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[Johnny]

I played for about 5-6 hours on Xbox and I am seriously bummed to report that:

This game is missing:

-A skill for dialogue. So no specing into diplomacy/deciet/beguiling/etc

-Any crime system at all

-Any theft of any kind

-Any ability to interact with generic town NPCs and I mean ANY. No injuring them in any way, no dynamic quests, no response to anything you do at all NOTHING.

-Any dynamic NPC movement, all town NPCs stand in EXACTLY the same spot, forever. They are literally just non-interactive set dressing. No schedules, no immersion, no life no detail at all, might as well be animatronics at Disneyland.

-Good player dialogue. Like wow, there are genuine moments in the game where your ONLY choices are between the anguish of horridly written ERP, ex: "Are you sure about that? [Raise right eyebrow high with quizzical, vexed befuddlement]" or the soul crushingly embarrassing generic fantasy slop lines such as: "Scholar: I was looking for the brawn to my brains!" It frequently makes me want to curl into a ball and die.

-Any meaningful distinction between player origins aside from some overly archytyped flavor text that I almost never wanted to engage in.

-An option to silence companion NPCs that relentlessly bombard you with the most obvious, annoying and or boring statements you can imagine often spelling things out before you even have a chance of discovering or processing them, LOUDLY and FREQUENTLY regardless of context. You wanna soak in some environmental storytelling naturally? NOPE, Kai is going to bellow in your ear "THESE CORPSES WERE KING SO AND SO'S MEN ON THE JOURNEY TO X LOCATION." About to solve a puzzle or try to think for yourself at at all? NOPE Kai is going to pin you down and scream in your ear "THESE VINES CAN BE BURNED WITH A FIRE SPELL" before you even see them.

-Any ability to play without companions despite them being insanely obnoxious and typically not that engaging narratively.

-Any kind of internal logic at all: A friend starts a bar fight? Do you knock the people you're fighting unconscious? No. You incinerate them in front of everyone over a small verbal disagreement to not even the slightest reaction. "We're the good guys folks." The game is chalk full of these kinds of moments.

Avowed is missing nearly everything I would want or expect from an Obsidian RPG and its systems are sparsely competitive with that of TES IV Oblivion (2006). It's not """"wokeness"""" that makes this game bad. It's sheer mediocrity, laziness and under-delivery. I seriously don't think I have felt more let down by any other game and my expectations weren't even high from the preview footage.

[Johnny]

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It's a shame then that the preset role is shallow and compromised even more by the character creator while offering none of the sandbox freedom a character maker exists for in the first place and the entire narrative experience is just not all that good across the board. And your example of KCD1 is a bad one because that game brings fresh and good ideas to the table. There are things in that game I'm not getting in other RPGs or things it does better. Avowed not only fails to do that but fails to even have quality offerings in what it does do.

The quality of KCD1 isn't what's in question (though i'd argue the lows in the game are terrible and the highs are great.), the concept of KCD1 not fully adhering to a sandbox was the point. As is aid you can feel however you want about the systems Avowed does offer, personally i think they're average at best with the exception of the way spells function, world building, and some QOL features like seeing a chat log connected to an in-game dictionary of sorts. My only point is that it's unfair to compare a game to something outside of it's genre because at that point you're asking it to be something entirely different.

It would be like if the new DOOM game drops and people complain that it isn't Sniper Elite. They're both shooters but they're not meant to give the same experience.

Ok what SHOULD I compare it to? What experience is it supposed to give? The experience of being underwhelmed and receiving less while getting charged more? Even at that I still refuse to grant that it's supposed to be a different genre, it copies Skyrim and imsims at every turn, there's just less of it and it's less good. Is it a CRPg like dragon age? Wow, it's worse in nearly every area. An imsim like Dark Messiah? Wow, it's worse in nearly every area. An sandbox like Skyrim? Wow, it's worse in nearly every area. A completely directionless mess that does nothing new or well and can't commit to a single idea so it ends up being a half baked amalgamation of nothing? Possibly. The funny thing is I would have enjoyed any of those directions had they been done well, and the problem is Avowed has no direction.

[BrutalGlory]

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The quality of KCD1 isn't what's in question (though i'd argue the lows in the game are terrible and the highs are great.), the concept of KCD1 not fully adhering to a sandbox was the point. As is aid you can feel however you want about the systems Avowed does offer, personally i think they're average at best with the exception of the way spells function, world building, and some QOL features like seeing a chat log connected to an in-game dictionary of sorts. My only point is that it's unfair to compare a game to something outside of it's genre because at that point you're asking it to be something entirely different.

It would be like if the new DOOM game drops and people complain that it isn't Sniper Elite. They're both shooters but they're not meant to give the same experience.

Ok what SHOULD I compare it to? What experience is it supposed to give? The experience of being underwhelmed and receiving less while getting charged more? Even at that I still refuse to grant that it's supposed to be a different genre, it copies Skyrim and imsims at every turn, there's just less of it and it's less good. Is it a CRPg like dragon age? Wow, it's worse in nearly every area. An imsim like Dark Messiah? Wow, it's worse in nearly every area. An sandbox like Skyrim? Wow, it's worse in nearly every area. A completely directionless mess that does nothing new or well and can't commit to a single idea so it ends up being a half baked amalgamation of nothing? Possibly. The funny thing is I would have enjoyed any of those directions had they been done well, and the problem is Avowed has no direction.

It's obvious at this point that you're just complaining to complain. You know full well based on what multiple people have said at this point that it isn't a sandbox. And you definitely know it's not a CRPG. It's an RPG; not a sandbox RPG. It doesn't much matter to me what you compare it with anymore.

You picked a really weird hill to die on, but far be it from me to stop you from making a fool of yourself.

[Johnny]

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Ok what SHOULD I compare it to? What experience is it supposed to give? The experience of being underwhelmed and receiving less while getting charged more? Even at that I still refuse to grant that it's supposed to be a different genre, it copies Skyrim and imsims at every turn, there's just less of it and it's less good. Is it a CRPg like dragon age? Wow, it's worse in nearly every area. An imsim like Dark Messiah? Wow, it's worse in nearly every area. An sandbox like Skyrim? Wow, it's worse in nearly every area. A completely directionless mess that does nothing new or well and can't commit to a single idea so it ends up being a half baked amalgamation of nothing? Possibly. The funny thing is I would have enjoyed any of those directions had they been done well, and the problem is Avowed has no direction.

It's obvious at this point that you're just complaining to complain. You know full well based on what multiple people have said at this point that it isn't a sandbox. And you definitely know it's not a CRPG. It's an RPG; not a sandbox RPG. It doesn't much matter to me what you compare it with anymore.

You picked a really weird hill to die on, but far be it from me to stop you from making a fool of yourself.

You're telling me not to compare Avowed to games it's not only selling itself off the back of but that it has virtually 100% feature overlap with I don't understand. You can do practically everything that you do in Avowed in those games except they're better made. If Avowed can be described as "like skyrim but with less x, y, ,z and no a, b, c" while making literally zero noteworthy additions or improvements WHY IS IT MORE EXPENSIVE? You can't sell a smaller pizza with worse ingredients for more money and expect people to not call you out on it especially when your competition has been across the street for over a decade.

[Johnny]

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This game is a slugish half baked slop for people that got zero standards in gaming and prolly in life

So say your youtube overlords, huh?
And you guys call everyone else sheep.

Bro I played the game blind there's no youtube overlords just an underbaked game. I just genuinely felt disappointment. It's inarguable that it is a comparable let alone better offering even when looking at only RPGs Obsidian has made. It's the gaming equivalent to shrinkflation.

[Janthis]

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It's obvious at this point that you're just complaining to complain. You know full well based on what multiple people have said at this point that it isn't a sandbox. And you definitely know it's not a CRPG. It's an RPG; not a sandbox RPG. It doesn't much matter to me what you compare it with anymore.

You picked a really weird hill to die on, but far be it from me to stop you from making a fool of yourself.

You're telling me not to compare Avowed to games it's not only selling itself off the back of but that it has virtually 100% feature overlap with I don't understand. You can do practically everything that you do in Avowed in those games except they're better made. If Avowed can be described as "like skyrim but with less x, y, ,z and no a, b, c" while making literally zero noteworthy additions or improvements WHY IS IT MORE EXPENSIVE?

Oh god, is this still going on?

You can do everything in Skyrim, huh? Can you climb ledges? Can you setup camp and talk to your companions? Do your companions have special abilities? Can you freeze water to create platforms? Are there guns? Funny how trolls never mention those aspects, huh? You realize that Skyrim, as much as I enjoyed it, was described by many upon release as "wide as an ocean, deep as a puddle?" And that its longevity is due to the fact that it got re-released about 7 times, runs on potato PCs at the moment, and has about 10,000 mods available? What is the point of harping on with this dumb comparison? That's a rhetorical question, by the way. We know the point is trolling.

They are different games, focusing on different things. This is as idiotic as if I went to the Doom Eternal forum and complained that it doesn't have fishing and crafting mechanics. Give it a rest already.

[Johnny]

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You're telling me not to compare Avowed to games it's not only selling itself off the back of but that it has virtually 100% feature overlap with I don't understand. You can do practically everything that you do in Avowed in those games except they're better made. If Avowed can be described as "like skyrim but with less x, y, ,z and no a, b, c" while making literally zero noteworthy additions or improvements WHY IS IT MORE EXPENSIVE?

Oh god, is this still going on?

You can do everything in Skyrim, huh? Can you climb ledges? Can you setup camp and talk to your companions? Do your companions have special abilities? Can you freeze water to create platforms? Are there guns? Funny how trolls never mention those aspects, huh? You realize that Skyrim, as much as I enjoyed it, was described by many upon release as "wide as an ocean, deep as a puddle?" And that its longevity is due to the fact that it got re-released about 7 times, runs on potato PCs at the moment, and has about 10,000 mods available? What is the point of harping on with this dumb comparison? That's a rhetorical question, by the way. We know the point is trolling.

They are different games, focusing on different things. This is as idiotic as if I went to the Doom Eternal forum and complained that it doesn't have fishing and crafting mechanics. Give it a rest already.

I think it is alarming that your positive talking points for avowed were just about the full list of things it actually does add and none of them are unique or compelling in the slightest. Nobody mentions those things because they're forgettable and underwhelming much like the entire game. And if it is putting its effort into different things WHICH THINGS? There's not a single thing they nailed or did well as far as I'm concerned.

[Janthis]

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Oh god, is this still going on?

You can do everything in Skyrim, huh? Can you climb ledges? Can you setup camp and talk to your companions? Do your companions have special abilities? Can you freeze water to create platforms? Are there guns? Funny how trolls never mention those aspects, huh? You realize that Skyrim, as much as I enjoyed it, was described by many upon release as "wide as an ocean, deep as a puddle?" And that its longevity is due to the fact that it got re-released about 7 times, runs on potato PCs at the moment, and has about 10,000 mods available? What is the point of harping on with this dumb comparison? That's a rhetorical question, by the way. We know the point is trolling.

They are different games, focusing on different things. This is as idiotic as if I went to the Doom Eternal forum and complained that it doesn't have fishing and crafting mechanics. Give it a rest already.

I think it is alarming that your positive talking points for avowed were just about the full list of things it actually does add and none of them are unique or compelling in the slightest. Nobody mentions those things because they're forgettable and underwhelming much like the entire game. And if it is putting its effort into different things WHICH THINGS? There's not a single thing they nailed or did well as far as I'm concerned.

All the things I just mentioned, and more. But of course, all those features are "forgettable and underwhelming" while arrows bouncing off walls and NPCs who go to bed at night are super important and vital to gameplay. You're not even attempting to appear in good faith or unbiased at this point. Just go play Skyrim already if it's so much better.

[Johnny]

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I think it is alarming that your positive talking points for avowed were just about the full list of things it actually does add and none of them are unique or compelling in the slightest. Nobody mentions those things because they're forgettable and underwhelming much like the entire game. And if it is putting its effort into different things WHICH THINGS? There's not a single thing they nailed or did well as far as I'm concerned.

All the things I just mentioned, and more. But of course, all those features are "forgettable and underwhelming" while arrows bouncing off walls and NPCs who go to bed at night are super important and vital to gameplay. You're not even attempting to appear in good faith or unbiased at this point. Just go play Skyrim already if it's so much better.

And more like what? More drivel that nobody cares about? Avowed is one of the most dull games I've ever played. if you think Skyrim is as wide as an ocean and deep as a puddle avowed is as wide as a puddle and as deep as a puddle. If you can't specify the "and more" that probably means it simply doesn't exist or matters so little it's not worth mentioning. They CUT DOWN. That's it. It's a CUT DOWN game from titles older than 2007 while being more expensive. It's not just that Skyrim is better it's that damn near any comparable game is. Especially those made by Obsidian. If you're going to defend stepping backwards while charging more be my guest but I sincerely hope you waste $90 on paint drying simulator if that's the case. BTW you still haven't conjured which things they put effort into probably because they didn't put effort into anything. It's bland. It's bad. It's underbaked. It's worse than games of yore and it charges more. That's the reality of it.

[Janthis]

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All the things I just mentioned, and more. But of course, all those features are "forgettable and underwhelming" while arrows bouncing off walls and NPCs who go to bed at night are super important and vital to gameplay. You're not even attempting to appear in good faith or unbiased at this point. Just go play Skyrim already if it's so much better.

And more like what? More drivel that nobody cares about? Avowed is one of the most dull games I've ever played. if you think Skyrim is as wide as an ocean and deep as a puddle avowed is as wide as a puddle and as deep as a puddle. If you can't specify the "and more" that probably means it simply doesn't exist or matters so little it's not worth mentioning. They CUT DOWN. That's it. It's a CUT DOWN game from titles older than 2007 while being more expensive. It's not just that Skyrim is better it's that damn near any comparable game is. Especially those made by Obsidian. If you're going to defend stepping backwards while charging more be my guest but I sincerely hope you waste $90 on paint drying simulator if that's the case. BTW you still haven't conjured which things they put effort into probably because they didn't put effort into anything. It's bland. It's bad. It's underbaked. It's worse than games of yore and it charges more. That's the reality of it.

I and others have given plenty of examples of things Avowed does well, you simply ignored them or claimed they don't matter because you say so. There is no point in further discussion with a disingenuous troll, bye.