So did Anya actually got r... or is it something that the community decided happened?

[💗Blaaashyyy💗]

Maybe I didn't paid attention, or maybe it's because I don't like to imagine stuff and instead I wait for people to tell it straight, so that I'm sure they mean what I think they mean, but it seemed to me like the situation might be, that she might jut spent a night with Jim, got pregnant but he didn't wanted her, and that's why she was upset instead of straight up r situation (and he might not have known about the child either and she was afraid to tell him). But again, I might not have been paying attention at the right time. At which moment it's made clear, that this is what happened?

[Kain]

Originally posted by Hel Spites:

You'd have to be unbelievably dense to not get that yeah, he absolutely raped her. It's the entire reason he crashed the ship. It's why Anya asks curly why they don't have locks on their bedroom doors. It's why she hid the gun. It's why after the crash, Anya's sleeping bag is next to the polle statue, you know, the one that has a motion sensor in it and makes a very loud noise whenever someone walks by close to it.

I honestly don't understand how empty headed you'd have to be to not be able to put two and two together.

Because the game is open ended about it, and the arguments that point to Jimmy being a rapist can be mostly the same to point him as just a violent man that doesn't take responsibility.

I'm inclined to believe he is a rapist, but there is absolutely no proof and I can only theorize about it.

[Solkin]

Originally posted by Hel Spites:

You'd have to be unbelievably dense to not get that yeah, he absolutely raped her. It's the entire reason he crashed the ship. It's why Anya asks curly why they don't have locks on their bedroom doors. It's why she hid the gun. It's why after the crash, Anya's sleeping bag is next to the polle statue, you know, the one that has a motion sensor in it and makes a very loud noise whenever someone walks by close to it.

I honestly don't understand how empty headed you'd have to be to not be able to put two and two together.

Lots of people didn't get it because (imo) the story flood the player with unnessary imagery and game sequence (so you don't reaaly know what to add), goes back and forth between timeline (that alone can lose way more people that your condescending mind can seem to conceive), because without the dub and thus without tone some people won't grasp how people feel (usually people who doesn't read that much, yes those kind of people can exist and aren't dense because of that), because you can read a line as your dog jump onto your legs and miss it completly (happened to me), you can completly miss the location of the bed ... and i think i could go on a bit.

i hope sometimes we'll get an horror game based on a condescending character dragged to hell.

[Kain]

Originally posted by Solkin:

because without the dub and thus without tone some people won't grasp how people feel (usually people who doesn't read that much, yes those kind of people can exist and aren't dense because of that)


i hope sometimes we'll get an horror game based on a condescending character dragged to hell.

Don't know, seems to me you would be the protagonist of such a game with this way of thinking.

Like, who are these people, can you point to a specific person and provide actual evidence that such person doesn't read?

[Solkin]

hmmm, didn't want to use "usually" that way, sorry english is not my first language : all i say is speculation, i can imagine people not grasping the correct tone of what they read, and speculate that the more you read the better you are at it, i wasn't mocking people who don't read.
this game has characters without tone and emotionless visages, it doesn't help grasping the tone.
and for the back and forth timeline, me and my dad are terrible as soon as it is used in a story ........

[Hel Spites]

Originally posted by Solkin:

Lots of people didn't get it because (imo) the story flood the player with unnessary imagery and game sequence (so you don't reaaly know what to add) goes back and forth between timeline (that alone can lose way more people that your condescending mind can seem to conceive), because without the dub and thus without tone some people won't grasp how people feel (usually people who doesn't read that much, yes those kind of people can exist and aren't dense because of that), because you can read a line as your dog jump onto your legs and miss it completly (happened to me), you can completly miss the location of the bed ... and i think i could go on a bit.

i hope sometimes we'll get an horror game based on a condescending character dragged to hell.

♥♥♥♥ it, I'll bite. What unnecessary imagery did the game throw at the player? As far as I saw, most things had a point and most of it was pretty blunt. There were a couple very minor parts that had me scratching my head, mainly just the bit about atomic power and the dancing skeleton on the TV, but considering how tight the writing is for the rest of the game I'm more willing to believe that I just missed what that was about rather than it being unnecessary

The timeline jumping is also really straightforward. It never tries to obfuscate when you are in the story. Every jump tells you exactly where you are. It's either before the crash, after the crash or the hours before jimmy kills himself. The only part that I can see might confuse someone is when the game suddenly cuts to daisuke dying, but that scene lasts all of a few seconds and then you jump right back to see how he died. This isn't exactly a piece of media where you're going to be left wondering "When am I?"

If you can't pick up on tone through the text then man, I can't help you with that. Either that's an ESL thing (and I get it, english is my second language too and I live with people who struggle to speak it well), in which case, try playing the game in your native language, or, alternately, you school system failed you. Neither of those is a problem with the game or its writing.

Your dog distracting you is not a fault of the game's writing and you really shouldn't be using that as an argument. I mean by that logic I can watch a movie and then say it looks like ♥♥♥♥ because dust got in my eye so I watched the entire movie with my eyes closed. It's not exactly a rational argument against the thing is it?

You know, the funny thing is that you don't need to have picked up on the detail about the bed, or even the conversation about the door locks to get that Jimmy's a rapist. The only scene you need is the one where curly was looking for the gun that Anya hid. Anya's reaction combined with curly's conversation with Jimmy tells you everything you need to know. Normal people don't hear that someone's pregnant and then say "What's she going to say when we get back? What's going to happen to me? What if we ran this space truck right off the road, wouldn't that be better?"

That all being said, hey you find me condescending enough to think I should go to hell because I called people who missed the very obvious point of the not-at-all subtle game dense? That's a totally normal reaction. You sound like a normal, well adjusted person.

[💗Blaaashyyy💗]

A lot of people in this topic with strong confirmation bias who argue with people who give the only correct answer which is "we might think or even believe that this or that happened, but WE DON'T KNOW and the game is purposefully written without an answer, so both scenarios are true and false at the same time. Shrodinger's rape".

[Kain]

Originally posted by Blash:

A lot of people in this topic with strong confirmation bias who argue with people who give the only correct answer which is "we might think or even believe that this or that happened, but WE DON'T KNOW and the game is purposefully written without an answer, so both scenarios are true and false at the same time. Shrodinger's rape".

loool, Shrodinger's Rape is the best analogy in a while

[Yuh]

Like I said before, it is really quite clear in every single way, but at the same exact time: yes it was purposefully written in a way that it will never be directly answered. It is for multiple reasons. (good) Psychological horror games are made solely to encourage discussions such as these. In this game's case specifically however, it is for the purpose of keeping every character relatable. (ESPECIALLY Jimicide! Please remember that the writer specifically said he is meant to be relatable and well... we all hopefully don't relate with... THAT)

I have seen many people mention that their opinion of Curly and Swansea would be tainted completely if the game had just outright stated that they "knew" and did nothing. Nobody would feel sorry for Curly and Swansea, some would even blame Anya! If it was ever 200% blatant at any point in development I suspect playtesters quickly pointed this out and then the writers corrected this.

[Hel Spites]

Originally posted by Blash:

A lot of people in this topic with strong confirmation bias who argue with people who give the only correct answer which is "we might think or even believe that this or that happened, but WE DON'T KNOW and the game is purposefully written without an answer, so both scenarios are true and false at the same time. Shrodinger's rape".

It's never explicitly stated but considering the entire story is built around it, it's as close to explicit as it possibly can be without the game cutting to footage of the writer saying "Yes, Jimmy raped Anya. That is exactly what happened."

Imagine approaching any other piece of media with this sort of skepticism towards its events. Like, imagine reading "To kill a mockingbird" and saying "Well, it's never explicitly said that Tom Robinson is innocent. We just have his testimony. He might have actually raped Mayella." Like, okay, sure it's never explicitly stated in the story's narration, but his innocence and how he's treated despite it is one of the book's big themes that the book explores. In order for the story to function and for its content to matter he has to be innocent, just like how for mouthwashing's story to work, for it's themes and its imagery to matter, Jimmy can't be innocent.

[💗Blaaashyyy💗]

Literally proving what I just said, amazing.

[Yuh]

Remember the part where I implied it is a heavily subjective experience? There are multiple people in this thread that argue that the game's story does NOT work in their opinion, if they were to automatically accept the "theory" as fact. (not to mention the literal writer of the game directly implied the opposite: that admitting what Jimannji did would entirely defeat the purpose of the game, as I mentioned before: RELATE-ABLE RAPIST??? WHAT???)

I didn't think so at first, but it was admittedly quite close-minded of myself to discount all those previous posters. Yknow, what with the writer literally admitting that Jimbles is supposed to be a self-insert, and that you are supposed to feel bad for him as well as the rest of the crew. (The point is that they are enablers, and that we should be able to see ourselves making the same choices they did. The why doesn't even matter!... Sorry Anya...) Idk about u guys, but I don't identify as Jimexual assault!

I see now that the point isn't even about *that*, but more about the underlying nepotism and how it clouds leadership's judgement. (If it was truly CLEAR what happened, then it would cloud judgement of Curly, Swansea, and Jimbuktu for too many people. It would distract most people from the important underlying themes, with players being unable to see themselves in the game's situation. Which would've been a MAJOR failure.)

[err0Rx_X]

Originally posted by Blash:

Ah yes, the non existing evidence. Also it's you're*.

keep defending a r*pist then YOUR a shame

[err0Rx_X]

Originally posted by Kain:

Originally posted by Hel Spites:

You'd have to be unbelievably dense to not get that yeah, he absolutely raped her. It's the entire reason he crashed the ship. It's why Anya asks curly why they don't have locks on their bedroom doors. It's why she hid the gun. It's why after the crash, Anya's sleeping bag is next to the polle statue, you know, the one that has a motion sensor in it and makes a very loud noise whenever someone walks by close to it.

I honestly don't understand how empty headed you'd have to be to not be able to put two and two together.

Because the game is open ended about it, and the arguments that point to Jimmy being a rapist can be mostly the same to point him as just a violent man that doesn't take responsibility.

I'm inclined to believe he is a rapist, but there is absolutely no proof and I can only theorize about it.

there IS proof that he is a r*pist, jesus 😭 is not that hard to understand that, and its so disgusting seeing people saying he ins't and trying to fock1ng sympathize with him like why you would sympathize with a R*PIST are you crazy or smth?

[err0Rx_X]

"no but Jimmy acts like normal person" most r*pists know that they have to act "normal" (if you know what I mean) so they can convince the people around them they are trustful and then you know what happens next... this is what Jimmy did to Curly

[err0Rx_X]

No wonder most SAs happens inside the houses and from "trustful" people, even parents SA their childs