Devs your number presentation is terrible!

[Varangian]

I am not dumb but neither Einstein smart! An average bloke that grew up in Sweden with Greek names for big numbers like most PC players! We all know what Kilo, Mega, Giga,
Tera, Peta, Exa, Zetta means. But you in your infinite wisdom decided to use a system I have never in my 40+ years come upon. I understand the numbers when I use a search engine to look it up but to be honest not even Google understood what 1.10e9 meant the first search!!!
I will donate €100, for you to implement an option for us to use "normal" measurement 1.1 giga instead of 1.10e+9 <-- I have absolutly no understanding of that way of presenting numbers. Is it common in China or where ever you Devs are from?

[Varangian]

Początkowo opublikowane przez phenir:

Początkowo opublikowane przez Varangian:

Is it common in China or where ever you Devs are from?

It's common everywhere, you're just a brick. This is why you pay attention in school kids.

Thank you for your kind input. Never came up in Swedish schools. Funny that since Sweden is top 5 gdp with only US and AU above us when skipping oil countries and single state cities. Otherwise we are top 12.
Yes it could be me being a dumb ass. But it never came up in my classes, 14 years. But after 40 hours in the game I have a much better understanding of the number. Even thou they are to big and the devs have lost control of them. +1000% is not normal!!!!!

[Varangian]

Początkowo opublikowane przez Elgareth:

Początkowo opublikowane przez Varangian:

I will donate €100, for you to implement an option for us to use "normal" measurement 1.1 giga instead of 1.10e+9 <-- I have absolutly no understanding of that way of presenting numbers. Is it common in China or where ever you Devs are from?

Then tell me, what number is 3.000.000.000.000.000.000.000.000.000.000 in "normal" measurement?
I can tell you it is 3e30 in scientific numbers.
The calculation is massively simple, the part behind the e is simply "how many zeroes come after the number?".
10 is 1e1
100 is 1e2
1.000 is 1e3
10.000 is 1e4
and so on and on. It doesn't get much simpler than that. It has massive pros in incremental games. You can always easily see how far away from a goal you are, for example: "Aha, the boss does 2e24 damage per shot, I only have 3e23 shields, so I need ~10 times as much shield before I can even sustain one shot of the boss."
Much easier than checking how much 3Nx is, compared to the 4qA of the boss damage.
You don't need to learn any vocabulary, no descriptions, no calculations.
3e20 divided by 10 is 3e19.
3e10 divided by 2 is 1.5e10. Or 15e9. Or 15 with 9 zeroes, so 15.000.000.000.

And it's compatible to all languages.
For example 1e6 is "million" in both german and english. But 1e9 is "billion" in english, but "milliarde" in german, "billion" in german is 1e12.

Sadly not simple for me because I have never come upon it before this game. After a few hours in the game I understand it some what. Like you did when switching from Mark to Euro. When you are used to one system another is harder to get used to. I know now that our numbers in-game will go thru the roof and my suggestion is dumb!
Thank You for your explanation! I will save it for later because it explained it so simple!
DEVS!!! implement this explanation in-game!

[Varangian]

Początkowo opublikowane przez Kalil:

Początkowo opublikowane przez phenir:

It's common everywhere, you're just a brick. This is why you pay attention in school kids.

Xenophobia is often rooted in ignorance, but this is a hilariously direct example.

Ahh yes "Xenophobia". Don't you get tired of yourself? What is a ton in Sweden, The United Kingdom, The United States?!? What is a longweight ton, shortweight ton, long ton, tonne, short ton?
I only hate people like you, arrogant now-it als!

[Varangian]

Początkowo opublikowane przez Nyu:

lul
and i would prefer if they numbers starting from 10 would be displayed 1.0e1
most efficient way to display numbers and show differences.

this is like 8th grade knowledge for math and chemistry and physics and if you are not going to the most basic school it starts at around 4th grade. europe btw.
and every good recieved incremental game also has that option.

OP i recommend you play antimatter dimension and turn on the emoji "numbers", i bet you will get these. they are impossible for me to understand.
so pls dev, add emoji numbers. maybe i can learn them in this game.

Why must you people always ridicule ignorance? I went to school in Sweden for 14 years and never come upon this counting methode! Did any of you do it in school before you made an active selection?

[Varangian]

Początkowo opublikowane przez WorthlessEnergy:

I always shied away from the e numbers, but since playing this game and giving it a chance I found it super easy to see it as just another 0s place for the number. Before it just always looked like magic to me because I never had any kind of reference. And now I quite like it especially since it fits the theme.

I might agree after 40 hour.

Początkowo opublikowane przez adeyke:

Implementing it would be easy. The trouble is in deciding what it is that should be implemented.

The SI prefixes (kilo, mega, etc.) only go up to e30, and the highest two were only adopted in 2022; many people would only be familiar with those up to e24. There's no official/universal way to treat numbers beyond that. Some games handle this by just making up their own prefixes, either based on the name of the number (e.g. Sx for sextillion) or just alphabetically, potentially with multiple letters for very large numbers. The issue is that different games will make different choices, so intuition from one game won't necessarily carry over to another.

I didn't think the numbers would go that big. Why would they? Having a single upgrade at the start of the game giving +1000% is insane, sorry devs but it is!!! I do not know what it is in xex because I switched to percent so I have some messure that I feel in my soul.

[Varangian]

Początkowo opublikowane przez RaptorSolutions:

Okay, name e100 to e150 without googling. If you can't, then it's kinda pointless because it'll essentially be just a bunch of random words at that point.
Though I guess you could always go with AA -> AB -> AC and so on... that one at least scales better than names. And since it's logical, better than names too.

I never though the numbers would go that high. I was a naive virgine two days ago!

[phenir]

Początkowo opublikowane przez Varangian:

Początkowo opublikowane przez Sylv:

The game just gets to real big numbers quickly, you might recognize 1M, B, T, Q, Qi etc but will you recognize 1Ttc? >< I always just found simple scientific easier

that said, I will possibly add that other way with 1.0 release down line.

A few more hours into the game and yes I'm at *13-*14. So my suggestion dosen't work. I just wonder why you let the numbers run away that much? After I wrote this topic I got the damage and shield module that start + 1000% dmg and shield. +10 % would have been enough. Damn I'm only at L21 and every number on my ship is way of my billion, trillion suggestion.
It's a fantastic game but the numbers are way off!

Because that is the point of incremental game. The next "goal" is so far off that it is unrealistic to spend time getting to it, you will die in real life before it happens. However, with certain upgrades it becomes trivial. Get 100,000% bonus and clear sector in 1 second instead of 1 hour. It's power fantasy.

[Red Rider]

E notation (1.10e+9) is a subset of Scientific Notion (1.10*10^9). That you've never heard of it before doesn't make it obscure. It's the most common way to represent large numbers in the Scientific World.

And being that this is a Space Ship Game it's theme appropriate.

[可樂亓皇御]

I also feel troubled by this. I get a headache when I see formulas. So I asked GPT, and it quickly calculated for me. Praise GPT. By the way, my English is also poor, and the above was translated by GPT for me.

[Elgareth]

Początkowo opublikowane przez CokeCola313TW:

I also feel troubled by this. I get a headache when I see formulas. So I asked GPT, and it quickly calculated for me. Praise GPT. By the way, my English is also poor, and the above was translated by GPT for me.:lunar2019grinningpig:

It looks a bit weird at first glance, yeah. But really all you need to remember is "the number after the e is the number of zeroes of the value I'm looking at".
2e3 = "Two and three zeroes" = 2 000
4e10 = "Four and ten zeroes" = 40 000 000 000

No formulas needed, no knowledge beyond that needed. What sometimes threw me off in the beginning was thinking "Oh, 4e20 is double from 4e10.", while actually it's x10.000.000.000, as there are 10 more zeroes behind it :-D

[RaptorSolutions]

Początkowo opublikowane przez CokeCola313TW:

I also feel troubled by this. I get a headache when I see formulas. So I asked GPT, and it quickly calculated for me. Praise GPT. By the way, my English is also poor, and the above was translated by GPT for me.:lunar2019grinningpig:

All you need to know is the part after the e. If it's one number away, you'll probably be fine, if it's two number away, you're severely underpowered.
So say for combat stats, if you have e33 damage/dps and the target is e34 health. You might be fine, or not but you can give it a shot. If the target is e35 then you need more power.

[ChowFan]

They don't teach this in Sweden? I'm very surprised. I'm curious how they teach chemistry and physics without scientific notation? Is a Mole described as 602 Sextillion? Granted, people might not choose physics or chemistry but one would think this stuff would be part of basic maths.

The problem with kilo, zetta, etc, is once you get to big numbers, it gets confusing having to remember all the names. If I do 6.3 vigintillion damage and the opponent has 2.8 duodecillion armor/hull, who wins? and how much? Me, apparently, by about 3.5 septillion times.

[RaptorSolutions]

Początkowo opublikowane przez ChowFan:

They don't teach this in Sweden? I'm very surprised. I'm curious how they teach chemistry and physics without scientific notation? Is a Mole described as 602 Sextillion? Granted, people might not choose physics or chemistry but one would think this stuff would be part of basic maths.

The problem with kilo, zetta, etc, is once you get to big numbers, it gets confusing having to remember all the names. If I do 6.3 vigintillion damage and the opponent has 2.8 duodecillion armor/hull, who wins? and how much? Me, apparently, by about 3.5 septillion times.

Tbh they didn't teach this generally where I'm from to. But neither did they teach anything more than a billion. And I think trillion is something I picked up from the media than anything.
Which is why these things are so weird to me, even a kid can tell which number is bigger in scientific notation. A kid can't do the same with words.

[m662]

Because there is nothing to be teached there is way to much reading into something that was used for calculators due to technical limitations instead of actual math notation.

https://mathresearch.utsa.edu/wiki/index.php?title=Scientific_Notation

Most calculators and many computer programs present very large and very small results in scientific notation, typically invoked by a key labelled EXP (for exponent), EEX (for enter exponent), EE, EX, E, or {\displaystyle \times 10^{x}}{\displaystyle \times 10^{x}} depending on vendor and model.

Because superscripted exponents like 107 cannot always be conveniently displayed, the letter E (or e) is often used to represent "times ten raised to the power of" (which would be written as "× 10n") and is followed by the value of the exponent; in other words, for any two real numbers m and n, the usage of "mEn" would indicate a value of m × 10n. In this usage the character e is not related to the mathematical constant e or the exponential function ex (a confusion that is unlikely if scientific notation is represented by a capital E).

Although the E stands for exponent, the notation is usually referred to as (scientific) E notation rather than (scientific) exponential notation. The use of E notation facilitates data entry and readability in textual communication since it minimizes keystrokes, avoids reduced font sizes and provides a simpler and more concise display, but it is not encouraged in some publications.

Your math teacher will chew you out f you ever write things down with E without the proper use case. Outside of math class use it to your hearts content no one cares and no one should care.

[phenir]

Except when they include calculators as mandatory class materials so you actually do need to learn how to read scientific notation.