Yakuza has 2x player numbers. Yikes.

[Jacob]

Also beat top concurrent players, despite being released on both Playstation and Xbox for premium price. Funny Japanese pirate game with half the hype and a quarter of the budget, with the studio working on at least three other games simultaneously is embarrassing for Obsidian, considering the companies are of similar stature. I guess Yakuza is a good example of devs who keep their mouths shut and work on their game instead of talking bad about their customers.

[Berestow]

Originally posted by Jacob:

Originally posted by Berestow:

Why are you asking us about Microsoft tactics?
Why their put Indiana to 40? Why starfield is 100? Why avowed is 70? Ara: History Untold is 60? Why Age of Mythology: Retold is only 30?
Why Senua 50? Why Forza 70? Minecraft Legends 40? Psychonauts 2 60? Why they changed gamepass pricing and release system overall?
Why their laid off Tango? Can you give us link to similar discussion system in gamepass that avaivable to everyone?

Why am I asking? Because I didn't bring up Game Pass and don't see how it's relevant in a forum for Steam games, charging full price for a game that isn't worth it.

You dumb or pretending?
http://prntscr.com/RdOdmheZsXnu
They putting these games as face of Gamepass, i wonder why.
How is what PUBLISHER and OWNER doing is relevant to game pricing?
Oh no, 12k players. https://steamdb.info/app/2677660/charts/
https://www.reddit.com/r/Games/comments/1howmdp/indiana_jones_and_the_great_circle_was_successful/
https://gamerant.com/indiana-jones-and-the-great-circle-total-players-january-2025/

[Jacob]

Originally posted by Grimno:

Originally posted by Jacob:

If you're stuck in the forums, trying to convince people the mediocre game is great, then it's a good look if you were actually playing it.


No one proves me wrong, just personal attacks.

How is it a personal attack. I was simply giving a suggestion.
You really gotta stop playing the victim, it's not a good look and really waters down your own arguments.

You talk as if people don't have a single idea of what "implications" are.

[Ceilingcat]

Originally posted by tmaddox:

Good for it. I am happy when games do well.

When comparing though we must not overlook the fact that Avowed is available on Game Pass and the new Yakuza game is not.

So it's still not an apples to apples comparison on the steam version.

Im actually holding off on buying pirate yakuza because every single yakuza game is out on game pass so far.

[Jacob]

Originally posted by Berestow:

Originally posted by Jacob:

Why am I asking? Because I didn't bring up Game Pass and don't see how it's relevant in a forum for Steam games, charging full price for a game that isn't worth it.

You dumb or pretending?
http://prntscr.com/RdOdmheZsXnu
They putting these games as face of Gamepass, i wonder why.
How is what PUBLISHER and OWNER doing is relevant to game pricing?
Oh no, 12k players. https://steamdb.info/app/2677660/charts/
https://www.reddit.com/r/Games/comments/1howmdp/indiana_jones_and_the_great_circle_was_successful/
https://gamerant.com/indiana-jones-and-the-great-circle-total-players-january-2025/

If people are willing to pay 12 bucks for Avowed compared to 70 bucks, that means that people aren't gonna be willing to buy it for 70. So why are you arguing for Game Pass on Steam, where the only way to buy it is for 70 bucks?

[Jacob]

Originally posted by Ceilingcat:

Originally posted by tmaddox:

Good for it. I am happy when games do well.

When comparing though we must not overlook the fact that Avowed is available on Game Pass and the new Yakuza game is not.

So it's still not an apples to apples comparison on the steam version.

Im actually holding off on buying pirate yakuza because every single yakuza game is out on game pass so far.

Yeah, I don't blame you. If you have it, why not use it if/when it does come to Game Pass?

[ko]

Avowed is €70, with no other price options for a Steam key.

Pirate Yakuza is €60 on Steam and I could buy it right now for €42 if I wanted (not my kind of game though).

This alone will make Pirate Yakuza sell more copies than Avowed and have more concurrent players. Pirate Yakuza is probably more fun for the average player as well. It has charm and wit, something Avowed's soulless writing lacks.

[Inflammatory]

Originally posted by Jacob:

Originally posted by Berestow:

You dumb or pretending?
http://prntscr.com/RdOdmheZsXnu
They putting these games as face of Gamepass, i wonder why.
How is what PUBLISHER and OWNER doing is relevant to game pricing?
Oh no, 12k players. https://steamdb.info/app/2677660/charts/
https://www.reddit.com/r/Games/comments/1howmdp/indiana_jones_and_the_great_circle_was_successful/
https://gamerant.com/indiana-jones-and-the-great-circle-total-players-january-2025/

If people are willing to pay 12 bucks for Avowed compared to 70 bucks, that means that people aren't gonna be willing to buy it for 70. So why are you arguing for Game Pass on Steam, where the only way to buy it is for 70 bucks?

why are you arguing on steam about a game you don't own on steam

[Jacob]

Originally posted by Inflammatory:

Originally posted by Jacob:

If people are willing to pay 12 bucks for Avowed compared to 70 bucks, that means that people aren't gonna be willing to buy it for 70. So why are you arguing for Game Pass on Steam, where the only way to buy it is for 70 bucks?

why are you arguing on steam about a game you don't own on steam

Because the price proposition for this game isn't worth it. And these forums are a good indicator of customer sentiments. I was gonna buy the game on Steam, until I saw how mediocre it is. Watching people say that this game was made for Game Pass (which sells for 12 bucks) then defending the idea of selling it for 70 bucks elsewhere and people shouldn't care is ridiculous to me.

[Inflammatory]

it's actually good

[Cajun Rabbit]

Originally posted by Jacob:

Originally posted by tmaddox:

Good for it. I am happy when games do well.

When comparing though we must not overlook the fact that avowed is available on Game Pass and the new Yakuza game is not.

So it's still not an apples to apples comparison on the steam version.

How is Microsoft making money from Avowed if it's on Game Pass? How many people are purchasing a subscription for/renewing their subscription for Game Pass solely for Avowed?

your trying to see black and white... when there are 1000 different shades between the two.

Without direct numbers to show its a guessing game... but im willing to hedge bets that they had an influx of subscribers for Avowed... people who didnt want to drop 69.99 buying the game, but are interested, 10 dollars is an attractive number and you get an entire month to decide.

Very "low pressure" sales pitch. Once you sign up, they got ya... most people dont just unsubscribe... they have a HUGE library of really good games, the 10 dollar a month cost seems trivial for what they offer, and most people stay subbed.

Secondly Microsoft is not "Selling" a game licence when they use the gamepass, they are basically renting it out. Much smaller costs associated with temporary licences. Thus Microsoft keeps MOST of that 10-20 a month from subscribers.

its way more complicated then my simplistic explanation, but you get the jist. Microsoft is doing just fine.

[Cajun Rabbit]

Originally posted by Jacob:

Originally posted by Inflammatory:

why are you arguing on steam about a game you don't own on steam

Because the price proposition for this game isn't worth it. And these forums are a good indicator of customer sentiments. I was gonna buy the game on Steam, until I saw how mediocre it is. Watching people say that this game was made for Game Pass (which sells for 12 bucks) then defending the idea of selling it for 70 bucks elsewhere and people shouldn't care is ridiculous to me.

the forums are actually a very POOR indicator of customer sentiments.


a good indicator - The steam Rating. Which is Very Positive.

[Ele]

When their argument is: "plenty of people(no soruce btw) is playing it for nearly free on gp" you know it flopped. Rejoyce.

[archonsod]

Originally posted by Jacob:

How am I ignorant, uninformed and stupid?

Games of 'similar stature'?
Yakuza is one of Sega's flagship franchises. It's sold 27.7 million. It is nowhere near equivalent to Obsidian (100 employees, vs 300+ for RGG) or the Pillars of Eternity franchise (which at a generous guess, has around 3 million sales). Pirate Yakuza also had about the same budget as Avowed, but quite importantly re-uses a whole lot of assets from Infinite Wealth.

Originally posted by Jacob:

I find it hilarious that no one is these forums is actively playing Avowed yet I'm actively playing Yakuza. You say the game is good but don't wanna play it.

It's 3PM here. I am technically at work. Though I'll probably be playing Yakuza tonight (if I can tear myself away from Alex Kidd I might even get somewhere) and Avowed tomorrow. Next week I expect to be playing Monster Hunter Wilds. Funny thing about the PC, I can play more than one game at a time (though not at the same time. Unless I really want a challenge).

[Berestow]

Originally posted by Jacob:

Originally posted by Berestow:

You dumb or pretending?
http://prntscr.com/RdOdmheZsXnu
They putting these games as face of Gamepass, i wonder why.
How is what PUBLISHER and OWNER doing is relevant to game pricing?
Oh no, 12k players. https://steamdb.info/app/2677660/charts/
https://www.reddit.com/r/Games/comments/1howmdp/indiana_jones_and_the_great_circle_was_successful/
https://gamerant.com/indiana-jones-and-the-great-circle-total-players-january-2025/

If people are willing to pay 12 bucks for Avowed compared to 70 bucks, that means that people aren't gonna be willing to buy it for 70. So why are you arguing for Game Pass on Steam, where the only way to buy it is for 70 bucks?

You dumb or what? Who put 70 price? Microsoft. Why they put 70? Why Psychonauts 2 60? MAYBE. ONLY MAYBE. If you will try using something inside your head, you could try similar patter across all companies with "subscription services". And MAYBE in THEIR heads forcing people to use subscription are better in overall?
MAYBE they thinking they are similar to netflix, twitch and youtube? https://screenrant.com/xbox-game-pass-ultimate-price-day-one-releases/

[Q-efx]

Originally posted by Jacob:

Originally posted by tmaddox:

Good for it. I am happy when games do well.

When comparing though we must not overlook the fact that avowed is available on Game Pass and the new Yakuza game is not.

So it's still not an apples to apples comparison on the steam version.

How is Microsoft making money from Avowed if it's on Game Pass? How many people are purchasing a subscription for/renewing their subscription for Game Pass solely for Avowed?

Yes, ms is burning money right. Ow on game pass.

They either will keep raising the price or hope it scales to enough people where they can pay for development of their own games and no need to pay per download/ play