This game proves that obsidian is not better than bethesda

BrotherMurus Feb 21 @ 8:09am

Originally posted by Sgt.JESUS:
Come on Skyrim is old, the modders saved that game, i couldnt play that game without a ton of mods changing combat a lot so i couldnt one shot a dragon, but they cant save the godawful main story, like Oblivion main story was sh-it too, someone already pointed this out, its writen by 3 year olds.

This is a comparsion of gameplay features provide by the engine, not a comparsion of quality of both games.

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Zhorge Feb 21 @ 8:14am

Originally posted by Valec:
No it doesn't.

The Obsidian claim to fame is the incredibly buggy (far buggier on release than anything Bethesda has ever done) GLORIFIED MOD Fallout: New Vegas. It had a great story but it took MONTH for it to become slightly stable and probably a year or two before New Vegas bugs were all worked out. In fact, New Vegas was so bad that it corrupted saves and destroyed progress. I still have hundreds of hours in the game though I never completed it.

That's their peak; 15-years ago. It's been downhill ever since. Even their best release post FO:NV (PoE) was kind of boring and cliche' and I gave up after 13 hours.

I did go back for a bite at the apple with The Outer Worlds. Short main campaign (about 12 hours) and 25 hours in total to complete it. It had a lot of bugs. Oh, plus that massive, game ending bug that EVERYONE had and had to be emergency patched. I tried to replay it, but it had no real replay value.

Meanwhile:

Daggerfall: Hundreds of hours, lots of it just wandering around.
Morrowind: Probably a thousand hours as I replayed it multiple times with different classes.
Oblivion: Played it to completion plus the expansions plus completioniist... 125+ hours.
Skyrim: About 400+ hours.

Fallout 3: Completed the game, have played it heavily modded a couple of more times.
Fallout 4: I've played it through multiple times. Probably 500+ hours.

Starfield: I know a lot of people didn't like it. Probably the weakest Bethesda game since Arena which was a flop. Still it sold millions and millions of copes and had 300,000+ concurrent on Steam despite the disappointment. I have 600+ hours because I decided to go through the 10 rebirths to get ultimate starter ship.

Other games of note that were good were KOTOR 2 and NWN2, both follow-up projects in universes created by BioWare.

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BrotherMurus Feb 21 @ 8:18am

Originally posted by Zhorge:
The Obsidian claim to fame is the incredibly buggy (far buggier on release than anything Bethesda has ever done) GLORIFIED MOD Fallout: New Vegas. It had a great story but it took MONTH for it to become slightly stable and probably a year or two before New Vegas bugs were all worked out. In fact, New Vegas was so bad that it corrupted saves and destroyed progress. I still have hundreds of hours in the game though I never completed it.

That's their peak; 15-years ago. It's been downhill ever since. Even their best release post FO:NV (PoE) was kind of boring and cliche' and I gave up after 13 hours.

You Bethesda fanbois are mad that FNV fans looked down on F3 fans for many years, now it's you chance for vengeance!

Last edited by BrotherMurus; Feb 21 @ 8:19am

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IDreamOfWires Feb 21 @ 8:25am

Current day Bethesda vs. current day Obsidian is not a fight I have much interest in. Neither studio has many of the developers that made their classic games still employed there.

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Zhorge Feb 21 @ 8:26am

Originally posted by ahsaP:
Originally posted by Imagine Playing On PS5:
They're both past their prime, incapable of competing with rpg's that are being released nowadays.
Obsidian is not as washed out as Bethesda, the people who are washed out is the gaming community. I get not giving this title the mantle of GOTY, but it is worthy of a top RPG slot for me this year already. Starfield was worthy of an uninstall.

The last good game Obsidian made was GLORIFIED MOD of Fallout 3. The story was good, but it was far buggier any Bethesda game. And the bugs destoryed my play through so I never finished. I did try, a couple of times to replay it. But I generally lose interest after getting Boone at NOVAC.

I tried PoE, it was boring and I uninstalled after 13.5 hours.
I managed to play The Outer Worlds to the end and was massively disappointed in the shortness, the linear plot and the poor writing coupled with game ending bugs.
I played Grounded just long enough that I couldn't get a refund.

I watched some streamers play this. Saved me the aggravation of getting a refund.

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Zhorge Feb 21 @ 8:30am

Originally posted by BrotherMurus:
Originally posted by Zhorge:
The Obsidian claim to fame is the incredibly buggy (far buggier on release than anything Bethesda has ever done) GLORIFIED MOD Fallout: New Vegas. It had a great story but it took MONTH for it to become slightly stable and probably a year or two before New Vegas bugs were all worked out. In fact, New Vegas was so bad that it corrupted saves and destroyed progress. I still have hundreds of hours in the game though I never completed it.

That's their peak; 15-years ago. It's been downhill ever since. Even their best release post FO:NV (PoE) was kind of boring and cliche' and I gave up after 13 hours.

You Bethesda fanbois are mad that FNV fans looked down on F3 fans for many years, now it's you chance for vengeance!

Let me guess, you're part of the 54% with a 6th grade reading level. I loved FO:NV, the problem was the bugs were so bad and quests so buggy that my progress was destroyed in New Vegas.

I have tried to replay it a few times, and made some significant progress, but the last couple of times I haven't been able to keep playing once I get Boone at NOVAC before I get bored.

The problem is I KNOW THE PLOT well into the game There's no surprise, just grind...

And, yes, was a glorified mod. Bethesda engine, Bethesda assets, Bethesda control.

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Berestow Feb 21 @ 8:31am

Originally posted by Zhorge:
Originally posted by Valec:
No it doesn't.

(far buggier on release than anything Bethesda has ever done)

Fallout 76? Bugs from release in current Fallout 4? Bugs from release in current Skyrim?

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Feb 21 @ 8:31am

Originally posted by Zhorge:
Originally posted by ahsaP:
Obsidian is not as washed out as Bethesda, the people who are washed out is the gaming community. I get not giving this title the mantle of GOTY, but it is worthy of a top RPG slot for me this year already. Starfield was worthy of an uninstall.

The last good game Obsidian made was GLORIFIED MOD of Fallout 3. The story was good, but it was far buggier any Bethesda game. And the bugs destoryed my play through so I never finished. I did try, a couple of times to replay it. But I generally lose interest after getting Boone at NOVAC.

I tried PoE, it was boring and I uninstalled after 13.5 hours.
I managed to play The Outer Worlds to the end and was massively disappointed in the shortness, the linear plot and the poor writing coupled with game ending bugs.
I played Grounded just long enough that I couldn't get a refund.

I watched some streamers play this. Saved me the aggravation of getting a refund.

damn dude. sounds like you just don't like obsidian games. that's fine, there are lots of other games out there you can enjoy.

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BrotherMurus Feb 21 @ 8:38am

Originally posted by Zhorge:

Let me guess, you're part of the 54% with a 6th grade reading level. I loved FO:NV, the problem was the bugs were so bad and quests so buggy that my progress was destroyed in New Vegas.

You guessed wrong, take the hint, I agreed with you, it was a joke about the long history between the two camps, you can't deny that FNV was touted as the better one of new Fallout for a very long time and hence Obsidian was the better studio :)

You are right about the bugs, it took me two years to just play the game smoothly,

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patrick68794 Feb 21 @ 8:40am

Originally posted by admiral1018:
Did any of the people posting these videos all over now ever play Skyrim? The game was buggy as hell, and the combat was a mess. Yeah, those little interactions are fun, but what's more important is the other 98% of actual gameplay. There's a reason mods have pretty much been a requirement to enjoy Skyrim for the last decade.

This isn't damage control for Avowed, BTW, it's just pointing out this bizarre cherry picking of features that make a terribly performing Bethesda game suddenly look like a masterpiece. For years, Skyrim was looked at as the example of how NOT to release a game -- focus on small details while having broken or poor key mechanics and gameplay systems at release.

Yeah, what was the most award winning game of all time when it released and is one of the top 10 best selling and most loved games of all time sure isn't a masterpiece lol

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Berestow Feb 21 @ 8:44am

Originally posted by patrick68794:
Originally posted by admiral1018:
Did any of the people posting these videos all over now ever play Skyrim? The game was buggy as hell, and the combat was a mess. Yeah, those little interactions are fun, but what's more important is the other 98% of actual gameplay. There's a reason mods have pretty much been a requirement to enjoy Skyrim for the last decade.

This isn't damage control for Avowed, BTW, it's just pointing out this bizarre cherry picking of features that make a terribly performing Bethesda game suddenly look like a masterpiece. For years, Skyrim was looked at as the example of how NOT to release a game -- focus on small details while having broken or poor key mechanics and gameplay systems at release.
Yeah, what was the most award winning game of all time when it released and is one of the top 10 best selling and most loved games of all time sure isn't a masterpiece lol

TLOU 2 have many awards, so everyone loved this game, right?
Astrobot?
Emilia Pérez - is good film since there are bunch of awards, right?

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admiral1018 Feb 21 @ 8:46am

Originally posted by patrick68794:
Originally posted by admiral1018:
Did any of the people posting these videos all over now ever play Skyrim? The game was buggy as hell, and the combat was a mess. Yeah, those little interactions are fun, but what's more important is the other 98% of actual gameplay. There's a reason mods have pretty much been a requirement to enjoy Skyrim for the last decade.

This isn't damage control for Avowed, BTW, it's just pointing out this bizarre cherry picking of features that make a terribly performing Bethesda game suddenly look like a masterpiece. For years, Skyrim was looked at as the example of how NOT to release a game -- focus on small details while having broken or poor key mechanics and gameplay systems at release.
Yeah, what was the most award winning game of all time when it released and is one of the top 10 best selling and most loved games of all time sure isn't a masterpiece lol

And no one plays it without mods because the game. as released, was terribly buggy with junk mechanics. I agree, it's a great game now, but that's more on an amazing modding community than Bethesda.

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patrick68794 Feb 21 @ 8:47am

Originally posted by Berestow:
Originally posted by patrick68794:
Yeah, what was the most award winning game of all time when it released and is one of the top 10 best selling and most loved games of all time sure isn't a masterpiece lol
TLOU 2 have many awards, so everyone loved this game, right?
Astrobot?
Emilia Pérez - is good film since there are bunch of awards, right?

Why are you making such a disingenuous argument? You know very well that I didn't say "everyone loved Skyrim because it won a bunch of awards"

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patrick68794 Feb 21 @ 8:47am

Originally posted by admiral1018:
Originally posted by patrick68794:
Yeah, what was the most award winning game of all time when it released and is one of the top 10 best selling and most loved games of all time sure isn't a masterpiece lol

And no one plays it without mods because the game. as released, was terribly buggy with junk mechanics. I agree, it's a great game now, but that's more on an amazing modding community than Bethesda.

Incorrect. It was praised as one of the greatest games of all time on consoles too along with being one of the most played and best selling games on both Xbox 360 and PS3, where it didn't have mod support.

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Berestow Feb 21 @ 8:54am

Originally posted by patrick68794:
Originally posted by Berestow:
TLOU 2 have many awards, so everyone loved this game, right?
Astrobot?
Emilia Pérez - is good film since there are bunch of awards, right?
Why are you making such a disingenuous argument? You know very well that I didn't say "everyone loved Skyrim because it won a bunch of awards"

Because your argument is trash?

How many people actually played skyrim? Do you can't every person who bought game as player? What if someone bought VR version and normal version? Does it counts as 2 players? Wait, some people were given free updates. It makes up to 3 players, right?

Will you show information about played hours on PS3 and XBOX?
There are instructions how to install mods on PS3 version at least from 2012.

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Avowed

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