Mouthwashing

Mouthwashing

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NMC Oct 24, 2024 @ 2:52pm
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[SPOILERS] Curly is guilty
As soon as Jimmy copped to what he did Curly should have called on his authority to either lock him away in stasis for later or judge him summarily then and there. Instead he was more concerned with his appearance in the public record and acting like everyone's friend than actually doing his duty as captain. Man tried to clean the outside of the cup. It was Curly who needed to and failed to take responsibility - this is why he ends up having to watch helplessly to the end as everything unfolds around him.
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Replicant Oct 24, 2024 @ 3:54pm 
I think one of the major problems is there is only two places at lock on the ship. Med and cockpit, meaning if they wanted to jail Jimmy there wasn't exactly many options other than cryo. But Curly is afraid of disturbing the peace, its his responsibility to keep everything okay. And its not exactly as if he was particularly trained for his best friend to rape his coworker, truly how do you keep the peace among the crew and lock Jimmy up? Either you tell everyone the rape occurred and now its every versus Jimmy and they'll either wanna lock him up or hurt him. Its just something that would cause a bunch of problems. The crew didn't need a dead body or a constant upsetting force present. I don't think Curly was concerned about the public record, more his friendships and responsibility as a captain. Curly really likes Jimmy, they're good buddies, friends for a long time, not only does Curly have to process that this guy is straight up evil he has to manage the tensions/emotions of the crew.

I agree that it is telling that Curly ends up helpless and passive. He's rendered just as passive post crash as he acts pre-crash. However, I still think it was a tough situation for him and he barely had a day to wrap his head around it before the crash. Sadly Curly didn't have enough TIME to act, even if he wanted to even if he could have figured out a fair answer for everyone. He had hours, hours that he didn't know were ticking down.

I feel bad for the guy...

:CurlyBby:
Last edited by Replicant; Oct 24, 2024 @ 3:54pm
.°• Sheep ༄𖦹 Oct 25, 2024 @ 1:35pm 
the way he just completely gives up on confronting jimmy and lets him walk off to do whatever he wants right before the crash is so frustrating. he promises anya he's going to do something about it and take action and then he just doesn't, instead he gives jimmy full control of the conversation and then just lets him walk off into the cockpit without another word. he's such a useless enabler that it's amazing he's captain of anything.
casualghost Oct 26, 2024 @ 12:52am 
i really do think, yes, curly cared about his friendship with jimmy and his relationships with his coworkers, and yes telling everyone about the rape and revealing jimmy to be a violent man would cause so many other logistical problems, but curly was 100% also concerned about how he, the captain, would look to the company when they found out he let a man on board, with a knowingly suspicious and possibly criminal past one board at his recommendation, and then "allowed" a sexual assault and pregnancy to happen on board. (of course the rape of anya herself was not directly curly's fault, the entire fault of that specific event should be on jimmy, but i know a corporate company and the law would see curly at fault as well. i also see him at fault for not doing or saying much of anything when anya clearly trusted him with information.) curly wanted to move onto "bigger and better things," in the mini game The Last One and Then Another we get a monologue from curly himself, admitting he was sick of the monotony of the tulpar, and wanted more in life. he expresses guilt for bringing jimmy on board, admitting he was the one who brought him to the job in the first place. curly will never be truly blameless but jimmy will always be the main perpetrator. because all jimmy had to do was not be a rapist. the biggest reason he had for crashing that ship was the responsibility he would have to take if they had completed that mission, eight months went buy and that baby was born, because it doesn't seem like they had a form of abortion in this timeline. especially not on the freighter. if jimmy hadn't raped anya, he wouldn't have crashed the freighter, and still being a ♥♥♥♥ person, none of that would've had to happen.
curly introduced a dangerous man to an otherwise respectful work atmosphere, hoping the best of his longtime friend, thinking he could trust him, and it all went down hill. i cannot imagine the insane amount of guilt that must plague this man. i might have to write an essay on this game, not gonna lie. its infecting my brain.
Warren Statesman Oct 26, 2024 @ 6:35am 
Curly saw the best in everyone and sadly it was his undoing. He's only guilty of being too kind.
4kauanmota Nov 1, 2024 @ 7:34pm 
SAI DO FAKE JIMMY
jelito2008 Nov 4, 2024 @ 11:46am 
Curly made mistakes, true, but I cannot help but feel sorry for him, because his punishment was the worst one, by far.
McBeardly Nov 4, 2024 @ 12:18pm 
Originally posted by Warren Statesman:
Curly saw the best in everyone and sadly it was his undoing. He's only guilty of being too kind.
This sort of complicity is what allows for most of the evils in the world. He is guilty of failing to prevent or remedy harm, which is still in and of itself a moral failing. Not as major as committing harm itself, but still in there.
.°• Sheep ༄𖦹 Nov 4, 2024 @ 12:43pm 
Originally posted by Warren Statesman:
Curly saw the best in everyone and sadly it was his undoing. He's only guilty of being too kind.
this implies a lack of awareness i don't think curly had. it seems pretty clear that curly was already aware that jimmy had issues before any major incident on the tulpar. he never seems that caught off-guard or bothered by jimmy's behavior, it's something he's definitely used to. it's important to remember that they've been friends for a long time, curly's probably been playing clean-up for jimmy for ages.

before he knew what jimmy actually did, he was fairly comfortable with just letting him be rude and unreasonable with anya, it was definitely a "that's just jimmy" type thing in his head that he was willing to ignore. he ignored it so thoroughly that when anya finally started showing serious signs of something being wrong, he didn't even consider that jimmy's constant ridicule and torment could be responsible for how she's feeling, he just assumed she was having an episode due to the stress of her position.

curly's had a long enough time to learn better that he can't be called oblivious, he's complacent. he's unwilling to act and is ultimately punished for that by being rendered unable to act while jimmy destroys everything around him. having all of his agency stripped from him is a very fitting punishment, because he'd spent all of his time leading up to the events of the game deliberately pretending he didn't have any.
EdgyBoiKlaus Nov 4, 2024 @ 3:27pm 
I'm praying that some of the replies are rage bait because if not it makes me question whether or not of of you have actually played the game and understood the story...
Stormwolf Nov 8, 2024 @ 10:58pm 
Originally posted by EdgyBoiKlaus:
I'm praying that some of the replies are rage bait because if not it makes me question whether or not of of you have actually played the game and understood the story...

You say that while bringing nothing to the table. Maybe you didn't understand it?
Arcvox Nov 9, 2024 @ 9:48am 
Thing is, there would have been at least 3 cryo pods available prior to the crash - Curly 100% should have locked him away. Not only is it an abhorrent crime Jimmy has committed, but he's also had aggressive outbursts that quite frankly demand action to be taken at that point, especially in his position with his level of access.

It goes to show that excessive kindness is NOT a virtue and can actually be more damaging in the long run.
tudabee Nov 10, 2024 @ 2:21am 
I lost my mind at Curly when he had the following interaction with Jimmy:


J: "[...] or this can all be remembered as a tragedy. Despite what must have been the best efforts of its acclaimed captain. The Tulpar crew was never found. No one survived to tell the tale. You're standing at the top. Feet in cement. I get it now. Right?"
C: "... ...right."
J: "I'll take care of it."


And just... let him walk away. It's one thing to give your buddy the benefit of the doubt, it's rather another to do nothing when he tells you, to your face, "sure would be convenient for both of us if everyone on this ship died, huh?"
Everyone in this game has some kind of flaw that makes them either more human or less, but some characters are worse than others, with Jimmy being the worst obviously; but curly still is at fault and isn’t the best person either.
I might understand some who are cutting curly some slack because of his condition but the whole game happens because he failed to step up as the leader and take a decision during a very important and sensitive time.
partly because of his relationship with jimmy and well not having the spine to take action and trying to keep everything chugging along, hoping someone else would fix it once they arrived at the destination.
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Date Posted: Oct 24, 2024 @ 2:52pm
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