Hopper should not work in inner region because of gauntlet ending.

[DaBlanka]

Just played gauntlet ending, and ended up getting hopper for the first time (city pet). It ruins this ending, please make him not work in inner region, and maybe restrict it to 1 "hop" per turn.

[Driss]

I usually try to terraform the menagerie asap since many of those pets are outrageously overpowered.

[DaBlanka]

I ended up terraforming the stables so no one else could get mules/wagons

[illwilks]

I agree. Hopper's ability should be disabled when you enter inner region. Kinda ruins the Gauntlet ending.

[majkel2111]

Talisman is full of this kind of issues like this white bunny of yours. Ninja is getting ridiculously overpowerd when Pandora Box ending is introduced, should his abilities also be turned off?

[DaBlanka]

Originally posted by majkel2111:

Talisman is full of this kind of issues like this white bunny of yours. Ninja is getting ridiculously overpowerd when Pandora Box ending is introduced, should his abilities also be turned off?

What is the problem with disabling hopper's hop in the inner region? There are normally not cards in the inner region, it just really screws up the gauntlet ending.

[majkel2111]

Originally posted by DaBlanka:

Originally posted by majkel2111:

Talisman is full of this kind of issues like this white bunny of yours. Ninja is getting ridiculously overpowerd when Pandora Box ending is introduced, should his abilities also be turned off?

What is the problem with disabling hopper's hop in the inner region? There are normally not cards in the inner region, it just really screws up the gauntlet ending.

Good luck with persuading Nomads and the Talisman purists, who do not agree to any changes, even to those which are better for everyone. I personally don't care about the Hopper. I only wonder why to change this, not other more important things. There has been this topic with the alchemist in the City for example, still unresolved (or is it? I haven't been playing for 2 weeks). Anyway Ninja ruins Pandora Box ending, if we are changing the Hopper, shouldn't we change him as well?

[DaBlanka]

Originally posted by majkel2111:

Originally posted by DaBlanka:

What is the problem with disabling hopper's hop in the inner region? There are normally not cards in the inner region, it just really screws up the gauntlet ending.

Good luck with persuading Nomads and the Talisman purists, who do not agree to any changes, even to those which are better for everyone. I personally don't care about the Hopper. I only wonder why to change this, not other more important things. There has been this topic with the alchemist in the City for example, still unresolved (or is it? I haven't been playing for 2 weeks). Anyway Ninja ruins Pandora Box ending, if we are changing the Hopper, shouldn't we change him as well?

eh sure? Make a topic for it and lay out the reasons for it. I only have experience with the hopper problem having played the gauntlet ending 1 time. With hopper I got to the first square and then just bunny hopped to the crown.

Making hopper not work in the inner region would not make him bad or decrease his appeal, it just ruins the gauntlet ending.

If ninja is a big problem with gauntlet ending too, detail why so it can be fixed/improved also, as long as it doesn't ruin the character.

[majkel2111]

Originally posted by DaBlanka:

Originally posted by majkel2111:

Good luck with persuading Nomads and the Talisman purists, who do not agree to any changes, even to those which are better for everyone. I personally don't care about the Hopper. I only wonder why to change this, not other more important things. There has been this topic with the alchemist in the City for example, still unresolved (or is it? I haven't been playing for 2 weeks). Anyway Ninja ruins Pandora Box ending, if we are changing the Hopper, shouldn't we change him as well?

eh sure? Make a topic for it and lay out the reasons for it. I only have experience with the hopper problem having played the gauntlet ending 1 time. With hopper I got to the first square and then just bunny hopped to the crown.

Making hopper not work in the inner region would not make him bad or decrease his appeal, it just ruins the gauntlet ending.

If ninja is a big problem with gauntlet ending too, detail why so it can be fixed/improved also, as long as it doesn't ruin the character.

Not with Gauntlet ending, but Pandora ending. Ninja cannot evade creatures in the Inner Region. I am only saying that Hopper is not the biggest issue in this game. You only need to know he can do that with the Gauntlet and next time you will adjust your startegy to this knowledge.

[DaBlanka]

Originally posted by majkel2111:

Originally posted by DaBlanka:

eh sure? Make a topic for it and lay out the reasons for it. I only have experience with the hopper problem having played the gauntlet ending 1 time. With hopper I got to the first square and then just bunny hopped to the crown.

Making hopper not work in the inner region would not make him bad or decrease his appeal, it just ruins the gauntlet ending.

If ninja is a big problem with gauntlet ending too, detail why so it can be fixed/improved also, as long as it doesn't ruin the character.

Not with Gauntlet ending, but Pandora ending. Ninja cannot evade creatures in the Inner Region. I am only saying that Hopper is not the biggest issue in this game. You only need to know he can do that with the Gauntlet and next time you will adjust your startegy to this knowledge.

I appreciate the feedback, but I haven't played Pandora ending with ninja, and my "startegy" worked fine for winning with the gauntlet. It was just kind of lame.

If you found a bigger issue, then by all means detail the problem in a new topic and propose a solution so it gets fixed.

[majkel2111]

Originally posted by DaBlanka:

Originally posted by majkel2111:

Not with Gauntlet ending, but Pandora ending. Ninja cannot evade creatures in the Inner Region. I am only saying that Hopper is not the biggest issue in this game. You only need to know he can do that with the Gauntlet and next time you will adjust your startegy to this knowledge.

I appreciate the feedback, but I haven't played Pandora ending with ninja, and my "startegy" worked fine for winning with the gauntlet. It was just kind of lame.

If you found a bigger issue, then by all means detail the problem in a new topic and propose a solution so it gets fixed.

I did that, many times. Me and many other players asked Nomads to do something with the alchemist since with the City expansion he is too demigodish. Still no progress. I have also asked (in 2015) for the option to ban characters I don't wish to have in the game, like we do that with the endigs. Is it done? Well.. No

[Simon]

Now that you’ve publicised the ‘exploit’ so to speak maybe it’ll become part of the strategy to try to get or steal the Hopper when that ending’s in play, and to target any player that has it.

[potterman28wxcv]

Originally posted by majkel2111:

Originally posted by DaBlanka:

What is the problem with disabling hopper's hop in the inner region? There are normally not cards in the inner region, it just really screws up the gauntlet ending.

Good luck with persuading Nomads and the Talisman purists, who do not agree to any changes, even to those which are better for everyone. I personally don't care about the Hopper. I only wonder why to change this, not other more important things. There has been this topic with the alchemist in the City for example, still unresolved (or is it? I haven't been playing for 2 weeks). Anyway Ninja ruins Pandora Box ending, if we are changing the Hopper, shouldn't we change him as well?

Nomad are not board game designers. Yes there are problems with talisman (Hopper + gauntlet, martyr + winner takes all, ninja + end of times...) but it's neither their place nor yours to rebalance it.

This should be in a 5th edition of talisman if need be.

And back on topic, I actually like the fact that there exists combo that allows you to win the game when you have them. In the case of Hopper it's not even character specific. Hopper is not any more powerful than Arnkell, dragonspire tower, great portal, cloak of feathers.. should these be disabled too ?

[Gilga ™ |Yonaguni|]

Originally posted by DaBlanka:

Originally posted by majkel2111:

Talisman is full of this kind of issues like this white bunny of yours. Ninja is getting ridiculously overpowerd when Pandora Box ending is introduced, should his abilities also be turned off?

What is the problem with disabling hopper's hop in the inner region? There are normally not cards in the inner region, it just really screws up the gauntlet ending.

Because its part of the game, Talisman is not created to be balanced, and the chance to get the hopper in a mp game wih the Gauntlet ending ist very rare.

Originally posted by Simon:

Now that you’ve publicised the ‘exploit’ so to speak maybe it’ll become part of the strategy to try to get or steal the Hopper when that ending’s in play, and to target any player that has it.

Nothing new, we discussed this already in the beta time, years ago.

[majkel2111]

Originally posted by potterman28wxcv:

Originally posted by majkel2111:

Good luck with persuading Nomads and the Talisman purists, who do not agree to any changes, even to those which are better for everyone. I personally don't care about the Hopper. I only wonder why to change this, not other more important things. There has been this topic with the alchemist in the City for example, still unresolved (or is it? I haven't been playing for 2 weeks). Anyway Ninja ruins Pandora Box ending, if we are changing the Hopper, shouldn't we change him as well?

Nomad are not board game designers. Yes there are problems with talisman (Hopper + gauntlet, martyr + winner takes all, ninja + end of times...) but it's neither their place nor yours to rebalance it.

Calm down boy, no one is "rebalancing" your precious and pure game. People are only talking here about their ideas, because despite what you are saying, this actually is the right place to do so. I'm not sure if you are familiar with the concpet of Talsiman discussion thread, since you're so eager to lecture others about where their place is.

[potterman28wxcv]

Originally posted by majkel2111:

Originally posted by potterman28wxcv:

Nomad are not board game designers. Yes there are problems with talisman (Hopper + gauntlet, martyr + winner takes all, ninja + end of times...) but it's neither their place nor yours to rebalance it.

Calm down boy, no one is "rebalancing" your precious and pure game. People are only talking here about their ideas, because despite what you are saying, this actually is the right place to do so. I'm not sure if you are familiar with the concpet of Talsiman discussion thread, since you're so eager to lecture others about where their place is.

Sorry, I thought you wanted to rebalance (or ask the devs to rebalance) the game with the message I quoted in my previous message. Since you're not rebalancing anything, it's all good to me :)