(Opinion) Why Avowed is doing so badly.

[FiftyKal]

Okay I'll start by saying I didn't even know this game was coming out and it was on my wish list. I found out it was out today after seeing Asmongold's "Microsoft is actually f*cked.." video.

The reason I didn't see it was that after "Dragon Age Vielguard" I blocked the LGBTQ+ Tag on steam for games going forward.
And while I think Avowed is not really a Woke disaster like other games, it's still definitely has LGBTQ+ & some woke elements.
So like me many steam players that don't want to bother with politics etc have probably just blocked the Tags to not even bother, and while they may have enjoyed this game as it looks like those Ideologies are present but not forced in this Game they will never even know about it.

Basically what I'm saying is that Woke has gone too far, and now the swing is coming back, while people may have been fine with a few woke things in games before if the game was good now they won't even look at a game if there is a hint of Woke/LGBTQ+ in a Game.

So it will be interesting to what happens to the Industry going forward.

[Rattlehead99]

Originally posted by Rattlehead99:

Originally posted by FiftyKal:

Okay I'll start by saying I didn't even know this game was coming out and it was on my wish list. I found out it was out today after seeing Asmongold's "Microsoft is actually f*cked.." video.

The reason I didn't see it was that after "Dragon Age Vielguard" I blocked the LGBTQ+ Tag on steam for games going forward.
And while I think Avowed is not really a Woke disaster like other games, it's still definitely has LGBTQ+ & some woke elements.
So like me many steam players that don't want to bother with politics etc have probably just blocked the Tags to not even bother, and while they may have enjoyed this game as it looks like those Ideologies are present but not forced in this Game they will never even know about it.

Basically what I'm saying is that Woke has gone too far, and now the swing is coming back, while people may have been fine with a few woke things in games before if the game was good now they won't even look at a game if there is a hint of Woke/LGBTQ+ in a Game.

So it will be interesting to what happens to the Industry going forward.

The problem people have with "woke" is that they shove their ideologies down our throats and they make the characters and their personalities and motivations revolve around their dumb identity and sexuality...
And they lecture you, and they look down on you and they are condescending about it, or in general. I doubt the majority of people have problems with lgbtq in general, it's when you force it on us and focus on it that it becomes annoying. Imagine a dude bro going around non-stop talking about boobs and butts... at least he is not condescending about it, nor does he lecture you.

Then you couple it with horrific dialogue and writing and you just annoy people.

That said I literally overlooked that in Veilguard, the game isn't good either. The gameplay has fantastic animations, if you are to just look at it, it looks great, but the combat is a much worse version of God of War, they literally stripped down all the systems in the game, it gets repetitive after 6-7 hours and after about 10 hours you wish you had stopped at 6.

The only redeeming quality of Veilguard is that the visuals were amazing, the world and enemies look great. The characters look awful though. Oh and the character creator is great. I guess that's where the effort went. The talent system had me excited only to realize that it's big, but boring and shallow with little to no changes to the gameplay and playstyle.

I haven't played much of Avowed so far, but on a purely gameplay basis it's worse than Oblivion and Skyrim. The game is static and the combat has gotten an action bar which is great, but otherwise is worse than Bethesda games that are 14-19 years old. The platforming is fun and the world is gorgeous, but that's not nearly enough. Still haven't played much with the talents as I'm early in the game.

[Thomas Eichhorst]

Originally posted by FiftyKal:

And while I think Avowed is not really a Woke disaster like other games, it's still definitely has LGBTQ+ & some woke elements.

False. The game is highly on woke side. I can demonstrate upon request using the revised Eightbarrel Woke chart.

[Left-Hand Path]

Originally posted by FiftyKal:

Okay I'll start by saying I didn't even know this game was coming out and it was on my wish list. I found out it was out today after seeing Asmongold's "Microsoft is actually f*cked.." video.

The reason I didn't see it was that after "Dragon Age Vielguard" I blocked the LGBTQ+ Tag on steam for games going forward.
And while I think Avowed is not really a Woke disaster like other games, it's still definitely has LGBTQ+ & some woke elements.
So like me many steam players that don't want to bother with politics etc have probably just blocked the Tags to not even bother, and while they may have enjoyed this game as it looks like those Ideologies are present but not forced in this Game they will never even know about it.

Basically what I'm saying is that Woke has gone too far, and now the swing is coming back, while people may have been fine with a few woke things in games before if the game was good now they won't even look at a game if there is a hint of Woke/LGBTQ+ in a Game.

So it will be interesting to what happens to the Industry going forward.

Probably more like a disadvantageous release window.

- Alot of players are still playing KCD2.

- Noneexisting marketing: None of my friends did know about this game until I asked them about it last week or so.

- While it is available on game pass I don´t think it´s worth it´s asking price, especially the 5 day early release version. They offer a double A game with a tripple A price tag. 40 - 50 bucks seems more appropiate.

- The genre shift. Many people would rather have a proper sequel to PoE1/2.

- A somewhat lackluster combat system unless you pick mage. Alot of classes/skills from the previous games are missing. Melee combat is boring. Activate shout, fill the stagger bar and then oneshot. Rince and repeat.

- Enemy variety. PoE had a large amount of diverse enemies/monsters. Now we have xaurips, kith and a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ of bears for some reason. This is especially dissapointing when you think about the setting.

- A somewhat static world (no crime system for instance)

- Lackluster side quests

People are not willing to think for themselves anymore. The game has progressive elements, sure, but it´s so tame that calling Avowed "woke" is just ridicoulous and somewhat telling

So, no, woke hasn´t "gone to far". People rather listen to their favorite parasocial relationship instead of forming their own opinion, regurgitating talking points from their favorite Youtuber here like indoctrinated attack dogs. It´s just sad. Having such a strong opinion on something you haven´t even experienced yourself.
But it seems like the dopamin kick from believing beeing on the "right" side is more important then thinking for yourself I guess.

TL;DR: The game isn´t great in my opinion, but it´s fine. It´s to expensive and it has a strong competitor with KCD2. No "woke conspiracy" needed to explain it´s perceived performance.

[Caramel_Clown]

It's much simpler than it seems. It's just not a very good game. That's really it. People have come to expect role playing bliss from Obsidian. But as of recent there have been a sharp downward trend in the quality of their games. It looks cheap, fake, and completely devoid of any personality. Dialogue is flat, characters completely forgettable, visual style can only be described as a trailer for a mobile game.

[Naamtar]

I don't think blocking the LGBTQ+ tag is a good idea since the community can append tags to whatever they want, and there is definitely a group of people coordinating to do it to whatever they want to fail.

After 30 hours into the game anyone calling this game woke gets a point and laugh from me. There's no agenda being pushed.

Also saying Microsoft is f*cked when they just came out with the world's first quasiparticle chip is funny. Microsoft are doing just fine and can continue to fund their gaming department as long as they want.

[Giorgio]

You are out of touch with reality if you think the anti or pro-woke sentiments have any meaningful impact on any game's sales. Both sides, y'all just terminally online.

[es_nezinu_neko]

Game would do great if it were vanilla game with extreme LGBT dei dlc. Instead is extreme LGBT dei dlc with missing main game for wide vanilla audience.
I believe if people would have blocked LGBT tagged games from their steam profile- there would be less negative comments in Avowed discussions and really small amount of interest in game in general.
Many people feal tricked into buying extremist LGBT content and are putting warnings in form of comments in discussions.

[PersonalC0ffee]

Originally posted by Elvi:

Game looks okay, but after the deranged director rants, I really don't see why would anyone without deep self-hatred buy it. Shame.
Maybe it would be a good idea to control your top employees when they speak about/for your products, huh.

What deranged director rants?

Also art from the artist.

[PersonalC0ffee]

Originally posted by Naamtar:

I don't think blocking the LGBTQ+ tag is a good idea since the community can append tags to whatever they want, and there is definitely a group of people coordinating to do it to whatever they want to fail.

After 30 hours into the game anyone calling this game woke gets a point and laugh from me. There's no agenda being pushed.

Also saying Microsoft is f*cked when they just came out with the world's first quasiparticle chip is funny. Microsoft are doing just fine and can continue to fund their gaming department as long as they want.

I know right?

Did you see that chip tho? OMG gorgeous!

[Valfossa]

I think this video summed it up best.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=knxyej6xDnQ

[krbi]

Originally posted by FiftyKal:

(Opinion) Why Avowed is doing so badly.

Let me fix the title of the thread for you: "I'm a bigot"

[Valfossa]

Originally posted by olvlvl:

You have opinions I don't like. Waaaaaaaaa💦

Let me fix this post for you☝️

[hush]

this game is great

[Cruna]

here is why it's doing so badly, and there is no recovery in sight.

First we have to see the target audience which would be the potential customers.
This game probably had some potential at least startup interest, but of course it was ruined by the stance of the devs and their political-activist mindset.

This was horrible for the commercial success of the game. It simply made the majority of the players who would have considered buying it, completely avoiding it.

So they moved to the next step.
Let's bring then new customers. People who didn't hear about it, nor were interested in any sort of noise.
For that they needed a good advertising campaign, and some luck too because launching it a week before Monster Hunter wasn't the best idea.

-So they spent massive ammount of cash on adverts, publications, mainstream reviews, storefront banners everywhere, even Battle Net sent out email notifications and even mobile notification to buy it.

-Okay so they target new players then and try to push it through with massive advertising, mainstream review scores, anything that can be pushed.

BUT! When a new player is looking at that storefront banner... what will he see? First the title "Avowed" makes no sense, sounds like a made up word, it tells nothing to the player. Then there is some sort of paint smear skeleton picture.... Again it is not attracting anyone, it's not saying anything about the product. So a few of them click on it to see what that is anyway. Then they see simply a random open world RPG nothing special, nothing new that costs 70$.

Good luck.

only days later all those banners, adverts everything was pulled. I guess they saw that there is no point spending any more money on those, the sales don't grow and they just burn more money.

It's a flop. And it's failure has multiple reasons, not only one. Very bad image coming from devs, very clumsy release window, and later failure to attract new interest if the original ones were gone. It was just too little too late.

[Fantastic Fwoosh]

Originally posted by Giorgio:

You are out of touch with reality if you think the anti or pro-woke sentiments have any meaningful impact on any game's sales. Both sides, y'all just terminally online.

In terms of just blocking LGBTQ+ steam tags, the devs here and a handful of other studios haven't come through on delivering good games, which happen to have a combined element with LGBTQ+ in recent memory if they felt compelled to add it, compared to faithful fantasy RPG's like Baldur's Gate 3, to worry about missing new titles.

I wish we could block-filter entire studios.