What is the purpose of pronouns?

[Tazor]

I'm asking those who are in favor of this feature. If you are neutral or against this feature, then I got no idea what you are doing in this thread. Because for you this feature should not be here.

20 years ago we didn't have pronouns. You picked a dude and you were a he/ him. You picked a girl and you were a she/ her.

So why is this a thing now? I'm trying to understand. Why is something like this important to you in a video game with a forgettable story where you run around killing people with swords and spells?

[Sol4rSky]

If someone is a male and wants to be regarded as SHE in game, why not just make a female character and be seen as SHE without any missconceptions? I mean, chances are the male in cause will also have long hair and try to act like a woman while being regarded as a "She" in game due to pronoun, so what's the point?

^ Explain to me how not picking the gender you wanna be labeled as makes more sense than having non immersive nouns that change nothing in the game added to the wrong sex while anything, it's immersion breaking.

In reality you can't create a new character but in game you can.


If I wanted to be regarded as SHE and I was a HE, I'd make a female character since 1200% chances are I'd try to make my male character as "She" as possible, so i'd just pick a female character, you can then roleplay by having her look more manly if you're into that.

[tpowl1400]

Originally posted by Sol4rSky:

If someone is a male and wants to be regarded as SHE in game, why not just make a female character and be seen as SHE without any missconceptions? I mean, chances are the male in cause will also have long hair and try to act like a woman while being regarded as a "She" in game due to pronoun, so what's the point?

^ Explain to me how not picking the gender you wanna be labeled as makes more sense than having non immersive nouns that change nothing in the game added to the wrong sex while anything, it's immersion breaking.

In reality you can't create a new character but in game you can.

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I can think of one game that drove out what was originally planned a male character and replaced with a female character. But that's not the real concern if you just look at it by its cover. The director to that game hates white and Asian males. She's a black female who calls Asians "white's adjacents (i.e. next door neighbors)"

[melianos]

Game sits at about 80%.
Not many care apparently.

[MaSeKind]

The purpose is exactly the same as it has been for decades, so the NPCs can call you sir or madam. It has no other affect. Only now you have the option of choosing it manually, even though you don't need to. When you select a male character, it goes to he, if you select female it's she. End of story. Nothing more, nothing less.

[tpowl1400]

Originally posted by melianos:

Game sits at about 80%.
Not many care apparently.

Because the 80% comes from media outlets, not having taken into account scores from any of regular gamers. Remember that Canadian-hosted game thinggy that happened back in December '24 where no gamers' votes were allowed? Right now is not the time to look at the average Avowed score.

[katarack21]

Originally posted by tpowl1400:

Originally posted by melianos:

Game sits at about 80%.
Not many care apparently.

Because the 80% comes from media outlets, not having taken into account scores from any of regular gamers.

Metacritic doesn't let people score until launch date. It's not that they "aren't taken into account", it's that you literally can't review it until the 18th.

[tpowl1400]

Originally posted by katarack21:

Originally posted by tpowl1400:

Because the 80% comes from media outlets, not having taken into account scores from any of regular gamers.

Metacritic doesn't let people score until launch date. It's not that they "aren't taken into account", it's that you literally can't review it until the 18th.

Open Critic as well.

[BlissfulPluto]

Originally posted by MaSeKind:

The purpose is exactly the same as it has been for decades, so the NPCs can call you sir or madam. It has no other affect. Only now you have the option of choosing it manually, even though you don't need to. When you select a male character, it goes to he, if you select female it's she. End of story. Nothing more, nothing less.

Won't be "optional" when they make the NPCs they/them as well. You can point out the individual or two outliers in specific games to make a point, but that would only prove you'll use them changing the male/female option now to point at it later when NPC enmass are now they/thems. Options mean I should have the option to not engage in this. Currently that option is being stripped.

[OwO me harder Senpai]

You have 3 topics about culture war in the first 15 results. Find any other hobby.

[MaSeKind]

Originally posted by BlissfulPluto:

Originally posted by MaSeKind:

The purpose is exactly the same as it has been for decades, so the NPCs can call you sir or madam. It has no other affect. Only now you have the option of choosing it manually, even though you don't need to. When you select a male character, it goes to he, if you select female it's she. End of story. Nothing more, nothing less.

Won't be "optional" when they make the NPCs they/them as well. You can point out the individual or two outliers in specific games to make a point, but that would only prove you'll use them changing the male/female option now to point at it later when NPC enmass are now they/thems. Options mean I should have the option to not engage in this. Currently that option is being stripped.

I have no idea what you're trying to say sorry. I did read it twice and got even more confused.

What I will comment on is the fact that it is optional right now (I understood that part). I didn't touch any pronoun options while making my game. And both times, when I made a male and female character, did I end up with the right pronouns in game. So there is no problem here

[jjstraka34]

Originally posted by tpowl1400:

Has a lot to do with WOKEness of Obsidian. That is the reason. And don't you ever think Avowed will be the end of it.

If you recall, people who took on the leadership in lot of DEI-driven companies pushed out real talented ppl, be them males or females, but in reality, most of them who were driven out are males. They all got replaced by females with no prior game dev experiences.

Surely you are able to provide names and numbers to back this claim up. Show your work.

[jjstraka34]

Originally posted by tpowl1400:

Originally posted by melianos:

Game sits at about 80%.
Not many care apparently.

Because the 80% comes from media outlets, not having taken into account scores from any of regular gamers. Remember that Canadian-hosted game thinggy that happened back in December '24 where no gamers' votes were allowed? Right now is not the time to look at the average Avowed score.

What you mean is the inevitable review bomb the chuds are planning can't happen until the 18th.

[BlissfulPluto]

Originally posted by MaSeKind:

Originally posted by BlissfulPluto:

Won't be "optional" when they make the NPCs they/them as well. You can point out the individual or two outliers in specific games to make a point, but that would only prove you'll use them changing the male/female option now to point at it later when NPC enmass are now they/thems. Options mean I should have the option to not engage in this. Currently that option is being stripped.

I have no idea what you're trying to say sorry. I did read it twice and got even more confused.

What I will comment on is the fact that it is optional right now (I understood that part). I didn't touch any pronoun options while making my game. And both times, when I made a male and female character, did I end up with the right pronouns in game. So there is no problem here

I am sorry I misunderstood your position on the matter. I heard they made it a setting after backlash which might be why you didn't see it. But I won't find out until the game goes on sale atleast 50%.

[tpowl1400]

Originally posted by jjstraka34:

Originally posted by tpowl1400:

Has a lot to do with WOKEness of Obsidian. That is the reason. And don't you ever think Avowed will be the end of it.

If you recall, people who took on the leadership in lot of DEI-driven companies pushed out real talented ppl, be them males or females, but in reality, most of them who were driven out are males. They all got replaced by females with no prior game dev experiences.

Surely you are able to provide names and numbers to back this claim up. Show your work.

My work? I am just another gamer. Surely I don't need to be Elon or Trump to expose what USAID was up to either right? Or did I have to be Biden to cover it all up?

Or let me put it this way, do I need to be Matt Hansen to think what he thinks? Or do I need to be part of Avowed team to know it was comprised almost entirely of DEI driven females?

When the credit rolls on Avowed, look at how many female "devs" are in the credit section.

[dolby]

Originally posted by melianos:

I don't know.
Some people want them, why shouldn't they get them ?

Can you guys give me 40 million? i want them. Why shouldn't i get them?

oh wait. You don't get everything in life just cos you think you should, i guess that's why.