Shorter game than the 1st??

[animal_PLANET]

Seems like this may only be around 5 or 6 hours long. I cant believe they took this long to make a sequel that is going to be shorter than the original. Oh boy.

Whichever site you go to they all saying same thing. So I wont bother with any links.

The price will be also be $50. So you basically paying for $10/hr. Hmm, I will def wait for a sale price. Sorry but to wait 7 years for a sequel that is going to be shorter. Just seems a little iffy. Especially a studio under MSFT which obviously has money to burn.

Seems like there was a lot of issues going on behind the scenes. Especially if a game takes 7 years to make thats only around 5-6 hours to play. Ill def wait it out and no longer a day 1 buy for me.

[Kim]

That makes me want this even more. Not everything needs to be a BS game for braindead errands-sidequests addicts.

If they need 5 hours to tell something, that is how much long the game should be.

[KillingArts]

Messaggio originale di animal_PLANET:

The thing of it is this. When discussing the game, they are saying shorter. If they were to have said, the game is a short narrative experience. Than one could say it is around or same length of original. By them saying its a shorter experience, its saying its shorter than the first.

It's completely common phrasing to say something like "we are making shorter games". There doesn't have to be a direct comparison. See how they're doing it here:

https://wccftech.com/ninja-theory-explains-why-hellblade-ii-is-only-eight-hours-long/

Messaggio originale di Ninja Theory:

So it's not really a case of setting out to make shorter experiences.

So I'm really pleased to see that there's a lot of people that actually enjoy a shorter experience

And I'm one of those people, I like shorter games.

This is very common language. Countless more examples here, if you're interested: https://www.reddit.com/r/gaming/comments/sq0uh3/do_you_prefer_longer_or_shorter_games/

Messaggio originale di animal_PLANET:

With that said I am perceiving that it will be shorter and until the game releases we will see what its about.

Sure, nobody knows for sure until it actually releases. The thing is, you definitely implied that it will be shorter than the last game and even told people they pay 10$/h, which is most likely not true, based on the info we have.

Messaggio originale di animal_PLANET:

But if it does end up being shorter. For the 7+ years it took to release. Just doesnt seem worth the money of a full game IMO as I have been saying.

I disagree, but you are of course free to have your own opinion. I will add that as far as I know it will not be full price (I read 50$) as opposed to the common 60-70$ for most new AAA games).

Messaggio originale di animal_PLANET:

Games like Limbo, Vanishing of Ethan Carter, Inside, A way out, etc. I enjoyed all of them. Those are all short, but the asking price is reasonable for just a quick run through with nothing else added to the game.

All great games. But maybe not quite comparable. The value proposition of a game isn't based on just length. Production costs will also be a factor, that can hardly be avoided. Those games only cost a fraction of Hellblade 2's budget. Also, Ethan Carter was 20€ for 4 hours, which was already way too much for the "1$/h faction". So I'm surprised you list it as an example (I agree, though, it was well worth the money).

Messaggio originale di animal_PLANET:

Anyway, its like you are trolling

Funny, I thought the same about you.

Messaggio originale di animal_PLANET:

Not sure why you are always like, yea, but the game length is going to be this. When nobody knows for sure until it releases or the embargo is lifted for reviews.

And I was not sure why you imply the game has a certain length and a certain price per hour when there is no solid evidence for it and you can't really know. Which is what made me respond.

[animal_PLANET]

Messaggio originale di KillingArts:

And I was not sure why you imply the game has a certain length and a certain price per hour when there is no solid evidence for it and you can't really know. Which is what made me respond.

Yea again, You trying to break down my opinion to prove what again? I thought I already explained this multiple times now. You also cutting out parts of my reply about why I am questioning the game's length. Just to make it seem like you are right. However, the game's length is currently not known. What dont you understand here? Here is a fact though. You cant disprove opinions or when someone is questioning something not yet known.

Is there something being lost in translation. Are you using google translate since you are from Germany? Do you not understand how question marks work? Again, did you not see my title of thread?

I dont care what triggered you and your trolled response, but you have honestly added nothing to this discussion.

[Mišmil]

One interesting fact - apparently most gamers dont finish a vaaast majority of their games, there was some interesting stuff in this article if you wanna read:

https://www.ign.com/articles/2014/03/17/gdc-most-players-donat-finish-games

I can tell you as i played a bunch of time-sink single-player games these past few months (Jedi Survivor, Wasteland 2, God of War, Dragons Dogma, Shadow of Tomb Raider, etc.) as i progressed through the game and followed the achievements i noticed the percentage of gamers that have achieved some basic story percentage PLUMMETS around the middle or a third into most of these games...

Length is beside the point, one of my all-time favorites is PoP Warrior Within which can be finished in about 12 hours or so, it is pure gameplay, nothing else but i like it, so i just replay it. Sure, it is a steep price for 8 hours, but i dunno... TIME is the more valuable commodity to me than money, which is why i don't play multiplayer games at all these days, i enjoy the stories.

For those that are into the Money must equal hours spent playing formula - just play multiplayer games, OR choose a bunch of older titles, or just wait a month. Most players just get hyped for that single-player game that has 100s of side-errands only to burnout and never finish it - this is basically the story of Ubisoft's decline.

Shorter adventure games are welcome, but i do think the game should be 40 bucks, 50 is pushing it slightly.

[animal_PLANET]

Messaggio originale di Mišmil:

One interesting fact - apparently most gamers dont finish a vaaast majority of their games, there was some interesting stuff in this article if you wanna read:

https://www.ign.com/articles/2014/03/17/gdc-most-players-donat-finish-games

I can tell you as i played a bunch of time-sink single-player games these past few months (Jedi Survivor, Wasteland 2, God of War, Dragons Dogma, Shadow of Tomb Raider, etc.) as i progressed through the game and followed the achievements i noticed the percentage of gamers that have achieved some basic story percentage PLUMMETS around the middle or a third into most of these games...

Length is beside the point, one of my all-time favorites is PoP Warrior Within which can be finished in about 12 hours or so, it is pure gameplay, nothing else but i like it, so i just replay it. Sure, it is a steep price for 8 hours, but i dunno... TIME is the more valuable commodity to me than money, which is why i don't play multiplayer games at all these days, i enjoy the stories.

For those that are into the Money must equal hours spent playing formula - just play multiplayer games, OR choose a bunch of older titles, or just wait a month. Most players just get hyped for that single-player game that has 100s of side-errands only to burnout and never finish it - this is basically the story of Ubisoft's decline.

Shorter adventure games are welcome, but i do think the game should be 40 bucks, 50 is pushing it slightly.

Well, you really dont need an IGN article to show that. Only 28% of people finished Hellblade looking at global achievements on steam. As short as it was. Many still didnt get past the final battle and the drop in achievements after the first chapter is quite high. So its seems less than half only played past the 1st chapter.

So even though most may say, Yea, shorter is better, but they still arent even finishing games that are 6 hours or less. Was the game not fun for them? Maybe, but as you say, if the game is fun and enjoyable. It doesnt mater how long it is.

As for price, yea of course anyone who doesnt agree there can wait for sale or get from a reseller. But as you say, 50 bucks can be pushing it. So well see how it turns out.

[animal_PLANET]

Well, seems like I was in fact right. The game can be beaten in 5-6 hours.

Yep, i'll def wait for sale or buy from a key seller.

https://www.gamesradar.com/games/action/senuas-saga-hellblade-2-length-how-long-to-beat/