8.0 and 6.8 on metacritic.

[trtab]

Is this as bad as the Metacritic reviews say? Really surprised I thought a modern was supposed to pull in the masses.

[Janthis]

I honestly thought the user review average would be lower because of all the anti-woke trolls. Game is good, it's a 7.5 for me.

[SaD-82]

6.8 isn't bad.
It's above average.
I, personally, would give it a 5 out of 10 - perfectly mediocre.
Everything below 5 would have to be considered bad.

But beware - people are already riling up to tell you: "BUT on metacritic EVERYONE can give his opinion. There is no SUPER-DUPER SPECIAL VIP CLUB MEMBERSHIP as it's on Steam..."

[Pyro3000]

Originally posted by SaD-82:

6.8 isn't bad.
It's above average.
I, personally, would give it a 5 out of 10 - perfectly mediocre.
Everything below 5 would have to be considered bad.

But beware - people are already riling up to tell you: "BUT on metacritic EVERYONE can give his opinion. There is no SUPER-DUPER SPECIAL VIP CLUB MEMBERSHIP as it's on Steam..."

I'm going to disagree about 6.8 being above average. If you were to lay out every game rated within the last few years, I would wager the average floats closer to 7.5. People treat ratings like a grade where they're effectively giving it an A, B, C, D, or F.

[SaD-82]

Originally posted by Pyro3000:

If you were to lay out every game rated within the last few years, I would wager the average floats closer to 7.5.

That's due to watering down what those numbers represent.
The reasons for this might be different for everyone doing it, but the outcome is the same: Distorting reality.
7.5 is a pretty good rating - in my country the grades in school range from 1-6 (1 being the best). 7.5 would translate into 2; 5 out of 10 into 3 to 4 (the average).

[Labas Vakaras]

Originally posted by SaD-82:

6.8 isn't bad.
It's above average.
I, personally, would give it a 5 out of 10 - perfectly mediocre.
Everything below 5 would have to be considered bad.

But beware - people are already riling up to tell you: "BUT on metacritic EVERYONE can give his opinion. There is no SUPER-DUPER SPECIAL VIP CLUB MEMBERSHIP as it's on Steam..."

In that case, Veilguard should be 3/10. There is not a single thing it does better than Avowed, except, maybe, performance.
Also in your frame of reference, Skyrim should be 7\10 because it feels very generic and shallow after Morrowind.

[BrotherMurus]

It's take a lot to convince me to buy a game at the range of 7, EYE Divine Cybermacy is one, the game is janky, but the scope and the vision of the dev is ambitious, everything works in a very primitive way. and it start out only as a HL2 mod, it is a very popular opinion that the game is a diamonds in the rough.

For Avowed it will properly depends on the lore of pillars.

[SaD-82]

Originally posted by Labas Vakaras:

In that case, Veilguard should be 3/10. There is not a single thing it does better than Avowed, except, maybe, performance.
Also in your frame of reference, Skyrim should be 7\10 because it feels very generic and shallow after Morrowind.

Agreed with both (in Skyrim's case a 7.5 to 8 would be possible, depending on certain features and how much weight you put behind them, but overall: Yep, agreed.)

[Pyro3000]

Originally posted by SaD-82:

Originally posted by Pyro3000:

If you were to lay out every game rated within the last few years, I would wager the average floats closer to 7.5.

That's due to watering down what those numbers represent.
The reasons for this might be different for everyone doing it, but the outcome is the same: Distorting reality.
7.5 is a pretty good rating - in my country the grades in school range from 1-6 (1 being the best). 7.5 would translate into 2; 5 out of 10 into 3 to 4 (the average).

The USA largely uses a 10 point system now where 60-69 is D, 70-79 is C, 80-89 is B, and 90+ is A. So naturally, anything 8+ is viewed as good. A lot of review sites switch the review color to yellow when it's below 8, and to red if it's below 7, I think.

In China, it's really different. below 60 is fail. 60-64 is D, and then everything above that changes every a grade (C-, C, C+, B-). In the USA, +/- is just a matter of if it's the top or bottom of a grade zone. In China, it's just a different grade. However, A- is 85-90, and 90+ is A. I guess you could say it means 65-74 is C, 75-84 is B, and 85+ is A. I think it's part of why we push so hard for As. Because anything below 85% is someone not trying.

I think it's fine if a game is a 7/10. I'm just not going to pay $70 for it. To me, a game of that low quality should be $40.

[stax]

Originally posted by trtab:

Is this as bad as the Metacritic reviews say? Really surprised I thought a modern was supposed to pull in the masses.

Because Avowed has become yet another front in a culture war, people are giving it negative reviews not because of how the game plays, but because a single dev made this one statement half a year ago that angered them.

[SaD-82]

Originally posted by Pyro3000:

I think it's fine if a game is a 7/10. I'm just not going to pay $70 for it.

Absolutely.
In case of Avowed (due to my own assessment of 5/10), I would even drop the price down to 30$ to have a fitting price-value-relation.

[Diomed]

Originally posted by stax:

Originally posted by trtab:

Is this as bad as the Metacritic reviews say? Really surprised I thought a modern was supposed to pull in the masses.

Because Avowed has become yet another front in a culture war, people are giving it negative reviews not because of how the game plays, but because a single dev made this one statement half a year ago that angered them.

This a miilion times.

The game is excellent. 8.5 for me.

The negative reviews are mostly by people who don't own it and have never played it.

[JiveTurkey]

It's a decent 7 at the initial price and would be an 8 at $50. The hate machine against it is entirely manufactured over an optional setting in the character creator.

[phadin]

Originally posted by BrotherMurus:

It's take a lot to convince me to buy a game at the range of 7, EYE Divine Cybermacy is one, the game is janky, but the scope and the vision of the dev is ambitious, everything works in a very primitive way. and it start out only as a HL2 mod, it is a very popular opinion that the game is a diamonds in the rough.

For Avowed it will properly depends on the lore of pillars.

If you've played the previous PoE games, the lore is there. This game takes place a few years after Deadfire. While the full effects of what happened there are not yet felt, things are changing. Of course, being on the other side of a continent from Deadfire itself, what did happen is as much rumor as anything. There are a few connections however, most notable being Lodwyn, the leader of the Steel Garotte you could have encountered and killed in Deadfire.... yet somehow she's alive here, and the game acknowledges this.

The lore of the game itself does involve the gods and the nature of the Living Lands as it connects to the rest of the world. I'm still about halfway through myself. As far as rating the game, I'd say it's average... 7.5 is probably accurate.

[JacEEEBABY]

Score will slowly go down but no one is buying the game anyways which says it all.

[Anticitizen 1]

Metacritic isn't an indicator of anything, particularly the gaming urinalist aggregate which is bought and paid for.

Steam review aggregate is at 77%, not as dire as Mixed but Mostly Positive indicates mediocrity. Good games don't start until Very Positive and most of them are mid too.