why do people keep comparing this game to games that it isn't like?

女無さん Feb 25 @ 9:08am

Why not? By your logic nothing can be compared because nothing is each other alike 100%.

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Morgrum Feb 25 @ 9:13am

Why ask why try Bud Dry.

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GuNNuP Feb 25 @ 9:16am

Originally posted by Morgrum:
Why ask why try Bud Dry.

It makes you higher.

Originally posted by 女無さん:
Why not? By your logic nothing can be compared because nothing is each other alike 100%.

NO there is games that are made with this formula, that would be DS1-3, and some other action RPGs, people keep comparing it to Sandbox RPGs, then proceeding to complain that the game doesn't have sandbox RPG mechanics. It's like comparing eldenring to mount and blade, and complaining eldenring doesn't have an RTS component.

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女無さん Feb 25 @ 9:25am

Originally posted by GuNNuP:
Originally posted by Morgrum:
Why ask why try Bud Dry.
It makes you higher.

Originally posted by 女無さん:
Why not? By your logic nothing can be compared because nothing is each other alike 100%.
NO there is games that are made with this formula, that would be DS1-3, and some other action RPGs, people keep comparing it to Sandbox RPGs, then proceeding to complain that the game doesn't have sandbox RPG mechanics. It's like comparing eldenring to mount and blade, and complaining eldenring doesn't have an RTS component.

I don't know. I've seen 0 people comparing this to Dark Souls, so many people disagree with you there. I have however seen lots of people comparing it to Skyrim. It was infact the go-to comparison that people went with, including darling publications. Maybe they shot themselves in the foot there.

I don't know why this consensus took hold and no other, but it must be something that resonates within a lot of players. It could also be a round-about way to express disappointment by the lack of *something*. In that sense it could be disingenuous, but the feelings are still there, even if they aren't accurately expressed.

Nevertheless, the players have spoken. A positive review saying this game would have been great had it been released in 2011 have over 800 rewards and 4k helpful ratings. That's almost as many as Avowed has reviews in total.

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Kain Feb 25 @ 9:27am

Because they believe false equivalencies are good examples.

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katzenkrimis has Avowed

Feb 25 @ 9:29am

Originally posted by GuNNuP:

Why do people keep comparing this game to games that it isn't like?

The best games to compare Avowed to are other Obsidian games because Obsidian has a unique writing style that no other developers attempt. Aside from combat and camera views, this game is identical to their previous games.

Busloads of goofy dialogue and voice acting. That's what you get when you buy Obsidian. The Outer Worlds II will be no different.

If you buy oysters, you know exactly what they're going to taste like.

Not everybody likes them.

Last edited by katzenkrimis; Feb 25 @ 9:29am

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Tazor Feb 25 @ 9:31am

Because there is absolutely nothing original about this game? It shamelessly rips off so many things from other games? And it fails to understand what made those things good in the first place?

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Sol4rSky Feb 25 @ 9:33am

I know right? People ran out of things to use to attack a game, so they use these comparisons which are not fair if you're honest. I haven't seen this done to any other title recently, it's mostly done due to the assumption that the game is the wookest of them all, so there needs to be ammunition to attack it with. There are other facts as to why people wanna hate it but in the end it's exaggerated. Funny how a few youtubers and social media giving traction to these comaprissons gets everyone worked out while in reality not many stick around to see that those are different games.

Originally posted by Tazor:
Because there is absolutely nothing original about this game? It shamelessly rips off so many things from other games? And it fails to understand what made those things good in the first place?

That can be said about any game really lol, the only time when this is used negatively is when someone wants to bash a product.

Last edited by Sol4rSky; Feb 25 @ 9:33am

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Traumaturgy Feb 25 @ 9:37am

Dont worry about Bethesda games, when you compare Avowed to mediocre Other worlds, its still quite bad.

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GuNNuP Feb 25 @ 9:39am

Originally posted by Tazor:
Because there is absolutely nothing original about this game? It shamelessly rips off so many things from other games? And it fails to understand what made those things good in the first place?

you can litterally apply that argument to every game, suddenly you'll not have a game to play.

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GuNNuP Feb 25 @ 9:41am

Originally posted by 女無さん:
Originally posted by GuNNuP:
It makes you higher.

NO there is games that are made with this formula, that would be DS1-3, and some other action RPGs, people keep comparing it to Sandbox RPGs, then proceeding to complain that the game doesn't have sandbox RPG mechanics. It's like comparing eldenring to mount and blade, and complaining eldenring doesn't have an RTS component.
I don't know. I've seen 0 people comparing this to Dark Souls, so many people disagree with you there. I have however seen lots of people comparing it to Skyrim. It was infact the go-to comparison that people went with, including darling publications. Maybe they shot themselves in the foot there.

I don't know why this consensus took hold and no other, but it must be something that resonates within a lot of players. It could also be a round-about way to express disappointment by the lack of *something*. In that sense it could be disingenuous, but the feelings are still there, even if they aren't accurately expressed.

Nevertheless, the players have spoken. A positive review saying this game would have been great had it been released in 2011 have over 800 rewards and 4k helpful ratings. That's almost as many as Avowed has reviews in total.

The structure and quest design is pretty much 1 to 1 of other action RPGs... Like darksouls, lies of Pi.

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Valfossa Feb 25 @ 9:49am

Originally posted by Kain:
Because they believe false equivalencies are good examples.

Who started the false equivalencies, gamers or game journalists?

https://web.archive.org/web/20241118024826/https://venturebeat.com/games/avowed-hands-on-scratching-the-skyrim-itch-with-style/

https://web.archive.org/web/20250223213044/https://www.thegamer.com/avowed-the-elder-scrolls-5-skyrim-combat-better/

https://web.archive.org/web/20241123030423/https://www.escapistmagazine.com/obsidians-avowed-is-the-smaller-scaled-skyrim-i-didnt-know-i-needed/

https://web.archive.org/web/20250221074305/https://www.siliconera.com/review-avowed-feels-like-a-miniature-welcoming-skyrim/

https://comicbook.com/gaming/news/avowed-review-xbox-pc/

https://web.archive.org/web/20250214045803/https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/rs-gaming/avowed-xbox-review-1235265673/

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女無さん Feb 25 @ 9:50am

Originally posted by GuNNuP:
Originally posted by 女無さん:
I don't know. I've seen 0 people comparing this to Dark Souls, so many people disagree with you there. I have however seen lots of people comparing it to Skyrim. It was infact the go-to comparison that people went with, including darling publications. Maybe they shot themselves in the foot there.

I don't know why this consensus took hold and no other, but it must be something that resonates within a lot of players. It could also be a round-about way to express disappointment by the lack of *something*. In that sense it could be disingenuous, but the feelings are still there, even if they aren't accurately expressed.

Nevertheless, the players have spoken. A positive review saying this game would have been great had it been released in 2011 have over 800 rewards and 4k helpful ratings. That's almost as many as Avowed has reviews in total.
The structure and quest design is pretty much 1 to 1 of other action RPGs... Like darksouls, lies of Pi.

You missed my point. It may very well be similar, so maybe people's comparisons are unjustified logically speaking.
But they still *feel* Avowed is disappointing. Why? Why is the post popular review comparing it negatively to games from 2011? Where is the player base to refute it? If it's not the consensus then surely other voices will eventually drown it out as more and more try it and realize that it has it's own merits. (It's $1 on gamepass, it has a very low barrier to entry)
Yet this isn't happening. Why?

Market researchers ask these questions and look at data for a living. They don't get angry when the data doesn't align with their preconceived frameworks.

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GuNNuP Feb 25 @ 9:52am

Originally posted by 女無さん:
Originally posted by GuNNuP:
The structure and quest design is pretty much 1 to 1 of other action RPGs... Like darksouls, lies of Pi.
You missed my point. It may very well be similar, so maybe people's comparisons are unjustified logically speaking.
But they still *feel* Avowed is disappointing. Why? Why is the post popular review comparing it negatively to games from 2011? Where is the player base to refute it? If it's not the consensus then surely other voices will eventually drown it out as more and more try it and realize that it has it's own merits. (It's $1 on gamepass, it has a very low barrier to entry)
Yet this isn't happening. Why?

Market researchers ask these questions and look at data for a living. They don't get angry when the data doesn't align with their preconceived frameworks.

I would have loved if instead they limited budget several years ago, they decided to go AAA in funding. But that didn't happen.

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女無さん Feb 25 @ 9:53am

Originally posted by GuNNuP:
Originally posted by 女無さん:
You missed my point. It may very well be similar, so maybe people's comparisons are unjustified logically speaking.
But they still *feel* Avowed is disappointing. Why? Why is the post popular review comparing it negatively to games from 2011? Where is the player base to refute it? If it's not the consensus then surely other voices will eventually drown it out as more and more try it and realize that it has it's own merits. (It's $1 on gamepass, it has a very low barrier to entry)
Yet this isn't happening. Why?

Market researchers ask these questions and look at data for a living. They don't get angry when the data doesn't align with their preconceived frameworks.
I would have loved if instead they limited budget several years ago, they decided to go AAA in funding. But that didn't happen.

Lots of people probably would have, we all want better games.
But I don't see how this is pertinent to the original question. Though if I answered it for you then I'm glad.

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Avowed

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