Virgil is a bit too strong

[potterman28wxcv]

I think Virgil is too strong right now. If you have a short spawn timer like 10 rounds - or if it's the Awakening ending, you basically have almost no chance to beat him. He will proceed to the Temple while people are still struggling to get their first strength-craft counters. And you need to beat him 3 times since he has 3 lives, so just one spell can't make it neither. It's game over as soon as he spawns.

Unless someone is lucky enough to draw a weapon which buys more time, but in the two games i played where he spawned, no one had that luck.

[The Delta Crow]

I agree, it is harsh, but that is the challenge of the Ancient Beasts. The best strategy to use if you get Virgil in the early game is to hightail it for the City as soon as it spawns and buy a stiletto for 1 gold. That will add another 16 rounds to get stronger and give you a better chance at taking it down before it reaches the Temple a second time.

[Marik]

You blow this way out of proportion. I've been playing since the expansion came out and have had no issues with Virgil whatsoever

[chefcook90]

I had Virgil spawn as the very first Beast once - it was NOT fun >_<

EDIT: Now that I think about it, the simplest solution would be to add an option to toggle the Apex trait on and off, or if you have Realm of Souls, add an option that makes it so it simply kills everyone on the board instead of ending the game.

That way people who enjoy the extra challenge could leave it as is, while players who want a more casual Beast experience could have an easier time.

I mean, Bloodmoon has an option that lets you play without the Werewolf, so there may as well be an option that lets you play without Apex.

DOUBLE EDIT: Actually, I found a workaround - play with "Start with Beasts"and "Maximum Beasts" both set to 3 - if Virgil is one of the 3 starting monsters, start a new game.
It ain't perfect, but it's better than playing for 10-20 turns before realizing you're screwed :P

[tragedytrousers]

Originally posted by chefcook90:

I had Virgil spawn as the very first Beast once - it was NOT fun >_<

EDIT: Now that I think about it, the simplest solution would be to add an option to toggle the Apex trait on and off, or if you have Realm of Souls, add an option that makes it so it simply kills everyone on the board instead of ending the game.

Seconded - a house rule to turn Apex off for Days That I Am Weak would be great.