Why bother stoking culture war stuff? Let the game succeed or fail on is own?

[(つ P_P )つ Give DIRETIDE]

Like seriously Bg 3 was "Woker" than just about any modern rpg other than Veilguard and did amazing, because it was a good game.

Bad games can prove they are bad without people trying to create a culture war around them. If anything this culture war stuff will let studios make excuses and shift the blame for how bad their games are. Feels like we're reaching horseshoe theory territory now.

[Instigator]

Because the culture war is meant to infect every facet of your life. It has nothing to do with video games, really, it's just meant to infect your brain so that you feel you have to fight 50% of your peers.

In reality, game is good or bad on its own. This one is not my cup of tea, but not because of some culture war crap, but because I think it's shallow and uninspired.

I miss the Obsidian that gave us FO:NV, but who doesn't?

[HowyDarko]

BG3 wasn't woke.. what's woke about avowed is the whole situation about the Art director

[Excalibur(Fate)]

It peaked at 17 players. It failed already...

[(つ P_P )つ Give DIRETIDE]

Originally posted by Instigator:

Because the culture war is meant to infect every facet of your life. It has nothing to do with video games, really, it's just meant to infect your brain so that you feel you have to fight 50% of your peers.

In reality, game is good or bad on its own. This one is not my cup of tea, but not because of some culture war crap, but because I think it's shallow and uninspired.

I miss the Obsidian that gave us FO:NV, but who doesn't?

The Store page is just really odd, you cant even tell who the companions are or what character building is like. the whole thing almost feels like an asset flip. What the hell happened here?

[kavinh]

Originally posted by (つ P_P )つ Give DIRETIDE:

Like seriously Bg 3 was "Woker" than just about any modern rpg other than Veilguard and did amazing, because it was a good game.

Bad games can prove they are bad without people trying to create a culture war around them. If anything this culture war stuff will let studios make excuses and shift the blame for how bad their games are. Feels like we're reaching horseshoe theory territory now.

BG3 isn't woke it just had options, woke games have dei consultants and POS like this racist art director who wants everyone who doesn't agree with them dead. People wouldn't have os much backlash if the far-left didn't try it first with hogwarts legacy and doxing FNAF's dev for doing the horrible crime of donating to a republican.

[Instigator]

Originally posted by (つ P_P )つ Give DIRETIDE:

Originally posted by Instigator:

Because the culture war is meant to infect every facet of your life. It has nothing to do with video games, really, it's just meant to infect your brain so that you feel you have to fight 50% of your peers.

In reality, game is good or bad on its own. This one is not my cup of tea, but not because of some culture war crap, but because I think it's shallow and uninspired.

I miss the Obsidian that gave us FO:NV, but who doesn't?

The Store page is just really odd, you cant even tell who the companions are or what character building is like. the whole thing almost feels like an asset flip. What the hell happened here?

A meandering development cycle where executives forced the game to be designed as multiplayer, despite the studio specializing in SP RPGs, then flipping from live service MP to singleplayer without proper redesign or reassessment of mechanics, is my best guess.

[(つ P_P )つ Give DIRETIDE]

Originally posted by HowyDarko:

BG3 wasn't woke.. what's woke about avowed is the whole situation about the Art director

My brother in Selune Bg 3 has a Marble married lesbian demigod. Not to mention one of the Companions is a twink. + the whole story is a giant allegory for abortion. if its not "woke" im not sure what "woke" is.

Whats up with the Avowed art director other than making game that looks like a soulless divinity original sin 2?

[Termix]

Originally posted by (つ P_P )つ Give DIRETIDE:

Bad games can prove they are bad without people trying to create a culture war around them. If anything this culture war stuff will let studios make excuses and shift the blame for how bad their games are. Feels like we're reaching horseshoe theory territory now.

People tried to create a culture war?
I think you should google what Matt Hansen, who still works for Obsidian said and then come back that "gamers" created the culture war.

Furthermore the game already pulled in less than impressive numbers (17.490 peak CCU), which is ~20% of Veilguard's peak CCU or if you compare it to Starfield's 330.000 roughly 5% and Starfield was on Gamepass as well.

I played it and I don't think it's necessary to talk about what Matt Hansen started, the game kinda falls flat on its own merits.
It's imho missing so much that earlier games like Skyrim had, from destructible items, over guards reacting to attacks, to catching fish, being able to kill NPCs and general attention to detail, which leads me to the conclusion that this isn't for me, but since I played it on Gamepass, that's fine.

[Termix]

Originally posted by (つ P_P )つ Give DIRETIDE:

Whats up with the Avowed art director other than making game that looks like a soulless divinity original sin 2?

https://steamcommunity.com/app/2457220/discussions/0/4638240322751596552/

You just could've googled and found more...

[horseheim3905]

"The culture war" is providing the only entertaining value this game has.

[(つ P_P )つ Give DIRETIDE]

Originally posted by kavinh:

Originally posted by (つ P_P )つ Give DIRETIDE:

Like seriously Bg 3 was "Woker" than just about any modern rpg other than Veilguard and did amazing, because it was a good game.

Bad games can prove they are bad without people trying to create a culture war around them. If anything this culture war stuff will let studios make excuses and shift the blame for how bad their games are. Feels like we're reaching horseshoe theory territory now.

BG3 isn't woke it just had options, woke games have dei consultants and POS like this racist art director who wants everyone who doesn't agree with them dead. People wouldn't have os much backlash if the far-left didn't try it first with hogwarts legacy and doxing FNAF's dev for doing the horrible crime of donating to a republican.

Huh games don't have "DEI" consultants. Studios might as DEI is a corporate team building tool that's meant to placate workers. You might be confusing DEI with something else. If you mean something like a diversity consultant, that's a bad sign as it means the Dev team isn't naturally diverse.

[di Medici]

Originally posted by (つ P_P )つ Give DIRETIDE:

Originally posted by kavinh:

BG3 isn't woke it just had options, woke games have dei consultants and POS like this racist art director who wants everyone who doesn't agree with them dead. People wouldn't have os much backlash if the far-left didn't try it first with hogwarts legacy and doxing FNAF's dev for doing the horrible crime of donating to a republican.

Huh games don't have "DEI" consultants. Studios might as DEI is a corporate team building tool that's meant to placate workers. You might be confusing DEI with something else. If you mean something like a diversity consultant, that's a bad sign as it means the Dev team isn't naturally diverse.

Why does it need to be naturally diverse? Let them be naturally skilfull and talented instead.

[(つ P_P )つ Give DIRETIDE]

Originally posted by di Medici:

Originally posted by (つ P_P )つ Give DIRETIDE:

Huh games don't have "DEI" consultants. Studios might as DEI is a corporate team building tool that's meant to placate workers. You might be confusing DEI with something else. If you mean something like a diversity consultant, that's a bad sign as it means the Dev team isn't naturally diverse.

Why does it need to be naturally diverse? Let them be naturally skilfull and talented instead.

Because if you hire the best people and don't exclude people based on non work relevant things then your team will naturally be diverse.

Thats the whole point of diversity training.

[50 Shades of Gandalf the Grey]

Originally posted by (つ P_P )つ Give DIRETIDE:

Originally posted by HowyDarko:

BG3 wasn't woke.. what's woke about avowed is the whole situation about the Art director

My brother in Selune Bg 3 has a Marble married lesbian demigod. Not to mention one of the Companions is a twink. + the whole story is a giant allegory for abortion. if its not "woke" im not sure what "woke" is.

Whats up with the Avowed art director other than making game that looks like a soulless divinity original sin 2?

Because woke isn't gay people existing. It's forcing a failed, toxic, divisive, anti0reality ideology down the throats of the unwilling, and then attacking anyone who resists until they submit. No one cares about gay people existing and living their best lives. You have been deceived.

[❀Eden❀]

-BG3 isn't woke
-How not noticing bad games have helped you till this point?
Ignoring Something Will Not Solve The Problem! It's been how many years of ignoring since ME: Andromeda? They just keep coming and coming. There were many games before to choose from. Now it's one game / few months. So it became about getting something to play or getting nothing to play. Wokers have ruined my favorite game franchise, how many ruined there will be in the future?