So did Anya actually got r... or is it something that the community decided happened?

[💗Blaaashyyy💗]

Maybe I didn't paid attention, or maybe it's because I don't like to imagine stuff and instead I wait for people to tell it straight, so that I'm sure they mean what I think they mean, but it seemed to me like the situation might be, that she might jut spent a night with Jim, got pregnant but he didn't wanted her, and that's why she was upset instead of straight up r situation (and he might not have known about the child either and she was afraid to tell him). But again, I might not have been paying attention at the right time. At which moment it's made clear, that this is what happened?

[💗Blaaashyyy💗]

Originally posted by ɘ̶̲̲г̶̶̳г̶0̶̶͆г:

okay but, think with me, wouldn't it make more sense to Jim crash the ship because of a r*pe than just because of "him becoming a father" and his responsability issues? Because you know, what he did (crashing the ship, literally almost killing everyone) was too extreme for it not being about the possible r*pe, at least for me... also it makes sense to say r*pists are agressive just like Jimmy right?, not saying every person who is agressive is a r*pist but yeah I think you get what I mean, also lets not forget that he literally told Anya to kill herself... like you cant say people dont have valid reasons to call him a r*pist

He crashed the ship for multiple reasons, at least two, both boil down to running from responsibility with Anya (whatever happened), plus envy of Curly, his life, hopes and dreams going down the drain, etc.

[err0Rx_X]

Originally posted by Blash:

Originally posted by ɘ̶̲̲г̶̶̳г̶0̶̶͆г:

okay but, think with me, wouldn't it make more sense to Jim crash the ship because of a r*pe than just because of "him becoming a father" and his responsability issues? Because you know, what he did (crashing the ship, literally almost killing everyone) was too extreme for it not being about the possible r*pe, at least for me... also it makes sense to say r*pists are agressive just like Jimmy right?, not saying every person who is agressive is a r*pist but yeah I think you get what I mean, also lets not forget that he literally told Anya to kill herself... like you cant say people dont have valid reasons to call him a r*pist

He crashed the ship for multiple reasons, at least two, both boil down to running from responsibility with Anya (whatever happened), plus envy of Curly, his life, hopes and dreams going down the drain, etc.

but why wouldn't the possible r*pe be the MAIN reason for him doing that? It just doesn't make sense to me

[CrabNicholson]

Originally posted by ɘ̶̲̲г̶̶̳г̶0̶̶͆г:

Originally posted by Blash:

He crashed the ship for multiple reasons, at least two, both boil down to running from responsibility with Anya (whatever happened), plus envy of Curly, his life, hopes and dreams going down the drain, etc.

but why wouldn't the possible r*pe be the MAIN reason for him doing that? It just doesn't make sense to me

Jimmy is revealed in his dialogue with Curly to hate his old life on Earth, and that he's running from his past, which is why he's on the ship. Losing his job isn't just about Jimmy's failed ambitions, it's also about having to return to his failed old life.

You can see exactly what Jimmy is thinking about when he crashes the ship, during the following insanity sequence. He sees posters of Polle multiplying everywhere giving their annoying workplace reminders, and the Polle animatronic blocks his path. Then he falls into a lake and is surrounded by broken ladders. These symbols all have to do with his work, not Anya.

The insanity sequences depict the demons haunting Jimmy's psyche. We never in the entire game see any violence against women depicted in the insanity sequences, not even symbolically or implied. The only victim of violence (besides the struggle with Swansea) is Curly, and Curly's, once a gain, a symbol of Jimmy's failed ambitions to be captain. The whole story revolves around Jimmy's failure to become captain, not a rape.

[err0Rx_X]

Originally posted by CrabNicholson:

Originally posted by ɘ̶̲̲г̶̶̳г̶0̶̶͆г:

but why wouldn't the possible r*pe be the MAIN reason for him doing that? It just doesn't make sense to me

Jimmy is revealed in his dialogue with Curly to hate his old life on Earth, and that he's running from his past, which is why he's on the ship. Losing his job isn't just about Jimmy's failed ambitions, it's also about having to return to his failed old life.

You can see exactly what Jimmy is thinking about when he crashes the ship, during the following insanity sequence. He sees posters of Polle multiplying everywhere giving their annoying workplace reminders, and the Polle animatronic blocks his path. Then he falls into a lake and is surrounded by broken ladders. These symbols all have to do with his work, not Anya.

The insanity sequences depict the demons haunting Jimmy's psyche. We never in the entire game see any violence against women depicted in the insanity sequences, not even symbolically or implied. The only victim of violence (besides the struggle with Swansea) is Curly, and Curly's, once a gain, a symbol of Jimmy's failed ambitions to be captain. The whole story revolves around Jimmy's failure to become captain, not a rape.

sigh... look, you cant talk about Jimmy like hes always respected Anya in the game, like the entire GAME show us that Jimmy is the actual monster, that he is the actual ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥. and even if we dont see him beating Anya or smth like that, the game clearly shows that Jimmy was the most mentally ♥♥♥♥♥♥ character of the group and that the he was, in fact, agressive and toxic as f, but people like you still try to defend him in someway and honestly its so ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ disgusting, like yeah, I can see a r*pist telling their victims to kill themselves <3 because he himself said it to ANYA, and Anya didn't even did anything to this son of a bit, also pls his mental problems doesn't justify almost killing everyone who were in the ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ ship, if he was capable of doing these things you really dont think he would be capable of r*ping Anya? Are you ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ serious rn?

[CrabNicholson]

Originally posted by ɘ̶̲̲г̶̶̳г̶0̶̶͆г:

Originally posted by CrabNicholson:

Jimmy is revealed in his dialogue with Curly to hate his old life on Earth, and that he's running from his past, which is why he's on the ship. Losing his job isn't just about Jimmy's failed ambitions, it's also about having to return to his failed old life.

You can see exactly what Jimmy is thinking about when he crashes the ship, during the following insanity sequence. He sees posters of Polle multiplying everywhere giving their annoying workplace reminders, and the Polle animatronic blocks his path. Then he falls into a lake and is surrounded by broken ladders. These symbols all have to do with his work, not Anya.

The insanity sequences depict the demons haunting Jimmy's psyche. We never in the entire game see any violence against women depicted in the insanity sequences, not even symbolically or implied. The only victim of violence (besides the struggle with Swansea) is Curly, and Curly's, once a gain, a symbol of Jimmy's failed ambitions to be captain. The whole story revolves around Jimmy's failure to become captain, not a rape.

sigh... look, you cant talk about Jimmy like hes always respected Anya in the game, like the entire GAME show us that Jimmy is the actual monster, that he is the actual ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥. and even if we dont see him beating Anya or smth like that, the game clearly shows that Jimmy was the most mentally ♥♥♥♥♥♥ character of the group and that the he was, in fact, agressive and toxic as f, but people like you still try to defend him in someway and honestly its so ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ disgusting, like yeah, I can see a r*pist telling their victims to kill themselves <3 because he himself said it to ANYA, and Anya didn't even did anything to this son of a bit, also pls his mental problems doesn't justify almost killing everyone who were in the ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ ship, if he was capable of doing these things you really dont think he would be capable of r*ping Anya? Are you ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ serious rn?

If being rude and aggressive means someone is a rapist then are you confessing something with this post?

[💗Blaaashyyy💗]

lol another unhinged dude from Brazil lol. What is happening there???

[err0Rx_X]

Originally posted by Blash:

lol another unhinged dude from Brazil lol. What is happening there???

whats the problem of being brazilian? lol

[err0Rx_X]

Originally posted by CrabNicholson:

Originally posted by ɘ̶̲̲г̶̶̳г̶0̶̶͆г:

sigh... look, you cant talk about Jimmy like hes always respected Anya in the game, like the entire GAME show us that Jimmy is the actual monster, that he is the actual ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥. and even if we dont see him beating Anya or smth like that, the game clearly shows that Jimmy was the most mentally ♥♥♥♥♥♥ character of the group and that the he was, in fact, agressive and toxic as f, but people like you still try to defend him in someway and honestly its so ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ disgusting, like yeah, I can see a r*pist telling their victims to kill themselves <3 because he himself said it to ANYA, and Anya didn't even did anything to this son of a bit, also pls his mental problems doesn't justify almost killing everyone who were in the ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ ship, if he was capable of doing these things you really dont think he would be capable of r*ping Anya? Are you ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ serious rn?

If being rude and aggressive means someone is a rapist then are you confessing something with this post?

LMAOOOOO your ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ ridiculous

[err0Rx_X]

Originally posted by CrabNicholson:

Originally posted by ɘ̶̲̲г̶̶̳г̶0̶̶͆г:

sigh... look, you cant talk about Jimmy like hes always respected Anya in the game, like the entire GAME show us that Jimmy is the actual monster, that he is the actual ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥. and even if we dont see him beating Anya or smth like that, the game clearly shows that Jimmy was the most mentally ♥♥♥♥♥♥ character of the group and that the he was, in fact, agressive and toxic as f, but people like you still try to defend him in someway and honestly its so ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ disgusting, like yeah, I can see a r*pist telling their victims to kill themselves <3 because he himself said it to ANYA, and Anya didn't even did anything to this son of a bit, also pls his mental problems doesn't justify almost killing everyone who were in the ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ ship, if he was capable of doing these things you really dont think he would be capable of r*ping Anya? Are you ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ serious rn?

If being rude and aggressive means someone is a rapist then are you confessing something with this post?

This is your only argument now? XDD but anyways keep defending a r*pist cause your the one whos being sus here

[💗Blaaashyyy💗]

Originally posted by ɘ̶̲̲г̶̶̳г̶0̶̶͆г:

Originally posted by Blash:

lol another unhinged dude from Brazil lol. What is happening there???

whats the problem of being brazilian? lol

Idk, you tell me. All the unhinged people like you in this topic so far were from Brazil.

[Conflict1914]

Originally posted by CrabNicholson:

Originally posted by ɘ̶̲̲г̶̶̳г̶0̶̶͆г:

but why wouldn't the possible r*pe be the MAIN reason for him doing that? It just doesn't make sense to me

Jimmy is revealed in his dialogue with Curly to hate his old life on Earth, and that he's running from his past, which is why he's on the ship. Losing his job isn't just about Jimmy's failed ambitions, it's also about having to return to his failed old life.

You can see exactly what Jimmy is thinking about when he crashes the ship, during the following insanity sequence. He sees posters of Polle multiplying everywhere giving their annoying workplace reminders, and the Polle animatronic blocks his path. Then he falls into a lake and is surrounded by broken ladders. These symbols all have to do with his work, not Anya.

The insanity sequences depict the demons haunting Jimmy's psyche. We never in the entire game see any violence against women depicted in the insanity sequences, not even symbolically or implied. The only victim of violence (besides the struggle with Swansea) is Curly, and Curly's, once a gain, a symbol of Jimmy's failed ambitions to be captain. The whole story revolves around Jimmy's failure to become captain, not a rape.

Okay but the section where he falls into a lake filled with broken ladders is when you're playing as Curly, not Jimmy. That's the section right before he does Jimmy's psych eval. The opening transitions from the Polle statue jumpscare directly to 2 months after the crash, with everyone sat around the table.
The reason Anya doesn't factor into his delusions is because he doesn't care about her. That's why everyone else gets an elaborate death sequence but Anya dies off screen, why in the sequence with everyone's ID cards hers is blank, because he doesn't care about her existence. The polle statue at the end even implicitly calls him out on it, asking why in the middle of his monologue about being sorry about everything he's only talking about Curly and nobody else. It goes right into Jimmy quoting something Anya said, to Polle saying "If all of that is true, why are you still so concerned with *him*".
If all he did to her was not wear a condom, and otherwise he did the same amount to her as with Daisuke and Swansea, why bring attention to her, right at the end? A lot of stress is put on that line, the scene even ends on it. It's implying that he's not taking responsibility for something else he did.

Also why would it need to be "violence against women?" Jimmy isn't a physical guy, I don't think anybody subscribing to this narrative thinks he pinned her down or something like that. He does spike a mocktail in the narrative after all.

[CrabNicholson]

Originally posted by Conflict1914:

Okay but the section where he falls into a lake filled with broken ladders is when you're playing as Curly, not Jimmy. That's the section right before he does Jimmy's psych eval. The opening transitions from the Polle statue jumpscare directly to 2 months after the crash, with everyone sat around the table.

I just rewatched these scenes. The broken ladders happen later, I was mistaken about that, though it does still seem to be Jimmy, only it is cut to deceive the user into thinking it's Curly. If it was Curly that would make it the only insanity sequence Curly has all game. Either way - in the insanity sequence directly after the crash, it's all workplace-related stress that Jimmy has on his mind.

The reason Anya doesn't factor into his delusions is because he doesn't care about her. That's why everyone else gets an elaborate death sequence but Anya dies off screen, why in the sequence with everyone's ID cards hers is blank, because he doesn't care about her existence. The polle statue at the end even implicitly calls him out on it, asking why in the middle of his monologue about being sorry about everything he's only talking about Curly and nobody else. It goes right into Jimmy quoting something Anya said, to Polle saying "If all of that is true, why are you still so concerned with *him*".

As I said before, Anya is represented as Polle in the nightmare segments. He sees her as a massive responsibility, hence she's represented by the workplace mascot. He even has an insanity sequence over the foetus after Anya dies, this is after talking to Polle and Polle has Anya's voice. Jimmy is never driven by the motivation to dominate or possess Anya, in fact it's the opposite, he tries to avoid her and dismiss her, and she's represented abstractly as an oppressive force that is always following him, blocking his path. Jimmy wants to get away from Anya, she's too big of a responsibility for him, he avoids thinking about her, and when he does, it causes him massive anxiety to the point where her presence is nightmarish to him.

If the game is about Jimmy's guilt and failures, then why wouldn't he have any insanity sequence involving his guilt over rape? The whole point of the game is that Jimmy is tortured by his failures, you spend like half the game wandering around in his mindscape, but he's always running away from the horse and hiding from it.

If all he did to her was not wear a condom, and otherwise he did the same amount to her as with Daisuke and Swansea, why bring attention to her, right at the end? A lot of stress is put on that line, the scene even ends on it. It's implying that he's not taking responsibility for something else he did.

It's about the foetus, he is reflecting for the first time on having lost his child. The segment immediately after this you do an ultrasound for the horse baby. It's not guilt over rape, it's guilt over loss of a child.

Also why would it need to be "violence against women?" Jimmy isn't a physical guy, I don't think anybody subscribing to this narrative thinks he pinned her down or something like that. He does spike a mocktail in the narrative after all.

Spiking a mocktail the way Jimmy does shows how utterly stupid and incompetent he is, it doesn't show he's a master chemist. He doesn't synthesize a roofie, he literally uses rubbing alcohol. Rubbing alcohol is poisonous and bitter and nobody would drink it except a drunk like Swansea. Jimmy is either completely oblivious to the fact that it's poisonous, or he is pretending to be, because his dialogue seems to indicate he thinks that rubbing alcohol will get Swansea drunk faster, when in actuality rubbing alcohol is highly poisonous. Any normal person would either taste the bitterness and spit it out, or suffer severe vomitting and vomit it out, or suffer a severe toxic effect. It only works on Swansea because Swansea is already barely conscious to begin with due to his alcoholism.

[CrabNicholson]

Originally posted by ɘ̶̲̲г̶̶̳г̶0̶̶͆г:

Originally posted by CrabNicholson:

If being rude and aggressive means someone is a rapist then are you confessing something with this post?

This is your only argument now? XDD but anyways keep defending a r*pist cause your the one whos being sus here

As a thought experiment, can anyone disprove the theory that Jimmy is a bank robber?

Anya can see the missing pixel: this represents how Anya has noticing all the jewelry that has gone missing from the crew quarters.

The crew ask Jimmy to break into the cargo hold. Why Jimmy? Because they know he is a master burglar.

After Anya gets pregnant and expresses her worry about Jimmy's response, she expresses the need for increased security (keeping the gun away from him, and having a lock on her door). Could this be because she sees the stress Jimmy is under and worries he'll flip out... or could it be because he's been stealing her jewelry from her room? Perhaps Anya has to keep all her jewelry in medbay so Jimmy doesn't get it.

The monster horse segment in the cargo hold represents Jimmy hiding from the authorities after robbing a bank.

The sequence where Jimmy crawl through the vents represents his memories of sneaking into bank vaults through the vents.

Jimmy is an aggressive ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥. Bankrobbers are usually aggressive ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥. He fits the character mold. There's no reason to defend a monster like Jimmy, he's definitely guilty of being a bank robber because he's such a bad guy.

Jimmy never confesses or expresses his guilt over robbing people because he is so evil he feels no guilt over his heists.

The game doesn't need to delve into this because it's meant to be subtle.

We live in a bank robbery culture, thousands of banks are robbed every day and if you don't see it it's because you're part of the problem.

[xHans]

Lol someone asks a question challenging the legitimacy of that #me2 grape allegations and some people goes nuts over it.

[💗Blaaashyyy💗]

Originally posted by xHans:

Lol someone asks a question challenging the legitimacy of that #me2 grape allegations and some people goes nuts over it.

Only a few though. I am very happy that most people could contain their emotions and actually discuss the topic.