Curly is not an accomplice

[蜂蜜烤苹果]

Well…I don't think Curly is Jimmy's accomplice. Have you ever thought about this question: if Jimmy were put into hibernation or tied up, who would fly the spaceship? There are still 8 months of sailing time left. It is obviously not enough to rely on Curly and autopilot function alone. If that's all it takes to fly a spaceship, then such a stingy company obviously won't hire two pilots on spaceship. The posters on the spacecraft remind people not to rest for more than 5 hours, which shows also that they have a lot of work to do every day.

Secondly, someone mentioned why Curly didn't give his gun to Anya to let her protect herself. Please note, that this gun is to prevent riots, and in principle only the captain is allowed to use it. Putting guns with crew members is a potential dangerous thing for the whole ship. I believe that no captain in reality world would allow crew members to keep the gun. Curly allowed Anya to hide it and did not pursue the matter nor search the entire ship or force her to hand it over, He acquiesced in Anya's actions, this shows that he is actually on Anya's side.

In addition, some people were dissatisfied with the conversation between Curly and Jimmy outside the cockpit before the accident. People are dissatisfied as to why Curly didn't kill or even warn Jimmy. But I think it's totally reasonable. When Curly learned that Anya had told Jimmy about this, he said, "You should have waited for me", "Did he seem angry?", "Where did he go?" This shows that this is obviously not a good time or even a good way to talk to Jimmy about this. Especially after losing his job, Jimmy doesn't seem to be suitable for another blow, so Curly hopes to solve the problem in a peaceful way. Curly was obviously worried that Jimmy would get angry and might do something impulsive later. After all, they still have to stay on the spacecraft for 8 months, so he need to reduce conflicts as much as possible. And in the case of Anya, Curly hopes Jimmy can take responsibility. Jimmy also said to him, "I'll take care of it." From the player's perspective we know what happened next, but from Curly's perspective, Jimmy seemed calm and promised to deal with the matter.

As for some people saying that if Swansea was the captain, he would just shoot Jimmy, this is even more ridiculous. After the accident, from Anya's conversation with Swansea in the spaceship cockpit, we can infer that she maybe mentioned this to Swansea(Swansea started to take the axe, he realized that Jimmy was not a good person ). But he didn't do anything, he didn't kill or even warn Jimmy about it. When you're spending time with other people day and night, and you can not going anywhere, reducing conflict is a wise choice. No one wants to see a dead body on a spaceship. Don’t be a brainless murderer.

Also, if Curly was indeed an accomplice, would Anya have chosen to stay by his bedside during her final moments? Just because it's a locked room? The cockpit of the spaceship also has a lock, and Swansea and Daisuke can guarantee her safety, but she didn't choose to stay with them. Would a person really want to decide to suicide next to someone they hate? I think it's just the opposite. Even Curly like this can still give her a sense of security. This indicates that Curly is a trustworthy person on the spacecraft who genuinely tried to protect her, even if he ultimately failed, he is also her last spiritual support. This failure doesn’t imply he was defending or hiding wrongdoing for Jimmy.

[Melancholy Hill]

he found out jimmy was so dangerous anya felt she needed a weapon and his response was to agree to jimmy's idea to crash the ship and kill everybody.

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Originally posted by 蜂蜜烤苹果:

This shows that this is obviously not a good time or even a good way to talk to Jimmy about this. Especially after losing his job, Jimmy doesn't seem to be suitable for another blow, so Curly hopes to solve the problem in a peaceful way.

my bad jimmy was upset i guess holding him accountable would've been a bad idea actually.

[蜂蜜烤苹果]

Originally posted by Scylla:

he found out jimmy was so dangerous anya felt she needed a weapon and his response was to agree to jimmy's idea to crash the ship and kill everybody.

are you serious?

[ВЛ]

Originally posted by Scylla:

he found out jimmy was so dangerous anya felt she needed a weapon and his response was to agree to jimmy's idea to crash the ship and kill everybody.

EDIT:

Originally posted by 蜂蜜烤苹果:

This shows that this is obviously not a good time or even a good way to talk to Jimmy about this. Especially after losing his job, Jimmy doesn't seem to be suitable for another blow, so Curly hopes to solve the problem in a peaceful way.

my bad jimmy was upset i guess holding him accountable would've been a bad idea actually.

What? He had no idea and was wounded after entering the cockpit right before the crush.

[Melancholy Hill]

Originally posted by ВЛ:

Originally posted by Scylla:

he found out jimmy was so dangerous anya felt she needed a weapon and his response was to agree to jimmy's idea to crash the ship and kill everybody.

EDIT:

my bad jimmy was upset i guess holding him accountable would've been a bad idea actually.

What? He had no idea and was wounded after entering the cockpit right before the crush.

jimmy more or less tells him to his face exactly what he intends to do, curly makes no attempt to stop him or talk him out of it, and even agrees with jimmy when he asks curly if he understands. he may have regretted it immediately after (conveniently after it was too late to do anything about it) but he still deliberately allowed it to happen.

[ВЛ]

Originally posted by Scylla:

Originally posted by ВЛ:

What? He had no idea and was wounded after entering the cockpit right before the crush.

jimmy more or less tells him to his face exactly what he intends to do, curly makes no attempt to stop him or talk him out of it, and even agrees with jimmy when he asks curly if he understands. he may have regretted it immediately after (conveniently after it was too late to do anything about it) but he still deliberately allowed it to happen.

There's no implications for that

[Melancholy Hill]

Originally posted by ВЛ:

Originally posted by Scylla:

jimmy more or less tells him to his face exactly what he intends to do, curly makes no attempt to stop him or talk him out of it, and even agrees with jimmy when he asks curly if he understands. he may have regretted it immediately after (conveniently after it was too late to do anything about it) but he still deliberately allowed it to happen.

There's no implications for that

i'm just describing a conversation that happens in the game? there's no ambiguity to it, that's just how their conversation goes before jimmy crashes the ship.

[ВЛ]

Originally posted by Scylla:

Originally posted by ВЛ:

What? He had no idea and was wounded after entering the cockpit right before the crush.

jimmy more or less tells him to his face exactly what he intends to do, curly makes no attempt to stop him or talk him out of it, and even agrees with jimmy when he asks curly if he understands. he may have regretted it immediately after (conveniently after it was too late to do anything about it) but he still deliberately allowed it to happen.

On the other hand, you are right, I replayed that part and Curly is clearly in on it untill the last moment

[Schedule 1 hater]

Did you all miss the scene of him trying to stop the crash and is why he is in his state after the crash :O

[Tellem]

Originally posted by Scylla:

Originally posted by ВЛ:

There's no implications for that

i'm just describing a conversation that happens in the game? there's no ambiguity to it, that's just how their conversation goes before jimmy crashes the ship.

Jimmy blames Curly for failing as a Captain. Jimmy tells Curly that everyone will think he is a failure as a captain for failing to protect his crew. Then Jimmy gives Curly and alternate scenario, "a tragedy" where everyone on the Tulpar dies. Jimmy then says "you are standing at the top, feet in cement. I get it now. Right?" Curly responds with "right".

Curly does not clearly agree to the crashing of the plane. I would argue their is a large amount of ambiguity to it in that moment. Curly could have been agreeing to having feet in cement. He could have been agreeing to his feet in cement as Captain. He could be agreeing to the fact that he has failed his crew (and in his eyes, probably Jimmy) by letting this occur. He could be agreeing that things have gotten so complicated, it would be easier if the ship crashed but not actually agreeing to the act of crashing the ship. Or you could be right and he is agreeing to crashing the ship. My point is, it can't be said for sure what he was agreeing to, especially since both Curly and Jimmy are unreliable narrators (curly the better of the two) and it isn't exactly clear who is narrating at this point in the story.

Curly is no doubt stunned that his friend has done something horrible, and worse he was complicit as captain and Jimmy's friend. I do not think Curly ever actively aids Jimmy in his act apart from enabling Jimmy (but you might have a different interpretation).

[蜂蜜烤苹果]

Originally posted by Scylla:

Originally posted by ВЛ:

What? He had no idea and was wounded after entering the cockpit right before the crush.

jimmy more or less tells him to his face exactly what he intends to do, curly makes no attempt to stop him or talk him out of it, and even agrees with jimmy when he asks curly if he understands. he may have regretted it immediately after (conveniently after it was too late to do anything about it) but he still deliberately allowed it to happen.

How could he possibly agree with Jimmy's behavior? Curly obviously didn't think Jimmy was going to crash the spacecraft, nor did he approve of such behavior. Otherwise, he wouldn't have rushed into the cockpit to stop it when the accident happened. And he wouldn't be shocked and ask Jimmy "Jim tell me you didn't…What the fk did you do?"

In addition, judging from the game developers' completely different attitudes towards Curly and Jimmy, they obviously did not want to portray Curly as a bad guy.

[Melancholy Hill]

Originally posted by 蜂蜜烤苹果:

Originally posted by Scylla:

jimmy more or less tells him to his face exactly what he intends to do, curly makes no attempt to stop him or talk him out of it, and even agrees with jimmy when he asks curly if he understands. he may have regretted it immediately after (conveniently after it was too late to do anything about it) but he still deliberately allowed it to happen.

How could he possibly agree with Jimmy's behavior? Curly obviously didn't think Jimmy was going to crash the spacecraft, nor did he approve of such behavior. Otherwise, he wouldn't have rushed into the cockpit to stop it when the accident happened. And he wouldn't be shocked and ask Jimmy "Jim tell me you didn't…What the fk did you do?"

In addition, judging from the game developers' completely different attitudes towards Curly and Jimmy, they obviously did not want to portray Curly as a bad guy.

"Or this can all be remembered as a tragedy. Despite what must have been the best efforts of its acclaimed captain. The Tulpar crew was never found. No one survived to tell the tale."

curly would have to be particularly dense to not understand what jimmy is implying here, but luckily for him we know he did understand, because again when jimmy asks him if he did he responds affirmatively. like i said he may have immediately regretted it after it was done, but he still knowingly allowed it to happen.

[蜂蜜烤苹果]

Originally posted by Scylla:

Originally posted by 蜂蜜烤苹果:

How could he possibly agree with Jimmy's behavior? Curly obviously didn't think Jimmy was going to crash the spacecraft, nor did he approve of such behavior. Otherwise, he wouldn't have rushed into the cockpit to stop it when the accident happened. And he wouldn't be shocked and ask Jimmy "Jim tell me you didn't…What the fk did you do?"

In addition, judging from the game developers' completely different attitudes towards Curly and Jimmy, they obviously did not want to portray Curly as a bad guy.

"Or this can all be remembered as a tragedy. Despite what must have been the best efforts of its acclaimed captain. The Tulpar crew was never found. No one survived to tell the tale."

curly would have to be particularly dense to not understand what jimmy is implying here, but luckily for him we know he did understand, because again when jimmy asks him if he did he responds affirmatively. like i said he may have immediately regretted it after it was done, but he still knowingly allowed it to happen.

Originally posted by Scylla:

Originally posted by 蜂蜜烤苹果:

How could he possibly agree with Jimmy's behavior? Curly obviously didn't think Jimmy was going to crash the spacecraft, nor did he approve of such behavior. Otherwise, he wouldn't have rushed into the cockpit to stop it when the accident happened. And he wouldn't be shocked and ask Jimmy "Jim tell me you didn't…What the fk did you do?"

In addition, judging from the game developers' completely different attitudes towards Curly and Jimmy, they obviously did not want to portray Curly as a bad guy.

"Or this can all be remembered as a tragedy. Despite what must have been the best efforts of its acclaimed captain. The Tulpar crew was never found. No one survived to tell the tale."

curly would have to be particularly dense to not understand what jimmy is implying here, but luckily for him we know he did understand, because again when jimmy asks him if he did he responds affirmatively. like i said he may have immediately regretted it after it was done, but he still knowingly allowed it to happen.

If you really think so, then I can only suggest that you play the game again "carefully" to see if he is really that kind of person.

[Tellem]

Originally posted by Scylla:

Originally posted by 蜂蜜烤苹果:

How could he possibly agree with Jimmy's behavior? Curly obviously didn't think Jimmy was going to crash the spacecraft, nor did he approve of such behavior. Otherwise, he wouldn't have rushed into the cockpit to stop it when the accident happened. And he wouldn't be shocked and ask Jimmy "Jim tell me you didn't…What the fk did you do?"

In addition, judging from the game developers' completely different attitudes towards Curly and Jimmy, they obviously did not want to portray Curly as a bad guy.

"Or this can all be remembered as a tragedy. Despite what must have been the best efforts of its acclaimed captain. The Tulpar crew was never found. No one survived to tell the tale."

curly would have to be particularly dense to not understand what jimmy is implying here, but luckily for him we know he did understand, because again when jimmy asks him if he did he responds affirmatively. like i said he may have immediately regretted it after it was done, but he still knowingly allowed it to happen.

I don’t necessarily agree that curly would have to be dense. I think it’s consistent with the character for Curly to think Jimmy is speaking figuratively and it doesn’t even cross his mind that Jimmy could be possible of doing such a horrible thing (speaking of purposely crashing the plane) (further symbolizing how he can’t see the dead pixel even when Anya points it out.)

It’s easy to say in hindsight that “hey he literally says that he is gonna crash the ship and you didn’t do anything” but I believe it was a reasonable error for Curly not to believe that Jimmy would crash the ship. But it was an unreasonable error to allow Jimmy the agency and authority to still have access to the cockpit (especially where the emergency key is!) and basically normal crew life given his crime against Anya.