Everyone keeps saying "the anti woke" crowd

[Deej]

Am I missing something, I didn't think this game was woke, so why do yall keep perpetuating this?

From my understanding the timeline is,

1. Someone makes art of a character and gives them a larger chest.

2. Random people start harassing said Artist for this.

3. Developer tweets out to not harass anyone or you are not welcome in the community.

4. Asmond sees this drama, and decides to check out game.

5. He gave it praise AND postive words, said nothing negative about the game itself, even telling his viewers to buy it.

6. Mentally handicapped and insecure composer gets anal hurt that Asmond is praising the game, and doesn't want him or his viewers playing the game. So much so telling people to self delete

7. Grummz is tagged in the drama, and focuses solely on the rouge dev, and still praises said game.

Not sure, how this has anything to do with anti woke culture. Considering asmond is pro lgb in every way. It really boils down to the composer causing drama over nothing, then making him, the company and game look bad.

[BlackHawk]

Originally posted by UltimateTobi:

Originally posted by BlackHawk:

"Criticising someone for sexualizing an SA character" is VERY different to "criticising someone for drawing a woman with big boobs." For someone accusing me of being bad faith, this is bad faith. This isn't a turn of phrase, these are two very different things, and I have a hard time believing that you aren't aware of that.

You most certainly did not read the tweet if you thought it was anything but polite. He never insulted or even accused asmongold of anything, he very matter-of-fact stated "My values are completely against yours, Asmongold. I do not want to be associated with you through the game I created." It was short, it was honest, and it was polite. Asmongold could not have reacted to something so tame with more offense than he did. He took it to a level far too personal, and so has his community.

To most of you, giving women a bigger chest is already sexualizing, so what does it matter how he phrases it? It happened, an artist spiced the character up. Whether you wanna say it's sexualizing or not, it doesn't matter. The artist got harassed for his art either way, which the dev team condemned.
(Besides, Sexualization isn't negative; we are sexual creatures after all.)

And as for his politeness: what is this then?
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Gdu6-xZWQAABPOH?format=png&name=900x900

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Gdu7XFXaIAAhv-a?format=png&name=900x900

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Gdu7lvDWkAA35LS?format=jpg&name=large

That is anything but polite; to both Asmongold and Grummz.

You are once again trying to distort the narrative because you are too insecure in your own opinions. He did not "just give a woman a bigger chest," he drew her in the most revealing dress imaginable. You watch far too much porn if that isn't considered sexualization to you.

"What is this then?" What about it? Based on the first and third screenshot, you seem to be entirely upset that he used his freedom of speech to express his own discomfort. Where is his supposed tweet attacking asmongold? Not all of these screenshots are even about Asmon, one of them is being directed towards Grummz. Is it because he used a swear word? Or are you so offended over the idea of him feeling uncomfortable that you take it is a personal alight against you, and therefore think of it as impolite?

[BlackHawk]

Originally posted by Massapan:

Originally posted by BlackHawk:

Maliciously distorting the narrative to manipulative your viewpoint in people's favour shouldn't be necessary if you sincerely believe your take is correct.

The first step did not happen. The artist sexualized a fictional SA victim by drawing her in very, very skimpy clothes and a blushing pose, which people then proceeded to criticise him for. The artist then claimed he was receiving death threats, which the devs of Mouthwashing condemned. Asmongold responded to the drama and defended the artist. Nothing more happened until he decided to play the game, at which point the sound composer politely exclaimed how he wished he weren't associated with Asmon and his community because they have fundamentally different morals and values. Asmongold had an absolute meltdown and his community has since berated, harrased and indeed sent death threats to both the composer, the devs and have been pushing this crusade through various threads.

It's entirely overblown drama because one of the devs said he didn't like some people's favourite streamer, and people have changed the story to their fitting in ten different ways ever since to justify their extremely emotional reaction to hearing a different opinion.

lol
the co-founder stated "The anti-woke crowd has found the game and I feel sick to my fing stomach. Being on twitter is going to be unbelievably painful from now on that idk if I can be active on here. I don't have the energy for this", replying to a screenshot of Asmongold defending the artist, before even playing the game, The co-founder then went to wrongfully label Asmongold and claim to be enemies due to the mislabel he himself placed on Asmongold and those he assumed to be of the same crowd, also before asmon even played the game.

A tweet has never been proven more immediately correct, which would have been avoided if Asmongold didn't get so upset by it.

"Wrongfully label..." you mean the "anti-woke" lablel Asmon's community wears as a badge of honour? You speak as if the composer was in the wrong for implying him and asmon have different values, when that has only been unquestionably proven since. You are criticising this man because you think he wrongfully assumed they were opposed to one another, when he was, in fact, correct, and you have only now felt opposed to it because you are attached to a situation that doesn't involve you.

[UltimateTobi]

Originally posted by BlackHawk:

Originally posted by UltimateTobi:

To most of you, giving women a bigger chest is already sexualizing, so what does it matter how he phrases it? It happened, an artist spiced the character up. Whether you wanna say it's sexualizing or not, it doesn't matter. The artist got harassed for his art either way, which the dev team condemned.
(Besides, Sexualization isn't negative; we are sexual creatures after all.)

And as for his politeness: what is this then?
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Gdu6-xZWQAABPOH?format=png&name=900x900

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Gdu7XFXaIAAhv-a?format=png&name=900x900

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Gdu7lvDWkAA35LS?format=jpg&name=large

That is anything but polite; to both Asmongold and Grummz.

You are once again trying to distort the narrative because you are too insecure in your own opinions. He did not "just give a woman a bigger chest," he drew her in the most revealing dress imaginable. You watch far too much porn if that isn't considered sexualization to you.

"What is this then?" What about it? Based on the first and third screenshot, you seem to be entirely upset that he used his freedom of speech to express his own discomfort. Where is his tweet towards asmongold being impolite? Some of these screenshots aren't even about Asmon, the only one even being directed towards a person is about Grummz. Is it because he used a swear word? Or are you so offended over the idea of him feeling uncomfortable that you take it is a personal alight against you, and therefore think of it as impolite?

Well, I said you're bad faith. I didn't say whether or not the character is sexualized or not. I merely said that OP did phrase it differently and that to you folks a bigger chest is already "sexualization".
I then stated that the character got spiced up. Yes, she was made sexier, or was "sexualized". Either way, the harassment happened and you saying "point 1 didn't happen" because OP didn't use the word sexualization is bad faith. Point 1 happened, which led to the rest. The question is, is harrassment (or death threats, if they occurred) justified, if a fictional character gets sexualized?

I am also not butt hurt about what he said or how he said it. You said he was polite. I have disproven your claim.
If he was, he stopped being polite for apparently no reason. Do you have a receipt for his "polite" tweet? I showed you his impoliteness. Now you're moving the goalpost.

I am also not going to debate you about what constitutes politeness. What you quoted seemed polite. What can be seen in the screenshots was definitely not it. One screenshot was directed at Grummz, the other two directed at Asmongold (and his viewers possibly, when you consider the first image.

[Massapan]

Originally posted by BlackHawk:

"Wrongfully label..." you mean the "anti-woke" lablel Asmon's community wear as a badge of honour? You speak as if the composer was in the wrong for implying him and asmon have different values when that has only been unquestionably proven since. You are criticising this man because you think he wrongfully assumed they were opposed to one another when he could not have been more correct. He expressed his feelings over a correct opinion, of which you have now gotten mad at for some reason. It is a waste of time.

"Anti-gay" is the wrongful label he placed on Asmon and others. Don't go jumping trough hoops trying to bad faith this.

[BlackHawk]

Originally posted by Massapan:

Originally posted by BlackHawk:

"Wrongfully label..." you mean the "anti-woke" lablel Asmon's community wear as a badge of honour? You speak as if the composer was in the wrong for implying him and asmon have different values when that has only been unquestionably proven since. You are criticising this man because you think he wrongfully assumed they were opposed to one another when he could not have been more correct. He expressed his feelings over a correct opinion, of which you have now gotten mad at for some reason. It is a waste of time.

"Anti-gay" is the wrongful label he placed on Asmon and others. Don't go jumping trough hoops trying to bad faith this.

His community is unquestionably anti-gay. Read any post about the LGBT community in his subreddit. Denying the reality of the behaviour of his fans does not help your case.

[TriforcePlayer7]

Ignoring this game and studio

[Stradivari]

this all woke thing is cringe, only americans care and its annoing

[BlackHawk]

Originally posted by UltimateTobi:

Originally posted by BlackHawk:

OP didn't "phrase it differently," OP claimed it was an entirely different situation than to what it was. "You folks" is a bad faith assumption you are desperately trying to attach to someone you do not know because you cannot meaningfully argue against the things that I am saying. Claiming it is "bad faith" to acknowledge someone overtly avoiding mentioning the sexualization that happened of a fictional SA victim is bad faith. I can do this all day.

You have not disproven my claim. I claimed that his tweet directly addressing his association with asmongold was, in fact, toned politely, as it did not involve any insults, accusations or attacks. You proceeded to show only 1 tweet that actually addressed asmongold that, in fact, did not involve any insults, accusations or attacks, excpet for the fact that he used a swear word. That is not proof of impoliteness, you are just sensitive.

I reach out an olive branch: OP did minimize the extend of how the character was drawn. And as I stated, yes, the character got spiced up.
However, and you haven't answered this still, does that justify harassment (and potentially death threats if they occurred)? If it was only mild critique, I don't think the developer would've stepped in to condemn harassment (or worse, but I haven't seen receipts for worse).

The third screenshot is also directed at Asmongold. The statement you quoted is tonally completely different to his tweets that are visible in the screenshots. And that is what people have an issue with. Dunno why you can't understand that.

I am still waiting for a link or a screenshot to that polite statement you quoted. His X account is protected, so I can't check. Either way, he started a fire where there was none.

You claimed he was polite, he was not. Has nothing to do with being sensitive or not. If that is politeness to you, then I dunno what to say, I guess we can stop this discussion right then and there.

What has this question got to do with the sound composer's tweets about Asmongold? I don't know what goal-post you're trying to move this conversation onto, but I think you'll have a hard time trying to find someone who's pro-death threats, and all that effort is especially not worth it just so you can have an excuse to argue about something you might actually have a chance coming out of optically intact. I'd like to start talking about why the earth is round instead if this is the case, as I'm very good at it.

Apart from defining his stance on "anti-woke," the third screenshot says nothing different or new about asmon than what he said in the first. It's put altogether in one tweet.

Why are you waiting for a link? Are you saying you missed a tweet of his? You seem to be translating my argument from "the screenshots you show are not insulting asmongold" into "there's a secret screenshot of him attacking asmongold that you didn't show," which is immensely impressive, and is once again an example of you avoiding the chance to meaningfully respond to what I am saying.

That statement I quoted is completely aligned with Martin's tweets addressing Asmongold on twitter. Nothing in that quote is misrepresenting the few things he very plainly said. It's very hard to misunderstand.

Perceiving his tweets as impolite has everything to do with sensitivity. The only reason you would ever perceive a tweet that holds no insults or attacks as impolite is if you're offended by swearing.

[Drake Ravenwolf]

People really more upset about no-no drawings of fictional characters instead of actual harassment of real people? smh

[UltimateTobi]

Originally posted by BlackHawk:

Originally posted by UltimateTobi:

I reach out an olive branch: OP did minimize the extend of how the character was drawn. And as I stated, yes, the character got spiced up.
However, and you haven't answered this still, does that justify harassment (and potentially death threats if they occurred)? If it was only mild critique, I don't think the developer would've stepped in to condemn harassment (or worse, but I haven't seen receipts for worse).

The third screenshot is also directed at Asmongold. The statement you quoted is tonally completely different to his tweets that are visible in the screenshots. And that is what people have an issue with. Dunno why you can't understand that.

I am still waiting for a link or a screenshot to that polite statement you quoted. His X account is protected, so I can't check. Either way, he started a fire where there was none.

You claimed he was polite, he was not. Has nothing to do with being sensitive or not. If that is politeness to you, then I dunno what to say, I guess we can stop this discussion right then and there.

What has this question got to do with the sound composer's tweets about Asmongold? I don't know what goal-post you're trying to move this conversation onto, but I think you'll have a hard time trying to find someone who's pro-death threats, and all that effort is especially not worth it just so you can have an excuse to argue about something you might actually have a chance coming out of optically intact. I'd like to start talking about why the earth is round instead if this is the case, I'm very good at it.

Apart from defining his stance on "anti-woke," the third screenshot says nothing different or new about asmon than what he said in the first. It's 1 tweet.

Why are you waiting for a link? Are you saying you missed a tweet of his? You seem to be translating my argument from "the screenshots you show are not insulting asmongold" into "there's a secret screenshot of him attacking asmongold that you didn't show," which is immensely impressive, and is once again an example of you avoiding the chance to meaningfully respond to what I am saying.

That statement I quoted is completely aligned with Martin's tweets addressing Asmongold on twitter. Nothing in that quote is misrepresenting the few things he very plainly said. It's very hard to misunderstand.

Perceiving his tweets as impolite has everything to do with sensitivity. The only reason you would ever perceive a tweet that holds no insults or attacks as impolite is if you're offended by swearing.

You accused OP of maliciously distorting the narrative, even though all he did was not using the word "sexualized" or "SA victim". You tried to "correct" him, but for what purpose? Would it have justified the criticism and harassment? All the points he listed were, and are still, valid.

(Besides, from what I could gather, the SA is merely implied and just a fan theory, so she may not even be an SA victim, not that it really matters. It's a fictional character.)

You quoted the composer and you expect me to just believe you. The statement you quoted seems out of character from what we're able to see him tweet, whether or not the content is the same. That is why I requested a link or an image. You are under no obligation to provide it, of course, but I will discard that statement then.

Definition of impolite: "not having or showing good manners; rude."
I'd say his posts qualify. He can say that, sure. But don't claim he's being polite about what he's saying.
I am not even taking issue with how he said what he said. I am taking issue with you claiming that it's, in consequence, innocuous (if you say it isn't impolite) and suggesting the reaction he received is unjustified.

What goes around, comes around.

[BlackHawk]

Originally posted by UltimateTobi:

Originally posted by BlackHawk:

What has this question got to do with the sound composer's tweets about Asmongold? I don't know what goal-post you're trying to move this conversation onto, but I think you'll have a hard time trying to find someone who's pro-death threats, and all that effort is especially not worth it just so you can have an excuse to argue about something you might actually have a chance coming out of optically intact. I'd like to start talking about why the earth is round instead if this is the case, I'm very good at it.

Apart from defining his stance on "anti-woke," the third screenshot says nothing different or new about asmon than what he said in the first. It's 1 tweet.

Why are you waiting for a link? Are you saying you missed a tweet of his? You seem to be translating my argument from "the screenshots you show are not insulting asmongold" into "there's a secret screenshot of him attacking asmongold that you didn't show," which is immensely impressive, and is once again an example of you avoiding the chance to meaningfully respond to what I am saying.

That statement I quoted is completely aligned with Martin's tweets addressing Asmongold on twitter. Nothing in that quote is misrepresenting the few things he very plainly said. It's very hard to misunderstand.

Perceiving his tweets as impolite has everything to do with sensitivity. The only reason you would ever perceive a tweet that holds no insults or attacks as impolite is if you're offended by swearing.

You accused OP of maliciously distorting the narrative, even though all he did was not using the word "sexualized" or "SA victim". You tried to "correct" him, but for what purpose? Would it have justified the criticism and harassment? All the points he listed were, and are still, valid.

(Besides, from what I could gather, the SA is merely implied and just a fan theory, so she may not even be an SA victim, not that it really matters. It's a fictional character.)

You quoted the composer and you expect me to just believe you. The statement you quoted seems out of character from what we're able to see him tweet, whether or not the content is the same. That is why I requested a link or an image. You are under no obligation to provide it, of course, but I will discard that statement then.

Definition of impolite: "not having or showing good manners; rude."
I'd say his posts qualify. He can say that, sure. But don't claim he's being polite about what he's saying.
I am not even taking issue with how he said what he said. I am taking issue with you claiming that it's, in consequence, innocuous (if you say it isn't impolite) and suggesting the reaction he received is unjustified.

What goes around, comes around.

Pretending that people were not mad at the sexualization of a fictional SA character is distorting the narrative. This is not an opinion, this is a fact. Correcting him invalidates that narrative, and provides people the real reason why people criticised the artist.

If the SA is implied within the game, then it is canon, not a fan theory.

I explicitly stated how my quote was summarising his tweets, which I presume you've read in your own screenshots. You're free to explain why, at any time, how my quote was misrepresenting his stance in any way.

"rude
ru:d
adjective
offensively impolite or bad-mannered."

His tweets were not offensive in any way, unless you are, in fact, sensitive. He made no insults or attacks towards Asmon in any way, shape or form. He simply expressed his opinion, and would have moved on with his day if it wasn't for the harrasment from Asmon's community that prompted further responses, and which only ended up proving his point.

[BlackHawk]

Originally posted by Drake Ravenwolf:

People really more upset about no-no drawings of fictional characters instead of actual harassment of real people? smh

These people do not exist. The drama is about Asmon and Martin, at no point did any noticeable group of people dismiss the issue of harassment when it came up (including the devs), but feel free to do your own righteous crusade.

[UltimateTobi]

Originally posted by BlackHawk:

Originally posted by UltimateTobi:

You accused OP of maliciously distorting the narrative, even though all he did was not using the word "sexualized" or "SA victim". You tried to "correct" him, but for what purpose? Would it have justified the criticism and harassment? All the points he listed were, and are still, valid.

(Besides, from what I could gather, the SA is merely implied and just a fan theory, so she may not even be an SA victim, not that it really matters. It's a fictional character.)

You quoted the composer and you expect me to just believe you. The statement you quoted seems out of character from what we're able to see him tweet, whether or not the content is the same. That is why I requested a link or an image. You are under no obligation to provide it, of course, but I will discard that statement then.

Definition of impolite: "not having or showing good manners; rude."
I'd say his posts qualify. He can say that, sure. But don't claim he's being polite about what he's saying.
I am not even taking issue with how he said what he said. I am taking issue with you claiming that it's, in consequence, innocuous (if you say it isn't impolite) and suggesting the reaction he received is unjustified.

What goes around, comes around.

Pretending that people were not mad at the sexualization of a fictional SA character is distorting the narrative. This is not an opinion, this is a fact. Correcting him invalidates that narrative, and provides people the real reason why people criticised the artist.

If the SA is implied within the game, then it is canon, not a fan theory.

I explicitly stated how my quote was summarising his tweets, which I presume you've read in your own screenshots. You're free to explain why, at any time, how my quote was misrepresenting his stance in any way.

"rude
ru:d
adjective
offensively impolite or bad-mannered."

His tweets were not offensive in any way, unless you are, in fact, sensitive. He made no insults or attacks towards Asmon in any way, shape or form. He simply expressed his opinion, and would have moved on with his day if it wasn't for the harrasment from Asmon's community that prompted further responses, and which only ended up proving his point.

You are gaslighting by now.

The artist got harassed. The reason doesn't matter. The rest unfolded as described.

Implied as in, it's circumstantial evidence that does not clearly state that she was SA'd. You can infer it, if you are inclined to do so. Maybe implied was the wrong word, then. It is not clear, is the point. It is, in fact, a fan theory as of now.

"He never insulted or even accused asmongold of anything, he very matter-of-fact stated "My values are completely against yours, Asmongold. I do not want to be associated with you through the game I created.""
You claimed to quote him. You edited your comment, but your original quote is still in my quote-reply. He did not matter-of-factly state what you falsely quoted; a quote that doesn't exist.

Telling someone that he is of the "anti-woke crowd", that it makes him "♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ sick to" his stomach, and that it makes him feel ♥♥♥♥ just because Asmon or his audience would play this game is definitely rude. It's also just another dev who could not keep his opinion to himself and potentially alienated potential customers. Don't pretend to not know that "anti-woke crowd" is equally meant to be insulting as "woke crowd".

Not to mention calling Grummz a failed dev, grifter and a loser. It's not just about Asmon. It's the totality of his correspondence.

So, he threw shade, Asmon and his audience reacted, throwing shade back. But if what the composer said was very much polite, then Asmon and his audience were equally polite.

[tsunshine.chris]

You know what I miss?

Big league chew.

[Mally]

Originally posted by UltimateTobi:

Not to mention calling Grummz a failed dev, grifter and a loser. It's not just about Asmon. It's the totality of his correspondence.

All these descriptions for Grummz are objectively correct. He is a failed dev, he is a grifter, and he is a loser.