Avowed Is A Shallow Experience Claims TheGamer review

[AdahnGorion]

When you say a game is ‘unfinished’, it conjures up very specific images. Ones filled with flat textures, blank NPC faces, clipping through walls and floors, and a general bugginess blockading your every move. Despite Avowed director Carrie Patel warning players of “jank”, this is not the way Avowed is unfinished. It is unfinished on a deeper, and unfortunately far less fixable, level than simply needing a couple of weeks to work out the kinks.

Every avenue you explore in Avowed feels like a dead end. It’s a game that strives for a depth it cannot achieve, but has overcommitted to that depth. At one point I spoke with a council, and both members were dismissive of my plan.. Privately, one of them found me afterwards to admit it was a ruse and plot against the other. I told the other and… she didn’t believe me. Nothing changed, it was the illusion of role-playing inside a set narrative. Another time I had no choice but to fight characters marked as ‘Desperate Smugglers’ before reaching the top of their camp and discovering these smugglers were desperate, at which point I had the option - which was really an obligation - to help them instead. There are dozens of examples of this, big and small, across Avowed.

https://www.thegamer.com/avowed-review/

[Calandir]

And Mortismal said it's amazing. Don't be sheep and try it for yourself. Trusting any influencer is sad. Especially in this day and age.

[AdahnGorion]

Publicado originalmente por Bullion:

Publicado originalmente por AdahnGorion:

When you say a game is ‘unfinished’, it conjures up very specific images. Ones filled with flat textures, blank NPC faces, clipping through walls and floors, and a general bugginess blockading your every move. Despite Avowed director Carrie Patel warning players of “jank”, this is not the way Avowed is unfinished. It is unfinished on a deeper, and unfortunately far less fixable, level than simply needing a couple of weeks to work out the kinks.

Every avenue you explore in Avowed feels like a dead end. It’s a game that strives for a depth it cannot achieve, but has overcommitted to that depth. At one point I spoke with a council, and both members were dismissive of my plan.. Privately, one of them found me afterwards to admit it was a ruse and plot against the other. I told the other and… she didn’t believe me. Nothing changed, it was the illusion of role-playing inside a set narrative. Another time I had no choice but to fight characters marked as ‘Desperate Smugglers’ before reaching the top of their camp and discovering these smugglers were desperate, at which point I had the option - which was really an obligation - to help them instead. There are dozens of examples of this, big and small, across Avowed.

https://www.thegamer.com/avowed-review/

That they reference the janky misquote/misinformation (almost disinformation now) is dumb. At least there isn't really any and one of the pros.

Here is the Gamespot review
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c3JO108dVtk

Are they "pro" enough for you? (I dislike them, we all remember the big scandals of this big game journos)

It gives the game a 6... 6 !!!!!

IGN give it a 7
https://www.ign.com/articles/avowed-review
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kMzqGUyoG1U

[archonsod]

Publicado originalmente por AdahnGorion:

Most large game journos give it 6 or 7.. so its not really a game that is getting much praise (6 and 7 are basically what they give games that are barely functional.. I know its silly)

No, it's what they give to games where the publisher has paid for advertising. 8 or 9 if they'll chuck in an exclusive interview or the like. Anything below 7 means they're advertising with a competitor.

[jjstraka34]

Your investment in this game's failure before it even comes out borders on unhinged.

[woops]

I mean it's probably exactly as I expected from Obsidian: somewhat shallow but I'll still play this RPG because I like fantasy rpgs and Obsidian's dialogues and story are decent enough and they give you some fairly real moral choices. Even if they are very shallow in the end but I mean whatever, I still enjoy telling NPCs to die or that I'm not helping their side and watching them get mad.

[AngelofChaos707]

Publicado originalmente por Traumaturgy:

Mortishill and Fextrafraud are one of worst reviewers out there. If they like this game then it must be awful.

your insane my guy

[Azyle]

More or less it looks like its getting docked for not swinging for the fences and not doing anything new.

Fine by me.

[TheDreamXV]

Publicado originalmente por jjstraka34:

Some aggregator site doesn't care for it, you Mortismal and FextraLife gave solidly positive reviews. Gee, wonder who has more credibility among fans of RPGs.......

Mort picked Veilguard as his GOTY, saying nothing about degrading woke narrative and story.

There are more honest reviews about the Avowed, and they are catastrophic about the agenda and how bad roleplay and everything else is.

[GodfatherPlunger]

It being shallow as a main critic of the reviewers seems hypocritical, given that most so called "RPGs" are actually shallow and have severely lacking dialogue and roleplaying options. Not that this makes this game better, but its weird to say the least. Shallow is a word I could use to describe around 90% of mainstream games in the last decade.
Not sure if they finally understood that, if its even worse or if they weren't paid enough.

[woops]

Publicado originalmente por GodfatherPlunger:

It being shallow as a main critic of the reviewers seems hypocritical, given that most so called "RPGs" are actually shallow and have severely lacking dialogue and roleplaying options. Not that this makes this game better, but its weird to say the least. Shallow is a word I could use to describe around 90% of mainstream games in the last decade.
Not sure if they finally understood that, if its even worse or if they weren't paid enough.

also true, how is Elden Ring not extremely shallow as well? the quest dialogue texts of the entire game can probably fit on 3 pages and it's not like those ever lead to much of anything. Elden Ring is the perfect example of fake depth

[Dyne1319]

If you think Elden Ring is shallow, you didn't play it.

[AdahnGorion]

Publicado originalmente por jjstraka34:

Your investment in this game's failure before it even comes out borders on unhinged.

Because I showcase a few reviews?
This was the first one that came in. I have a whole thread dedicated to all of them where the score is 80 overall.

But people seem to be more interested in this thread. Think about that for a secound.

[AdahnGorion]

Publicado originalmente por GodfatherPlunger:

It being shallow as a main critic of the reviewers seems hypocritical, given that most so called "RPGs" are actually shallow and have severely lacking dialogue and roleplaying options. Not that this makes this game better, but its weird to say the least. Shallow is a word I could use to describe around 90% of mainstream games in the last decade.
Not sure if they finally understood that, if its even worse or if they weren't paid enough.

I disagree.
Most RPGs (actual aRPG and cRPGs) are not shallow, they are rather deep.. the issue is that the mainstream think that Action Adventures for console are RPGs..

I fully agree that shallow is basically what most "not all" but most console centric mainstream games are.. That does not mean I can´t say I dislike this trend and want a deeper experience.

This is a radical change of focus from the original PoE games and towards this new one.. it is like similar to the deroute DA took.

[archonsod]

Publicado originalmente por GodfatherPlunger:

It being shallow as a main critic of the reviewers seems hypocritical, given that most so called "RPGs" are actually shallow and have severely lacking dialogue and roleplaying options.

Yep. In fact the main criticism seems to be one I'd level at Western RPGs in general, going all the way back to the original Wizardry; they're great at giving you the illusion of choice, not so much at making those choices actually matter. For obvious reasons; they're not going to quadruple the content of a game so you really can be evil/good/whatever isn't pre-ordained by Plot.

Not sure if they finally understood that, if its even worse or if they weren't paid enough.

From the reviews I think it's the same problem they had with Outer Worlds. Game doesn't do anything to stand out so there's nothing to gush over, but it doesn't do anything wrong either so there's little to criticise beyond nitpicking. Makes it hard for journo's and content creators because you can't really get a decent video or article going on the premise of 'you'll probably like it if you like this sort of thing, you probably won't if you don't'.

[Adolfmanden]

Publicado originalmente por Calandir:

And Mortismal said it's amazing. Don't be sheep and try it for yourself. Trusting any influencer is sad. Especially in this day and age.

Mortismal equals zero credibility. "Try it yourself" is not a practical solution, when "try" equals "buy it yourself". People should be allowed to gather data to form an opinion without buying potential feces.