missile launcher

[-ST-m34t]

are they good or crap ?

[Huillam]

Used it once after unlocking it, ditched it five minutes later, never used it again.
It has low dps (even when taking its special ability into account), not enough damage per hit to deal with swarmers, low fire rate (making it even more useless against swarmers) and using it is a giant loss of dps against bosses.

[Dwane Dibbley]

Its the best weapon against swarms. Best thing for Fenix warp.

[-ST-m34t]

ok both answers confuses me now , but thx for response

[Twogs]

Originally posted by Dwane Dibbley:

Its the best weapon against swarms. Best thing for Fenix warp.

With the right setup the Beam Laser is probably even better.

Or rather: The best all around weapon. Quite literally cuts through everything like a hot knife through butter.

[Twogs]

Originally posted by -ST-m34t:

ok both answers confuses me now , but thx for response

At the time you get it, it's a solid weapon. Very good in handling swarms of armored swarmers (which you will face around this time a lot).

But once you progress even further it will lose its edge.

[Dwane Dibbley]

Originally posted by Twogs:

Originally posted by Dwane Dibbley:

Its the best weapon against swarms. Best thing for Fenix warp.

With the right setup the Beam Laser is probably even better.

Or rather: The best all around weapon. Quite literally cuts through everything like a hot knife through butter.

Beam is pretty slow against big swarms. 4missiles+2 bombs for perma boost and range increase (that extra range is actualy pretty powerfull in lot of situetions as you could delete swarmers before they can shoot) is better than beams on swarms. +1 TARGET and swaping between mass barrage and empowered missiles helps against harder swarms or even on boss.

[Whitey]

Originally posted by Dwane Dibbley:

Originally posted by Twogs:

With the right setup the Beam Laser is probably even better.

Or rather: The best all around weapon. Quite literally cuts through everything like a hot knife through butter.

Beam is pretty slow against big swarms. 4missiles+2 bombs for perma boost and range increase (that extra range is actualy pretty powerfull in lot of situetions as you could delete swarmers before they can shoot) is better than beams on swarms. +1 TARGET and swaping between mass barrage and empowered missiles helps against harder swarms or even on boss.

If you have 3-4 beams all the way upgraded and set them to avoid target overlap they kill swarmers quickly. With a charge time of 0.08l it's like having a laser machine gun. Swarmers are a non-issue. Even if missiles DO do better, I'm not going to retrofit everytime I want to do fenix.

[Twogs]

Originally posted by Dwane Dibbley:

Originally posted by Twogs:

With the right setup the Beam Laser is probably even better.

Or rather: The best all around weapon. Quite literally cuts through everything like a hot knife through butter.

Beam is pretty slow against big swarms. 4missiles+2 bombs for perma boost and range increase (that extra range is actualy pretty powerfull in lot of situetions as you could delete swarmers before they can shoot) is better than beams on swarms. +1 TARGET and swaping between mass barrage and empowered missiles helps against harder swarms or even on boss.

I use 2 beams with laser boost always on.

That kills swarmers on contact, at 1050 range, without need for the projectile to get there.
Believe me: Swarms are not an issue anymore with that.

[Dwane Dibbley]

Originally posted by Twogs:

Originally posted by Dwane Dibbley:

Beam is pretty slow against big swarms. 4missiles+2 bombs for perma boost and range increase (that extra range is actualy pretty powerfull in lot of situetions as you could delete swarmers before they can shoot) is better than beams on swarms. +1 TARGET and swaping between mass barrage and empowered missiles helps against harder swarms or even on boss.

I use 2 beams with laser boost always on.

That kills swarmers on contact, at 1050 range, without need for the projectile to get there.
Believe me: Swarms are not an issue anymore with that.

Originally posted by Whitey:

Originally posted by Dwane Dibbley:

Beam is pretty slow against big swarms. 4missiles+2 bombs for perma boost and range increase (that extra range is actualy pretty powerfull in lot of situetions as you could delete swarmers before they can shoot) is better than beams on swarms. +1 TARGET and swaping between mass barrage and empowered missiles helps against harder swarms or even on boss.

If you have 3-4 beams all the way upgraded and set them to avoid target overlap they kill swarmers quickly. With a charge time of 0.08l it's like having a laser machine gun. Swarmers are a non-issue. Even if missiles DO do better, I'm not going to retrofit everytime I want to do fenix.

If beams kill big swarm "quickly", it means you have overleveled them. Every weapon is "the best" if you just overlevel enemies.

[Huillam]

Originally posted by Dwane Dibbley:

If beams kill big swarm "quickly", it means you have overleveled them. Every weapon is "the best" if you just overlevel enemies.

I can't push Ceta (with shielded enemies) any higher than Delta (with armored enemies and swarmer waves) or Gamma (shielded and armored with swarmers).
So no my beams aren't overleved.

And again no, not every weapons is the best because it's overleveled. I wouldn't want to handle a wave of underleved swarmers using even 6 bomb launchers.
The beam is a great weapon because:
- It's a laser weapon and when it comes to support, no kinetic weapon can compare with the laser cannon.
- Even if the above was wrong, the Laser Boost Automator can be fully upgraded early on while the Volley Automator requires T6 materials (and if it follows its previous 3 levels per tier pattern will cap at 0.55 power).
- Its projectile reach the target instantly.
- It's by itself a high damage weapon.
- Properly supported it can fire at more than 12 enemies per second.

[Twogs]

Originally posted by Dwane Dibbley:

Originally posted by Twogs:

I use 2 beams with laser boost always on.

That kills swarmers on contact, at 1050 range, without need for the projectile to get there.
Believe me: Swarms are not an issue anymore with that.

Originally posted by Whitey:

If you have 3-4 beams all the way upgraded and set them to avoid target overlap they kill swarmers quickly. With a charge time of 0.08l it's like having a laser machine gun. Swarmers are a non-issue. Even if missiles DO do better, I'm not going to retrofit everytime I want to do fenix.

If beams kill big swarm "quickly", it means you have overleveled them. Every weapon is "the best" if you just overlevel enemies.

No not overleveled at all.

I do swarm warps at the same level as other warps.

The beam just does insane DPS and is instant-hit instead of having to wait for a projectile to hit.

[doralon]

I totally agree with the "not overleveled" statement.
I also usually complete all warps of the same level or at most 0.5 below.
Currently I have Epsilon and Delta at 53 while Fenix, Gamma and Helius at 53.5.
Note that Delta and Fenix are the only armor swarms from the lists above.

[Dwane Dibbley]

And i have all at 69.5. Guess using different setups properly is worse than all this "beam best, use only beams for everything" i keep seeing here.

Beams are just universal solution once you overlevel enemies. Using proper setups on warps and bosses let you push further/sooner.

[doralon]

Originally posted by doralon:

I totally agree with the "not overleveled" statement.
I also usually complete all warps of the same level or at most 0.5 below.
Currently I have Epsilon and Delta at 53 while Fenix, Gamma and Helius at 53.5.
Note that Delta and Fenix are the only armor swarms from the lists above.

I just pushed Epsilon and Delta to 53.5 as well so now all my warps at 53.5 - armored swarms and shielded alike.

Originally posted by Dwane Dibbley:

And i have all at 69.5. Guess using different setups properly is worse than all this "beam best, use only beams for everything" i keep seeing here.

indeed - thank you very much for demonstrating the beam setup to me a few weeks ago in another thread - I really struggled before that :)

[rob_s_cat2]

missiles are very situational. however, once you are in the destroyer, it's handy having one slot with missiles for the bonuses to firing rate. i personally run two for the double bonus. this allows beamers to beam basically anything fast enough, with kinetics so the beamers can actually hurt armoured enemies as well. it's the synergy that makes the difference, and i never have to change loadout, except to change tiers when i'm doing challenges.