I'm lost on this (spoilers)

[Hex: Catboys]

Not sure why so many people adore this game, i really liked the subtext and background hints in the writing and dialogue but the main story regarding the situation itself made little sense to me.

They were willing to keep the captain alive so they could eat him but they let him breathe their limited air, eat their limited food and take their limited medicine for FOUR months!?

The kid gets electrocuted and they instantly mercy kill him instead of trying to help him or put him in the stasis pod?

Also why the ♥♥♥♥ did Jimmy crash into the asteroid? If it was to make Curly look bad that'd be like storming the cockpit of a 747 and crashing the plane into a mountain just because the pilot has a better job than you, even someone as delusional as Jimmy would have a sense of self preservation.

If they mercy killed the captain and put one of them in the stasis pod then the remaining three crew would have at least several more months left to live, potentially enough time to get rescued or even repair the other 3 stasis pods, i don't think the game ever mentioned an SOS signal being sent but it would make sense for there to be a rescue attempt.

The mouthwash;
An additional food source, maybe another 6+ months of supply until scurvy kills them, i'm not sure if the mouthwash actually did anything bad since the other characters drinking it were fine so i'm not quite sure what it's significance was in the story.

Any perspectives on this would be appreciated because i'm stumped.

[Naumy]

and thats assuming the pod could have saved Daisuke with such severe injuries. Its possible it may not work on someone in that state.

another issue with all of this, is the assumption they can receive and transmit communications instantaneously. in deep space, those signals would take time to reach earth(?).

[rhabdophobia]

Originally posted by Naumy:

and thats assuming the pod could have saved Daisuke with such severe injuries. Its possible it may not work on someone in that state.

another issue with all of this, is the assumption they can receive and transmit communications instantaneously. in deep space, those signals would take time to reach earth(?).

i was under the impression that they had no means of direct communication outside of the glorified fax machine the company sends the notice of termination from, and even then it didn't look like they had a way to send anything of their own back. although iirc when you go into the cockpit post-crash it's covered in foam and possibly damaged, so that doesn't really matter much anyway.

[Naumy]

Originally posted by Scylla:

Originally posted by Naumy:

and thats assuming the pod could have saved Daisuke with such severe injuries. Its possible it may not work on someone in that state.

another issue with all of this, is the assumption they can receive and transmit communications instantaneously. in deep space, those signals would take time to reach earth(?).

i was under the impression that they had no means of direct communication outside of the glorified fax machine the company sends the notice of termination from, and even then it didn't look like they had a way to send anything of their own back. although iirc when you go into the cockpit post-crash it's covered in foam and possibly damaged, so that doesn't really matter much anyway.

true on all that.

another issue with the ideas thrown out in this thread, is that talk about a black box. a black box doesnt save the crashing plane. its meant to survive the crash so the people recovering it can know what happened.

[MURDER BEAR ESPORTS]

There's a lot of weird bad faith arguments being made by OP but i just wanna ignore that and focus on this one:

Originally posted by Hex: Catboys:

There is no reason in comparing Daisuke to Swansea's own children as he rarely talks about them unless to insult them, he is a man who is willing to take a job that gets him away from his family for multiple years inbetween each visit. Does that sound like a man who loves his family? A protective father doesnt spend years going untold distances to get away from his children, this is a delusional take.

This is such a weird take given a lot of people IRL work jobs that have them separated from their family for months if not years. That doesn't mean that they hate their kids, it means that's the job which they could get and provide enough to support a family and pay mortgate payments.

You rage against interpretation and subtext but you seem to be interpreting a LOT which the game has not said.

Also re: Daisuke, if his wounds are already infected and won't stop bleeding then even a perfect stasis pod (which this isn't) won't save him because he'll just die when they unthaw him.

[MURDER BEAR ESPORTS]

Also just reviewing some lines and Anya does mention it would take a rescue ship a long time to reach them, even if they noticed they were gone. Jimmy suggests they could divert another freighter but doesn't sound very confident when he says it.

So like. This isn't an issue of subtext or interpretation. You're just bad at reading, bro.

[blablaji]

Originally posted by Hex: Catboys:

They were willing to keep the captain alive so they could eat him but they let him breathe their limited air, eat their limited food and take their limited medicine for FOUR months!?

They kept Curly alive because nobody wanted him to die. Everyone seemed to like and trust him, even Jimmy ends up trying to save him instead of himself in the end.
Nobody was planning to use him as food, Jimmy just does it after everyone else is already dead in the middle of a massive breakdown.

Originally posted by Hex: Catboys:

The kid gets electrocuted and they instantly mercy kill him instead of trying to help him or put him in the stasis pod?

They did try to help him, and Jimmy's terrible idea made everything worse (as usual).
they had no meds, no disinfectant, and no bandages, there was nothing they could do for him.

Swansea was the one who knew how the cryopods worked, surely the fact that he's the one who kills Daisuke tells you that they wouldn't have helped him, or that their chances of being saved at all are so slim that he thought it was the better option.

Originally posted by Hex: Catboys:

Also why the ♥♥♥♥ did Jimmy crash into the asteroid? If it was to make Curly look bad that'd be like storming the cockpit of a 747 and crashing the plane into a mountain just because the pilot has a better job than you, even someone as delusional as Jimmy would have a sense of self preservation.

I mean, Jimmy offs himself at the end anyway, so he clearly thinks death is preferable to taking responsibility for his own actions. Plus he regrets it right after he's done it, he just rationalizes it to himself afterwards.

Jimmy is abusive and controlling, he just lost his job and found out Anya was pregnant so he freaks out and decides it's better to go out on his own terms and take everyone down with him, then hides it when he regrets the decision and lies to cover his tracks.

Originally posted by Hex: Catboys:

If they mercy killed the captain and put one of them in the stasis pod then the remaining three crew would have at least several more months left to live, potentially enough time to get rescued or even repair the other 3 stasis pods, i don't think the game ever mentioned an SOS signal being sent but it would make sense for there to be a rescue attempt.

None of them want Curly dead, he's being kept alive by popular vote, and I don't think any of them would want to be responsible for killing him just to buy them an extra month.

Swansea is saving the pod, either for Daisuke or Anya, and he doesn't want Jimmy to find out about it, so that's not really an option.

They're 8 months away from their destination and it's unlikely anyone will notice they're missing until after that time, the cockpit's destroyed so even if they had a means to contact anyone to begin with it's probably already off the table.

Even if a rescue attempt was made, it'd take a minimum of another 4 months after people noticed they were missing for a ship to make it there from the company, so the only realistic chance anyone has is in the pods and Swansea's already made up his mind about who that might be.

Originally posted by Hex: Catboys:

The mouthwash;
An additional food source, maybe another 6+ months of supply until scurvy kills them, i'm not sure if the mouthwash actually did anything bad since the other characters drinking it were fine so i'm not quite sure what it's significance was in the story

The mouthwash was like 13% ethanol, that's about as strong as wine. It's not really a viable replacement for food and it was enough to make Daisuke sick after one bottle of it.

In a narrative sense, the mouthwash and the title Mouthwashing is a metaphor for Jimmy and his actions.

The mouthwash claims to kill 99.9% of bacteria and germs, but it's so loaded with sugar that it does more harm than good. It's not useful as mouthwash, it's not useful as food and it's not useful as a disinfectant. Anytime somone tries to use it in game it does more bad than good as well, Swansea just gets drunk on it and gives up on trying anything to help, Daisuke gets sick after trying it, and Jimmy makes Daisuke's injury worse when he's trying to treat it.

In the same way, Jimmy is all talk about how much work he's done to fix the situation, how he's taking care of Curly, opened up the cargo hold, etc. but he's the one who caused the issue in the first place. He's the reason Anya gets to nauseous to treat Curly properly, he's the reason Daisuke got hurt, he's the reason Curly is in the condition he's in.

[MURDER BEAR ESPORTS]

Just coming back to say that most people underestimate how hard it is to actually rationalize killing someone.

Soldiers have special programs to desensitize them to death so they can more easily pull the trigger, and executioners are often severely disassociated from their actions. Your average person, even in an emergency situation, cannot imagine ever killing another human being.

Swansea struggles to put Daisuke out of his misery and only rationalizes killing Jimmy in a drunken blood rage. Anya can only bring herself to end her life after MONTHS trapped in a ship with her abuser.

If anything, Jimmy's lack of hesitance in shooting Swansea says a LOT about him as a person.