him out of trust.

But taking a neutral stance in an abuse situation is only going to benefit the abuser.

Not to mention that he displays more concern about Jimmy, saying he "went through difficult situations" before, and saying the two would fix things.

He gos as far as telling Anya not to report what was happening bc that could compromise his position as captain.
hello hello
regarding the way curly treats jimmy even after he knows he's done horrible things
the reality is, when you're in a situation with a volatile person, confrontation is terrifying and has many, many ways to go wrong. and there's this magical thing you can do called trying to redirect
the crew was quite literally trapped with jimmy, before and after the crash- and when you know someone is volatile, it's often more feasible to approach them very gently and even lie until you're in a position where you can deal with the volatile individual without the risk of things going horribly wrong. now, as we can see in game, even the gentle approach didn't keep jimmy from freaking and trying to crash the ship, and curly definitely has his flaws- but he's also under pressure in an impossible situation. I've been in curly's shoes- when you have a jimmy in your life, sometimes the only option is to try and coax them away from lashing out through sympathy and appeasement. even when you want to rip them limb from limb. it doesn't always works, but it usually feels like a safer way to deal with it while you wait for when the situation can actually be resolved without making things messier.
curly also clearly doesn't know what the hell he's doing half the time- we see he suffers from disassociation (psych eval with anya) and is scared of conflict and change- which are pretty human things to be afraid of. could he have handled the situation better? probably, we don't know, but hindsight's 20/20 and a central part of curly's character is that while he tries to be perfect and solid, he's only human. he's also too empathetic for his own good, as seen when he breaks the news to the crew that they're all getting laid off, when he wasn't supposed to. this is also his flaw in his relationship with jimmy- in 'the last one and then another,' he laments it, expressing regret over getting jimmy the job with pony express in the hope it would help him.

TL:DR
curly acts very realistically in a very hard situation. this is not necessarily the best course of action, but curly cannot see the future. he was also very aware that jimmy was volatile, and was likely trying to treat him gently accordingly in fear that jimmy will get worse. this doesn't work in the end, as we know, but somewhere out there is a potential alternate ending where curly wore himself to the bone keeping the peace and keeping anya safe until the tulpar finally docked and he could get jimmy to take responsibility without risk to the rest of the crew. this is likely what he was aiming for, but his kind nature ends up being his fatal flaw again when he underestimates jimmy to try and maintain some faith in his friend, and subsequently blinds himself to the dead pixel in favor of pursuing the bigger picture.
curly has nothing but good intentions, but inadvertently neglects solving the actual problem by trying to keep it from getting worse.
Rumi Feb 6 @ 12:49am 
wtf is r and sa?
Ehhh, I do have a question. Why do yall assume is rope? It doesnt fit at all into the narrative, like, Anya had all the leverage in the world, but not only she didnt do anything before the crash, but at her last moments she just commits suicide? It doesnt make sense, if she was traumatized before the crash, why would she wait 5 months with her agressor just to commit suicide anyways. ITS NOT LOGICAL.

Buuut, you know what does make more sense and fits into the narrative? She never was pregnant in the first place bc she lied about it (for one or two reasons, trying to manipulate Jimmy into a relationship or out of spite because of the horse comment, and get Jimmy in trouble with Curly). It does make more sense, if would have been the last straw for him. But he probably realize that after 2 months, Anya never had any signs of pregnancy, he would have assume that she lied and thats why neither of them talked about it.

And ANYA herself said something about doing something far worse while she was inside the Medbay. Think about it, she had something dark in her closet, which we didnt know or saw, and will never be seen. (Could be something related to her past or something she did on the ship)

The thing is, dudes, its 2025, why do we keep assuming woman dont manipulate and do horrible things while preaching to be good people. Its horrifying. Lol.
But hey, kudos for reaching the same conclusion, I do feel Jimmy tried to kill himself rather than try to kill the crew. It makes sense for his character.
I dunno if this was a plot hole or not but it has always made me wonder!

WHY didn't Curly actually get his hands on the gun? Sure, he talks to Anya in the cockpit, finds out she's pregnant and consoles her when he realizes she hid the gun from Jimmy out of fear. But when it gets to 0 Days Before the Crash and Curly talks to her again in the MedBay (when she tells him she told Jimmy about the baby and Curly asks her why didn't you wait for me) - he could have THEN gotten the gun, which we all know was in the examination table right in front of them! And even if the gun wasn't there yet, WHY did he never, as the captain, ever actually acquire that gun???

I highly doubt he ever would have used it, but I find it so weird that he never actually got the gun back XD! Unless he and Anya off-camera agreed to keep it hidden in the MedBay lol!

We'll never know :P

To stay on topic... yeah I don't think Curly was ever defending Jimmy's actions. Let's not forget both he and Anya were victims to Jimmy's abuse. I wish he knocked Jimmy's block off :P
Last edited by the0neKris; Feb 10 @ 3:31pm
MILKIE Feb 11 @ 12:07am 
Originally posted by czm0.st4r:
((SPOILERS!!)) ((TW: R and SA))
so.. THE TITLE. ive seen this go around alot and i have had a few comments earlier about it and would like to go into my POV and such. (first time posting a discussion so im like kind of worried on responses but this is just my honest opinion)

not really anywhere in the story does it show curly defending jimmy on what he did to anya. yes, there was a part where curly was asking for the gun, anya telling him she was pregnant, anya apparently "telling" him before about it and how it was jimmy, and curly obviously saying he will speak to jimmy about it.. now, not sure how to exactly put this into words but i really dont think from my POV curly was defending him, i mean, it was r... who would.

i am pretty sure in that part i mentioned that curly mentioned wanting to use the gun on jimmy and thats why he was asking for it in the first place?..
now, also from the fact that anya had mentioned to curly that she knew he "wouldnt allow her" to use the gun to defend herself from him, and hence why she had hid it from herself in the first place. lets bare in mind curly only had 32 hours prox to process the information anya had told him, regardless of if he was told before. and he only had that very little time to figure what to do with jimmy.

maybe Anya hadnt told him the whole story? could be a possibility. r and sa victims arent that forthcoming with what they had experienced, especially when curly was friends with jimmy, and she didnt want the whole crew to know. but also theres a possibility curly wanted to keep everything under control / couldve been through alot of stress during the time with the ship + other crew members and the best he could do from then was to protect anya from anymore harm done by jimmy.

this plot is really confusing and ive been trying to like pick parts out to defend my point. this situation couldve been worse and curly couldve defended jimmy all the way.
but really, nothing had exactly been confirmed, and i had gone into some more depths about the crash. which, the logical path on that would be that jimmy suddenly had an outburst and overwhelm of his actions and the first thing that came to mind was wanting to kill himself. i feel like he had no intention on killing the others though.

im sorry if this is very messy and alot to read, i just tried to cover the main parts.. would like to hear others opinions though :)).

Curly is definitely not a bad guy but yeah he dropped the ball by not taking a stronger stance on Jimmy.
was she raped though? or did she feel regret? we all know females LOVE to claim rape when they regret their own actions. that being said, jimmy still the bad guy, i just dont believe he raped anyone
MILKIE Feb 13 @ 3:49pm 
Originally posted by LCPL Schmuckatelli:
was she raped though? or did she feel regret? we all know females LOVE to claim rape when they regret their own actions. that being said, jimmy still the bad guy, i just dont believe he raped anyone

Bruh yeah she tells curly "you wouldnt let me have the gun to defend myself" what do you think happened
Rumi Feb 13 @ 3:51pm 
Originally posted by MILKIE:
Originally posted by LCPL Schmuckatelli:
was she raped though? or did she feel regret? we all know females LOVE to claim rape when they regret their own actions. that being said, jimmy still the bad guy, i just dont believe he raped anyone

Bruh yeah she tells curly "you wouldnt let me have the gun to defend myself" what do you think happened
he misgendered her
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