Did Obsidian change their minds?

[Hexen_Cassi]

I remember that in an old interview they had said that it would only be possible to play as Elves and Humans, which is honestly quite sad because they are the least interesting races in Eora if you don't count the subraces of each one.
But recently it seems that it is now possible to play Godlike, and probably the others, did they change their minds?

[Butcher]

Originally posted by Wincent, The Hollow Knight:

Originally posted by Mimind 🐭:

really ? no dwarfs

oh man this game is such a disappointment

No Dwarves, Orlans or Amauan. Yeah it is tragic. :/
From what I understand is it mostly due to the perspective.
1st person from a dwarves or an orlans perspective would be a nightmare due to the massive size difference.
Then combined with the animations in 3rd person needing to match 1st person perfectly in damage to make the combat flow smoothly...

Yeah, I know WHY they were cut, but man... wish they weren't.
IF we get a sequel (IF)... they might add them.

Vermintide includes characters with different heights and perspectives despite Fatshark being much smaller than Obsidian. Dragons Dogma from 2012 outright lets you pick your height:
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3403334968
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3403334924
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3403334874
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3403334832
Microsoft is THAT poor?

[Wincent, The Hollow Knight]

Originally posted by Dragon Master:

Originally posted by Calubob:

You are correct. Forcing pronouns is also the exact opposite of diversity.
Yet it's done for the sake of diversity. DEI in a nutshell. 0 steps forward 2 steps back.

Remember when Mass Effect: Andromeda first came out and making a white character wasn't even an option? The white skin for a custom character had to be patched in later. That was one of the first big controversies of that game.

We aren't dealing with Bioware now however, are we?

[Sparhawk122]

Originally posted by Dragon Master:

Originally posted by Calubob:

You are correct. Forcing pronouns is also the exact opposite of diversity.
Yet it's done for the sake of diversity. DEI in a nutshell. 0 steps forward 2 steps back.

Remember when Mass Effect: Andromeda first came out and making a white character wasn't even an option? The white skin for a custom character had to be patched in later. That was one of the first big controversies of that game.

Hence why their games have declined in quality ever since.

[Dragon Master]

Originally posted by Wincent, The Hollow Knight:

Originally posted by Dragon Master:

Remember when Mass Effect: Andromeda first came out and making a white character wasn't even an option? The white skin for a custom character had to be patched in later. That was one of the first big controversies of that game.

We aren't dealing with Bioware now however, are we?

It is a showcase of this being a trend for years in the western AAA developers though. Pushing diversity by limiting options, removing the choice and acting as though the people complaining about it are crazy.

[Wincent, The Hollow Knight]

Originally posted by Butcher:

Originally posted by Wincent, The Hollow Knight:

No Dwarves, Orlans or Amauan. Yeah it is tragic. :/
From what I understand is it mostly due to the perspective.
1st person from a dwarves or an orlans perspective would be a nightmare due to the massive size difference.
Then combined with the animations in 3rd person needing to match 1st person perfectly in damage to make the combat flow smoothly...

Yeah, I know WHY they were cut, but man... wish they weren't.
IF we get a sequel (IF)... they might add them.

Vermintide includes characters with different heights and perspectives despite Fatshark being much smaller than Obsidian. Dragons Dogma from 2012 outright lets you pick your height:
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3403334968
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3403334924
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3403334874
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3403334832
Microsoft is THAT poor?

Vermintide has set characters with set animations, and limited weapons for each character. Not the same game, no the same priority.
Dragons Dogma has a compeltely different perspective (aka not 1st person) which impacts a lot of features and details in regards to height.

You can't compare other games that arne't the same type of game and make argument based on them.
Or should I argue that CoD sucks because you can only have 12 players in a match while Starcraft can have 999 units at any time?

[Wincent, The Hollow Knight]

Originally posted by Dragon Master:

Originally posted by Wincent, The Hollow Knight:

We aren't dealing with Bioware now however, are we?

It is a showcase of this being a trend for years in the western AAA developers though. Pushing diversity by limiting options, removing the choice and acting as though the people complaining about it are crazy.

All it is showcasing is that BIOWARE has been sliding down the greasestained slide in the last decade.
Because everyone only REALLY seem to use Bioware as the comparison due to Veilguard's failure of roleplay.

[Calubob]

Originally posted by Sparhawk122:

Originally posted by Dragon Master:

Remember when Mass Effect: Andromeda first came out and making a white character wasn't even an option? The white skin for a custom character had to be patched in later. That was one of the first big controversies of that game.

Hence why their games have declined in quality ever since.

No I had no idea that happened lmao. The game looked subpar regardless so I had no interest in it. I've tried to play it a couple times since but it's boring af.

[xaan]

Originally posted by Butcher:

Not only the information about sex, information about amount of referred persons too.

What? Huh? I can't....
Something must be lost in translation between red pill to normie. I litterally have no clue what you are saying.

Originally posted by Butcher:

And you ignored the result of meaningless pronouns - spam. You like getting spam on your mail that much?

I ignored it because the entire line of thinking makes abolutely no sense to me. How das someone being adressed with a pronoun not associated with their biological sex lead to spam? And why wouldn't my spam filter just block it the same way it already does now? I'm genuinely confused about this argument.

[rustdwarf]

Originally posted by Wincent, The Hollow Knight:

Originally posted by Mimind 🐭:

really ? no dwarfs

oh man this game is such a disappointment

No Dwarves, Orlans or Amauan. Yeah it is tragic. :/
From what I understand is it mostly due to the perspective.
1st person from a dwarves or an orlans perspective would be a nightmare due to the massive size difference.
Then combined with the animations in 3rd person needing to match 1st person perfectly in damage to make the combat flow smoothly...

Yeah, I know WHY they were cut, but man... wish they weren't.
IF we get a sequel (IF)... they might add them.

not only that
the game heavily focuses on exploration
MC size difference affects which holes can be crawled through and which jumps could be made

[Sparhawk122]

Originally posted by Wincent, The Hollow Knight:

Originally posted by Dragon Master:

It is a showcase of this being a trend for years in the western AAA developers though. Pushing diversity by limiting options, removing the choice and acting as though the people complaining about it are crazy.

All it is showcasing is that BIOWARE has been sliding down the greasestained slide in the last decade.
Because everyone only REALLY seem to use Bioware as the comparison due to Veilguard's failure of roleplay.

My friend.

Let us be honest. Do you think a developer where an employee (in top leadership position) has already come out and said he hates males, and white male gamers is not going to have that idealogy in his game? Or force his viewpoint somehow into his art?

[Dragon Master]

Originally posted by Calubob:

Originally posted by Sparhawk122:

Hence why their games have declined in quality ever since.

No I had no idea that happened lmao. The game looked subpar regardless so I had no interest in it. I've tried to play it a couple times since but it's boring af.

Yeah, it was a thing.

I was playing it day one as a huge Mass Effect fan and found it weird I couldn't make Ryder look like me.

There was a lot wrong with the game beyond not even being able to make a white character so it didn't even make the top 10, but it is a showcase of the trends of the western gaming industry and what they were actively pushing.

[Butcher]

Originally posted by Wincent, The Hollow Knight:

Originally posted by Butcher:

Vermintide includes characters with different heights and perspectives despite Fatshark being much smaller than Obsidian. Dragons Dogma from 2012 outright lets you pick your height:
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3403334968
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3403334924
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3403334874
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3403334832
Microsoft is THAT poor?

Vermintide has set characters with set animations, and limited weapons for each character. Not the same game, no the same priority.
Dragons Dogma has a compeltely different perspective (aka not 1st person) which impacts a lot of features and details in regards to height.

You can't compare other games that arne't the same type of game and make argument based on them.
Or should I argue that CoD sucks because you can only have 12 players in a match while Starcraft can have 999 units at any time?

And Avowed has procidural animations? No. Or what are you talking about, exactly, when you are referring to them as "set"? You ready to bet that Awoved will have more weapon animations than Vermintide? Bold, very bold.

CoD sucked for a long time - you know Battlefield with 64 players and vehicles?

[rustdwarf]

Originally posted by Sparhawk122:

Originally posted by Wincent, The Hollow Knight:

All it is showcasing is that BIOWARE has been sliding down the greasestained slide in the last decade.
Because everyone only REALLY seem to use Bioware as the comparison due to Veilguard's failure of roleplay.

My friend.

Let us be honest. Do you think a developer where an employee (in top leadership position) has already come out and said he hates males, and white male gamers is not going to have that idealogy in his game? Or force his viewpoint somehow into his art?

Bro, just stop
You can in fact make a "white cis male human" in the game
it's a fact
I've seen the preview build footage with such a character

PS
he never said he hates males and/or white males
you know this is made up entirely

[Wincent, The Hollow Knight]

Originally posted by Sparhawk122:

Originally posted by Wincent, The Hollow Knight:

All it is showcasing is that BIOWARE has been sliding down the greasestained slide in the last decade.
Because everyone only REALLY seem to use Bioware as the comparison due to Veilguard's failure of roleplay.

My friend.

Let us be honest. Do you think a developer where an employee (in top leadership position) has already come out and said he hates males, and white male gamers is not going to have that idealogy in his game? Or force his viewpoint somehow into his art?

1: He never said that.
2: Alright, give me another developer, famous for making big beloved RPGs that have gone down the slope with their RPGs in the western market.

[Butcher]

Originally posted by xaan:

Originally posted by Butcher:

Not only the information about sex, information about amount of referred persons too.

What? Huh? I can't....
Something must be lost in translation between red pill to normie. I litterally have no clue what you are saying.

Information about plurality. Understandable, I hope? Do not be ashamed to ask.

Originally posted by xaan:

Originally posted by Butcher:

And you ignored the result of meaningless pronouns - spam. You like getting spam on your mail that much?

I ignored it because the entire line of thinking makes abolutely no sense to me. How das someone being adressed with a pronoun not associated with their biological sex lead to spam? And why wouldn't my spam filter just block it the same way it already does now? I'm genuinely confused about this argument.

Because it conveys no useful information. And transfer of useful information is the core of language. When we remove useful information all that remains is spam, noise.