A Travelling Bazaar took my Barrier Spell.

[sjgf]

In a recent game my character, the Bounty Hunter, cast the Barrier Spell on the City Gate Space at the beginning of its Turn, rolled the die, moved, and then drew and encountered a Travelling Bazaar card that took all the cards that sat upon Street spaces and supposedly shuffled them onto the Basic Game Adventure Deck. When I looked at the board after the Travelling Bazaar had been discarded I noticed that the Barrier Spell that my character had just cast was gone.

The Travelling Bazaar card says: "Take all other cards on street spaces, shuffle them, and place the cards facedown on top of the base game Adventure deck. Then discard this card." From this it would appear to include face-up spells. Is this right ? The game apparently thinks so.

So should the Travelling Bazaar be able to take face-up spells from Street Spaces as well as other cards ? And if so should these spells go onto the Basic Game Adventure Deck to be drawn and encountered like an Adventure card as per the instructions on the Travelling Bazaar card ?

[sjgf]

Post script: a few Turns later my character landed on the Cursed Glade, after having previously moved to the Middle Region from the Wharf and, because my character had the Whiskers Follower and there was a Bandit already face-up on the space, my character drew another Adventure card, and I got this:

http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=795812753

When combined with the face-up card that was already on the space I then saw this:

http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=795812796

And after my character defeated the Bandit the log showed this:

http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=795812439

The log showed that the facedown Adventure card was my previously cast Barrier Spell. Although it appeared facedown as an Adventure card it was actually a Spell card. My character did not get to Encounter this card.

So this shows that the Travelling Bazaar dumps face-up Spells on the Basic Game Adventure Deck, but should it ? There are some character abilities and cards that allow a character to secretly look at the top card of the Adventure Deck. The purpose is to allow characters to secretly decide whether they want to Encounter such a secretly sighted card or not, among other things. A Spell card that secretly sits on top of an Adventure Deck, even if it will be discarded once drawn, nonetheless blocks a character with the ability to secretly look at the actual top card of that Adventure from seeing the real top Adventure card that can actually be encountered.

Also the hidden spell that sits on top of the Adventure Deck will, I suspect, be treated incorrectly as an Adventure card for other game purposes like opening the Treasure Chest that gives a character the chance to take an Object from five or 10 Adventure cards drawn randomly from the top of the Adventure Deck, for example. I haven't seen this but it seems reasonable to assume this.

So should a Spell card be placed on top of the Adventure Deck by the Travelling Bazaar card or any other means ? And again should the Travelling Bazaar card be able to take face-up spells in the first place ?

[sjgf]

Post Post Script: I exited the above game and then later resumed it and on my character's next Turn after the Barrier Spell had been drawn but not encountered, I saw this:

http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=795827612

The face down Barrier Spell is now on the Cursed Glade where I drew it on the previous Turn.

[sjgf]

Post Post Post Script: On the following Turn the face down Barrier Spell on the Cursed Glade flipped and became face-up.

http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=795830376

[sjgf]

Fourth Postscript: The Barrier Spell remained on the Cursed Glade for the rest of the game with full effect.

Here is a screenshot that shows the game on a much later Turn. The Barrier Spell is still on the Cursed Glade and can be seen underneath the log.


http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=795841081

The same Turn but without the open log to show the Barrier Spell still on the Cursed Glade more clearly.

http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=795841049

[vidal22]

had a game just the other day where right after the bazaar the other player cast barrier on the space in front of my in order to trap me in a shop so he could come after me. He then landed on the market square and was forced to choose the barrier and place it on the market square space from which it was then discarded at the end of his turn.

[sanityismyvanity]

This is a result of the City rules not taking into account the fact that Spells on a space count as a card, just like adventure cards. By rule, the way Travelling Bazaar is worded, the Barrier Spell is to be scooped up along all other cards on Street Spaces. Where it goes from there is not well defined at all though. Technically speaking, it should go on top of the Adventure Deck. But once drawn again from that deck, no rules exist to explain what should be done with it.

I personally believe the Spell card should instead be discarded when Travelling Bazaar is drawn and encountered. Spells can only be cast per the rules, and drawing and encountering cards from an adventure deck does not qualify as being cast. If not that, then the Spell drawn from the adventure deck should be added to the drawing players Spells inventory, if they have space for it, and otherwise discarded if they do not. But I think it simply being discarded before being placed on an adventure deck is the simpler solution.

This particular issue was eliminated in future expansions like the Deep Realms, where it is forbidden to cast Spells that remain on a space. This is because on the Bridge spaces, all cards are shuffled back into the Bridge deck, no matter their origin. It's also the reason Terrain cards cannot be placed there as well. This prevents such strange occurences in the first place.

[Fomalhaut]

The spell should be discarded. We've repeated this and sent it to the programmers.