This will end the Pillars universe and that's a shame

[ShoeStringKing]

Pillars of Eternity was one of the games that kicked off this CRPG renaissance we've been experiencing for over a decade now. I'm old enough to remember the state of RPGs in the late 2000s to early 2010s, and outside of a few classics, it was slim pickins. Even if it wasn't the biggest hit in the world, it was a game changer and a harbinger of changes to come for the genre.

The world of PoE was clearly influenced by D&D but also did enough to forge its own identity. A gloomy place with enigmatic gods, mysterious cults, and horrific soul maladies. Themes of religion and identity and the very interesting question of just what it really means to be a "god."

Such a shame that this game looks to be watered down 2011 game design, trying to ape Skyrim of all things. But even that might be giving them too much credit, the dialogue I've seen is closer to Oblivion level. Quippy writing, weird winks to the player that are totally out of place, and lacking in the identity that Pillars managed to make for itself.

Compare the haunting and very thorough characterization of the Grieving Mother from the first PoE to any dialogue you can find in Avowed. Does it even come close? Really, tell me, I want to know. But I think I do. Sadly.

[GetUrAssToMars]

I know nobody likes to hear this but this game isn't Poe. This is obsidian's failed attempt at getting some Bethesda money.

They used a pre-existing IP as a canvas to shart their open world rpg onto and that's about all it has in common with pillars.

Nobody talented that had a hand with the writing w poe1 still works at that company, and josh Sawyer won't touch it anymore.

[archonsod]

Fairly certain it's on track to be the best selling Pillar's to date, so I doubt it'll end the Pillars universe as such. If we're lucky it means they'll do a proper Pillars 3. If we're unlucky we're getting Pillars of Eternity - the live service gacha game.

[Ele]

Yep, another franchise bites the dust in the name of "the message".

[Trouser_Dune_Worm]

A modern audience success

[ShoeStringKing]

Originally posted by archonsod:

Fairly certain it's on track to be the best selling Pillar's to date, so I doubt it'll end the Pillars universe as such. If we're lucky it means they'll do a proper Pillars 3. If we're unlucky we're getting Pillars of Eternity - the live service gacha game.

A Pillars of Eternity tamagotchi would have been a better release for the franchise. Raise your pet xaurip! Make sure he doesn't die of starvation or ritual murder! At least that wouldn't have cost God knows how many hundreds of millions like Avowed.

[ShoeStringKing]

Originally posted by RORSCHACH:

Yep, another franchise bites the dust in the name of "the message".

The Message sucks, of course, but even without it I don't think this game would have succeeded,

[Black Hammer]

Obsidian's been dead a while, this is an attempt to justify the pay toilets trying to claim it's still a thing.

[Vansky]

I'm sure Matt Hansen feels very emboldened by all of this.
He wanted to make gamers mad with his game, and he can't believe it actually happened.

I'd give Avowed a whirl but I'm afraid of the woke mind virus.

[DMaster2]

It's for the best. If and when the western industry get purged from all the activists and incompetent people in it we can hopefully see IPs destroyed like Dragon Age, PoE and more making a comeback as actual good games.

[jjstraka34]

Originally posted by Vansky:

I'm sure Matt Hansen feels very emboldened by all of this.
He wanted to make gamers mad with his game, and he can't believe it actually happened.

I'd give Avowed a whirl but I'm afraid of the woke mind virus.

You're afraid of your own shadow.

[Bumbax [iPB]]

Originally posted by ShoeStringKing:

Compare the haunting and very thorough characterization of the Grieving Mother from the first PoE to any dialogue you can find in Avowed. Does it even come close?

Same company but different people, talented devs moved away in the years, the PoE team is't in obsidian anymore

[Shmider]

I always assumed it was just a spin off game. It's not called "Pillars of Eternety 3". I havent played the game yet but I'm tempering my expectations. I don't buy things for the sole purpose of raging.

From what I gather the story is subbpar but the gameplay actually improves on what skyrim did mechanically. Magic looks really fun. This is ok, not everything needs to be a 10.

[ShoeStringKing]

Originally posted by Shmider:

I always assumed it was just a spin off game. It's not called "Pillars of Eternety 3". I havent played the game yet but I'm tempering my expectations. I don't buy things for the sole purpose of raging.

From what I gather the story is subbpar but the gameplay actually improves on what skyrim did mechanically. Magic looks really fun. This is ok, not everything needs to be a 10.

The problem with that is, due to this, we're never going to get a Pillars 3. Best case scenario is we might get an Avowed 2, but I doubt even that. This will be the first foray for lots of people into the world of Pillars, and they're not going to see just what makes it interesting and unique, because this game lacks all of that.

PoE2 had some strides forward and some missteps, but Avowed looks like it leapt of a cliff.

[Capn Vyse]

Deadfire is the best game in the series and nearly killed the franchise. I am glad this game exists. Got to explore an amazing setting in 3rd person and Avowed is faithful to the lore.

[Raï 𓆣]

We'll have to see what the future holds for this franchise.

I think they could tap into the tabletop genre maybe? Diversify.

I'm not very optimistic about the future though, but at least we'll have PoE 1 and 2 to play until society collapses... or something.