How does disruption charge work?

[GoodDron]

I didn't find any info ingame or here on forum, so...

Case: I'm stuck at the end of sector 58 with the phasing boss. I have a single disruptive charge canon onboard and the boss is phasing my attacks whatever canon modes I switch, though he is covered with red dots of this weapon.

Do I do smth wrong? What do tickrate, number of ticks and other modes of this weapon stand for?

UPD:
Found a tooltip while hovering over the weapon's stats. But I still don't undertsand why I can't defeat the boss. Any tips?

[Dwane Dibbley]

Some bosses and maybe big enemies has some phasing power or however its called (you can see it in enemy stats). Disruptor shots multiple "dots" and if you stack more dots than this power, enemy cant phase out and you can actualy damage it.

So you want to spec disruptor into more ticks/targets so you keep more "dots" on boss for longer. Some bosses may even need 2 disruptors to stack enough "dots".

Normal phasing enemies usualy dont have this power and 1 dont us enough.

I cant access game atm so cant check exact disruptors upgrades nor make screenshot.

[GoodDron]

Originally posted by Dwane Dibbley:

Some bosses and maybe big enemies has some phasing power or however its called (you can see it in enemy stats). Disruptor shots multiple "dots" and if you stack more dots than this power, enemy cant phase out and you can actualy damage it.

So you want to spec disruptor into more ticks/targets so you keep more "dots" on boss for longer. Some bosses may even need 2 disruptors to stack enough "dots".

Normal phasing enemies usualy dont have this power and 1 dont us enough.

I cant access game atm so cant check exact disruptors upgrades nor make screenshot.

Thanks. Seems I need to take 2 disruptors. Sadly, I've used all retrofits this run, so I have to wait couple of days till another attempt =\

[Dwane Dibbley]

Kinetic boost might help if you use it when the boss is at disruptors range. It makes your kinetic weapons shot extra rounds on activation.

And there is secret code that gives you free retrofit (it gives 1 charge in consumables tab).

[rob_s_cat2]

just curious. if one disruptor is good enough for all but a couple of phasing bosses, is the tick rate improvement from missiles as support good enough to not need the second?

[Dwane Dibbley]

I dont know how exactly does it works, so who knows. And i dont think tickrate matters, i was talking about number of ticks, which is one of disruptors upgrades that basicaly extend duration.

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3031319865

[NomiSaltium]

Originally posted by Dwane Dibbley:

And there is secret code that gives you free retrofit (it gives 1 charge in consumables tab).

This code no longer works.

[Sylv]

just to clarify. Tick rate does not matter for making them not phase, it just matters for damage.

You basically need one red dot on the enemy for each phase jump power they have and then they can't phase any more.

I really need some spot to explain all the combat related things in game I think.

[GoodDron]

Originally posted by Dwane Dibbley:

I dont know how exactly does it works, so who knows. And i dont think tickrate matters, i was talking about number of ticks, which is one of disruptors upgrades that basicaly extend duration.

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3031319865

Thanks!

And I've used that retrofit code but haven't used the consumable, so +1 retrofit this run actually.

[doralon]

Originally posted by Sylv:

I really need some spot to explain all the combat related things in game I think.

I agree :)

[Bashie]

Spaceidle has been my favorite idle game in a long, long time. There's so much density and well designed aspects.

But the Disruption Charge weapon has to be my least favorite, or rather, the only part of the game I dislike. At Sector 68 you start running into normal enemies with a phase jump power of 24, and THREE Disruption Charge weapons aren't enough to keep them from dancing around your weapons for a few seconds. And to top it off, Disruption Charges don't even do very much damage as a weapon, but are mandatory to have on your ship.

I find that watching your ship attacking enemies is part of the fun, and watching your missiles fly past an enemy and into space isn't. I feel like the way Disruption Charges work vs Phase Jumping needs to be reworked, or at least for many enemies to have their Phase Jump power outright halved.

[Dragon]

You can manage with one disruption charge weapon until sector 68 boss where i had to finally throw on 2 (i'm currently farming in sector 69 for crew). I absolutely hate that weapon because of how it works with targeting options and priorities with phasing as a whole, and it takes up 1-2 weapon slots.
If you only use one Disruption Charge select Extended time, Extra Disruption, Target Splitting and treat it as a "stat" stick to buff your other weapons.
Make sure to make every other weapon target 1st option to "can't phase" and the Disruption Charge "Phasing" for 1st option. This prevents the target from phasing and dropping your Disruption Charges.
How it actually works i'm not 100% sure but if they phase they regen their phase power and you have to start over again. If i had to guess your stacking the ticks and that keeps it from regen similar to the fast regen shielding. If you can't stack enough Disruption Charges you won't be able to target with your other weapons. if your other weapons fire before you completely strip the phase power, it's a restart on stacking. If you don't have the extended tick times your charges drop too fast for the later bosses and sector mobs.
Other option, just overpower it where it can't break your shields, you will win eventually.

My final weapon Load out to beat sector 68 boss and farming in sector 69 for reference was 2x Disruption Charge, 2x Laser Charge, 1x Laser Beam, 1x Laser Cannon with 3 links on Damage Target Shard IV.

To make it clear i'm not 100% sure on mechanics. I can only comment on observations and make conjectures on why I think my setup works.

[Hunu]

Originally posted by Sylv:

just to clarify. Tick rate does not matter for making them not phase, it just matters for damage.

You basically need one red dot on the enemy for each phase jump power they have and then they can't phase any more.

I really need some spot to explain all the combat related things in game I think.

I really like how well explained everything is, and how many QoL improvements for the game are just there already like timers for max level, when you can afford the next upgrade, etc.

And yeah, it would be good if there was somewhere to reference the combat part of the game.

Originally posted by Bashie:

I find that watching your ship attacking enemies is part of the fun, and watching your missiles fly past an enemy and into space isn't

I agree, but I feel like that with all the projectiles, if a projectile has launched but it's target dies before it gets there it would be nice if it still hit whatever enemy it ends up passing through. Totally minor thing though, lol. (And I guess not what you're talking about since I'm only at level 20)

[Loki]

stuck as well, this discussion seems helpful

[Dragon]

This thread is really old.
I think the dev made a a few tweeks here and there to weapons and targeting systems over the last 6mo. there are some newer threads for the current content that will be more helpful for clearing some of the bosses with targeting issues.

EDIT:
Try this one for boss targeting issues with Disruption Charge
https://steamcommunity.com/app/2471100/discussions/0/4356745682744914680/

Try this for projectile control in general.
https://steamcommunity.com/app/2471100/discussions/0/4333104560168495781/

There are better ones for choice of targeting and making your shots less wasteful, targeting choices, and weapon builds but they are kinda buried under odd title names.