My review of this game

[Styxx42]

It is on Super sale currently.
It was 2 dollars and change, and I bought two expansions with it.
Dungeons and City expansion. For a total of about 12 dollars.

I played 17 minutes.
(yes not alot of time but I didn't want to go over the time limit for a refund.)
It is for up to 6 players Super option.

It is fully scripted. Really excellent job on this.

The cards are very well done and high resolution.

Over all it is really well put together.
My issue is how it plays and looks artisically.

BUT
The board is boring. Main board is totally ..Dated for lack of a better discripter. In look and design it just feels OLD. I am old so I know what I am saying. I would like to see if this is the original board with the tired three rectangles to the center.
The sad, you are after the cown of command primary goal. . Well I am a gamer from the 70's and YES that was the cats Mewo back then. But could we not change that up? Vary what we are after to win the game. We do have the decks to randomize this possibly?
I never played this back in the board game era. So I really was experienceing this for the first time.
I was thinking that the board was a randomly drawn (as in drawn from a deck randomly) board
from a deck of cards.

Each DLC added X number of tile cards. Tile cards to me means random setup.

I bought City Deck and Dungeon deck just to see what Characters(Another gripe. Could you please LIST WHAT CHARACTERS YOU GET WITH THE DLC's packs,)
Excellent reivews on City expansion helped me choose to get this with stock game. It would add to the game for sure. Dungeon just sounded like I should have it.


Back to board setup.

Everything is static. What you see today is what you would see the 100th time you played.
Combat does not really make sense for me. It uses a Crafting skill as part of your stat for combat. WTF? CRAFT?
Character choice is.. Ho hum, with a TON of DLC characters but that is not such a bad thing as they are 2 bucks when Not on sale. And as far as I know you don't need the DLC of you are not using. Ergo if Player One wanted to play the EarthMage he could purchase it and play with it. (this I did not confirm so I could be totally wrong, everyone MIGHT need DLC to play. I just assumed you didn't)
That is a plus in my books.
I don't mind that sort of DLC. It serves to line the pockets of the developers while giving gamers new stuff.

Table\Board game view. Terrible. I need to move around. Not look at a picture.
The view or lack there of is basically a static view of a picture. No moving around, no looking at character pieces.
We need more and better options for player characters. Alot of the art is okay but an option to import your on picture into your own game would also help.
You can zoom to a tile to read what it says(each tile can have random events on it). With the City tiles having the most RP element to them because you can purchase spells items etc.
I like this option but again I would rather less statice THIS IS WHAT THIS TILE DOES and perhaps a deck of cards for CITY deck that helps randomize the replay value.


Over all with one turn of game play I shut the game down.
It just was not inetersting or immersded
Super well displayed and scripted but really dated.
Itt needs better clairty on DLC packs. What are the 4 character included in X pack? Don't just say 4 characters. MUHAAA. What ones are they?

It was probably a really good game back in the golden age of board games. Lots of addons to purchase and good support. But today it is really showing it age.
I really wanted to like this game.
Some excellent reviews on this as well.

I requested a Refund.

I will stick with WarHamer Quest 1 Deluxe. It is just more up my alley for old school Adventuring.


This is one of those reivews that I hope I can change with changes to the game.

It needs to change with the times.
It has potential. I see alot of care put into this from the Developers.


But it is just too locked in to old school for my taste.



Cheers and I really do wish you luck with this endevour.

[potterman28wxcv]

Originally posted by Styxx42:

BUT
The board is boring. Main board is totally ..Dated for lack of a better discripter. In look and design it just feels OLD. I am old so I know what I am saying. I would like to see if this is the original board with the tired three rectangles to the center.

If I played chess for only 20 minutes, i would also call it a boring game. It's old but what, Chess is also old, Monopoly is also old, Tennis is old. And people still play and enjoy it.

Originally posted by Styxx42:

The sad, you are after the cown of command primary goal. . Well I am a gamer from the 70's and YES that was the cats Mewo back then. But could we not change that up? Vary what we are after to win the game. We do have the decks to randomize this possibly?

Why would you change this up? What would it bring more? That's how the game is designed, and a non negligible amount of players like it.

On a side note, the goal of the game is to reach the center - but the actual winning conditions vary based on the various endings proposed. For instance one of such ending is "Winner Takes All", whose goal is to defeat the Dungeon Lord instead of going to the center.

Originally posted by Styxx42:

I never played this back in the board game era. So I really was experienceing this for the first time.
I was thinking that the board was a randomly drawn (as in drawn from a deck randomly) board
from a deck of cards.

Each DLC added X number of tile cards. Tile cards to me means random setup.

There is nothing in the description that would make you think you that. Or at least, not of my knowledge. In the screenshots on the store you can see it's pretty much a static terrain (but dynamic gameplay and decks).

Originally posted by Styxx42:

Back to board setup.

Everything is static. What you see today is what you would see the 100th time you played.

How can you judge the replayability of the game when you've played only 20 minutes?

The game is absolutely not static, far from it. Each and every game is different ; in each game you have a different order on the various decks, you don't encounter the same cards, and there is almost never the same situation going on. There is always a twist that makes that particular match different. Throughout my various matches I saw very unique situations and that's part of what keeps me playing.

Originally posted by Styxx42:

Combat does not really make sense for me. It uses a Crafting skill as part of your stat for combat. WTF? CRAFT?

Maybe you noticed that Craft is a stat that also determines the amount of spells you can have. Hence why the word "craft" was chosen. And psychic combat logically uses the same stat. The better wizard you are, the more adept at psychic combat you are. But it's just a word.

Originally posted by Styxx42:

Table\Board game view. Terrible. I need to move around. Not look at a picture.
The view or lack there of is basically a static view of a picture. No moving around, no looking at character peaces.

Yeah that's a board game. I never thought of having a more dynamic view of Talisman Digital Edition, but I like it how it is right now. No fancy animation, you can be fully focused on what's going on. Maximum clarity and visibility.

Originally posted by Styxx42:

We need more and better options for player characters. Alot of the art is okay but an option to import your on picture into your own game would also help.

So you can upload your favorite car picture and play with it online ? I prefer to see an actual warrior art rather than some picture uploaded by someone to be honest. It also helps to distinguish the characters.

Originally posted by Styxx42:

You can zoom to a tile to read what it says(each tile can have random events on it). With the City tiles having the most RP element to them because you can purchase spells items etc.
I like this option but again I would rather less statice THIS IS WHAT THIS TILE DOES and perhaps a deck of cards for CITY deck that helps randomize the replay value.

There is already a deck of cards for City. Each corner area has its own adventure deck. But in one turn I guess you didn't even have the occasion to go to City to experience it ;)

Originally posted by Styxx42:

Over all with one turn of game play I shut the game down.
It just was not inetersting or immersded

I am sorry the game was not inetersting or immersdive enough for you.

Originally posted by Styxx42:

This is one of those reivews that I hope I can change with changes to the game.

I am sorry but I wouldn't like the devs to do any change that you suggested. If you had valid reasons to write all this I wouldn't mind ; but there, you just spent like 1 single turn in the game. You didn't like the game - we get it. It doesn't mean the game is bad, or outdated.

And I'm not even fanboying here. I actually introduced a few young friends of mine (around 25 years old) to the game recently and they love it.

As for the mechanisms : all the devs did was port the game to digital edition. If they chose to change the game mechanisms (introduce random tiles and whatnot) it would not be Talisman anymore.

[Driss]

Talisman was designed 35 years ago, of course it's old fashioned. And "craft" has more than one definition. It is not referring to whittling, or aircraft or craft bear, but craftiness, or mental power as in witchcraft.

[sjgf]

I think that a review based on a quick glance of the board and one Turn of play is not really a fair review or worth very much. I think that Styxx42 had some expectations and preconceptions about the game and when he then loaded it up and started to play it he realised that the game didn't match his expectations and preconceptions so he blamed the game and requested his refund. Thus I think that the game was not the real problem here, it was Styxx42's unrealistic expectations and assumptions that were the real problem.

[Marik]

You come across as a 13 year old. The forums aren't meant for reviews. I don't know what part of you thinks it's a good idea to write a review with 2 DLC. Try again in 5 years when you are an adult and you can maybe make a review that makes sense.

Or maybe you can become a professional 2 DLC reviewer. Has anyone else heard of this huge flop? Yeah, it's this horrible game called Civilization 5. I only have the base game and the Babylon and Korea DLC, but I can tell playing it for an hour that the game is very simple and has outdated mechanics. They did a good job making the characters look nice, though!

[Gilga ™ |Yonaguni|]

Originally posted by Styxx42:

It is on Super sale currently.
It was 2 dollars and change, and I bought two expansions with it.
Dungeons and City expansion. For a total of about 12 dollars.

I played 17 minutes.
(yes not alot of time but I didn't want to go over the time limit for a refund.)
It is for up to 6 players Super option.

Wow, nobody need to create a review for a game that will be refunded, you only played 17 ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ minutes and still have the balls to create a review for this game, and post it on this forum...

BTW.

Op already refunded this game, so can we please remove this thread, since it`s pointless to have an review for a refunded game, thanks.

[LukeP]

This is a troll review, right? It has to be one of the most lacking walls of text I ever read. I'm going to issue OP an invoice for my time wasted reading it.

[☼Desendos☼]

Originally posted by Gilga ™:

Op already refunded this game, so can we please remove this thread, since it`s pointless to have an review for a refunded game, thanks.

Please don't back seat moderate. It is against steam guidelines and external moderators could be around.

If you don't want the post getting attention then don't post on it. OP is entilted to talk about and criticise the game, the general chat is for everyone for anything game related and this counts.

[Gilga ™ |Yonaguni|]

Originally posted by ☼Desendos☼:

Originally posted by Gilga ™:

Op already refunded this game, so can we please remove this thread, since it`s pointless to have an review for a refunded game, thanks.

Please don't back seat moderate. It is against steam guidelines and external moderators could be around.

How is asking to close/remove a thread back seat moderating?

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[☼Desendos☼]

Originally posted by Gilga ™:

How is asking to close/remove a thread back seat moderating?

Use the report button.

[Captain James]

There are pros and cons within the OP's review, but it's a shame that he/she didn't give Talisman more than 17 minutes attention. Playing a game with members of the community would have offered a fun experience and maybe highlighted many of the facets and features that may have been missed in such a short period of time.

Potterman has already given a very fair and reasoned response to many of the points raised here.

I can't begin to fathom the scripting and programming involved to bring Talisman Digital Edition to the fans but Nomad have done an absolutely stunning job in my humble opinion. So much attention has been given to bring the fans a faithful and yet extremely innovative digital version of the game to play.

Like many in the Talisman community, we grew up with the original board game and maybe some of the expansions too. Consequently, the board is exactly how the digital edition of the game should be. I couldn't imagine a more perfect realisation than we have here.

[Spectre]

And chipping in the opinion of someone who never heard of talisman before playing the game, which I didn't actually buy on it's own and just got in a GW-related Humble Bundle, The game is great. OP, you need to give it a chance and actually play the damn thing before you write a miniature essay criticizing it.

[Gilga ™ |Yonaguni|]

Also i would like to add that the Steam refund policy isn`t created to demo games (you`re only allowed when games arn`t running or due false advertising, and none of this is here the case), i just find it really annoying if somebody is writing a long unrelated review, posting it on the game hub, and then is refunding the game. In my eyes this is a exploid and is just causing trouble.

Not to mention that a review with less then 30 minutes of game experience is a complete joke in the case of Talisman, and because of this the review should be terminated, like it happend with OP`s review on the game store.

[potterman28wxcv]

Originally posted by Gilga ™:

Also i would like to add that the Steam refund policy isn`t created to demo games (you`re only allowed when games arn`t running or due false advertising, and none of this is here the case), i just find it really annoying if somebody is writing a long unrelated review, posting it on the game hub, and then is refunding the game. In my eyes this is a exploid and is just causing trouble.

Not to mention that a review with less then 30 minutes of game experience is a complete joke in the case of Talisman, and because of this the review should be terminated, like it happend with OP`s review on the game store.

Why terminate it? It doesn't affect the game overall score, and the in-depth answers that have been given here prove to the potential buyer that the review makes no sense ; and on the contrary, the thread in general emphasizes positive aspects of the game.

[Gilga ™ |Yonaguni|]

Originally posted by potterman28wxcv:

Originally posted by Gilga ™:

Also i would like to add that the Steam refund policy isn`t created to demo games (you`re only allowed when games arn`t running or due false advertising, and none of this is here the case), i just find it really annoying if somebody is writing a long unrelated review, posting it on the game hub, and then is refunding the game. In my eyes this is a exploid and is just causing trouble.

Not to mention that a review with less then 30 minutes of game experience is a complete joke in the case of Talisman, and because of this the review should be terminated, like it happend with OP`s review on the game store.

Why terminate it? It doesn't affect the game overall score, and the in-depth answers that have been given here prove to the potential buyer that the review makes no sense ; and on the contrary, the thread in general emphasizes positive aspects of the game.

It`s just my opinion, Reviews shouldn`t be posted on game hubs, and since the OP refunded Talisman, he should lose the right to review the game.

False reviews and review bombing is a big problem on Steam, that`s why it`s not allowed to post reviews on game hubs/Steam forum at all.

[Marik]

It's not just your opinion. This thread is a joke and it's quite sad that moderators are too lazy to remove it.