A Message for Matt Hansen

[Antvietnam]

Hey Matt,

I saw your little manifesto about wanting to replace “crusty white dudes” in gaming with Black artists and how it’s apparently your life’s mission to help make it happen. Bold talk from someone banking on a player base largely made up of those same “crusty white dudes.”

Here’s the reality: Gamers don’t care what color their developer’s skin is. They care about great games. The problem is when people like you turn development into a diversity checklist instead of focusing on gameplay, storytelling, and fun. Pushing narratives and identity politics might get you Twitter applause, but it won’t make your games sell.

The backlash you’re seeing? That’s gamers waking up to the fact that the industry is being hijacked by people more interested in activism than artistry. And here’s the kicker: you can’t force players to support you. No amount of virtue signaling will save a bad game, and no one is sticking around for a lecture wrapped in mediocre gameplay.

When your game tanks, and it will if you keep up this nonsense, I hope you find peace in the woods. At least there, you’ll only have squirrels and trees to preach to. Tick tock, Matt. Gaming doesn’t need you; it needs creators who actually respect their audience.

Cheers,
A Gamer Who Just Wants Fun Back

[bunnygills]

Why do you feel entitled for fun from exploited proletariates who work on the games and are often diverse themselves?

[Antvietnam]

Publicado originalmente por bunnygills:

Why do you feel entitled for fun from exploited proletariates who work on the games and are often diverse themselves?

Game devs aren’t running a charity; they’re running a business. If I’m shelling out my hard-earned cash, I expect a product that delivers entertainment, not a guilt trip. If the devs are being exploited, that’s an issue for their management to fix—not the players.

Also, diversity doesn’t magically excuse bad writing, poor gameplay, or broken mechanics. If the “proletariates” want to unionize, cool, I support that. But don’t use their struggle as a shield for pushing subpar games or agendas. Fun first, politics later.

[dookylove666]

Publicado originalmente por bunnygills:

Why do you feel entitled for fun from exploited proletariates who work on the games and are often diverse themselves?

Are you dumb? People are entitled to fun because of the money they spend. So in your world people would just buy every game whether it sucks or not because........? The poor wittle devs? Get bent dude.

[Antvietnam]

Publicado originalmente por dookylove666:

Publicado originalmente por bunnygills:

Why do you feel entitled for fun from exploited proletariates who work on the games and are often diverse themselves?

Are you dumb? People are entitled to fun because of the money they spend. So in your world people would just buy every game whether it sucks or not because........? The poor wittle devs? Get bent dude.

These troglodytes love to pull on the emotions of others. It’s so pathetic.

[Wiliestrogue]

DEI = DOA
Gamers have spoken.

We're also pretty sick of being called names and tolerating racist companies.
Concord might outsell this game.

[JOKER]

They're cooked lol

[Mugiwara]

I get accused of being a hater regularly. As a POE fan however, the honest truth when it comes to Avowed is, I am just bored of it and it hasn't even released yet. Tainted Grail: Fall Of Avalon is a much better prospect.

[Mugiwara]

Publicado originalmente por bunnygills:

Why do you feel entitled for fun from exploited proletariates who work on the games and are often diverse themselves?

Erm, you understand the nature of business and customer yes?

[patrick68794]

Publicado originalmente por Mugiwara:

I get accused of being a hater regularly. As a POE fan however, the honest truth when it comes to Avowed is, I am just bored of it and it hasn't even released yet. Tainted Grail: Fall Of Avalon is a much better prospect.

Avowed looks a lot better. Tainted Grail is okay but is far from being close to the quality of any of Obsidian's previous games.

[Mugiwara]

Publicado originalmente por patrick68794:

Publicado originalmente por Mugiwara:

I get accused of being a hater regularly. As a POE fan however, the honest truth when it comes to Avowed is, I am just bored of it and it hasn't even released yet. Tainted Grail: Fall Of Avalon is a much better prospect.

Avowed looks a lot better. Tainted Grail is okay but is far from being close to the quality of any of Obsidian's previous games.

Disingenuous statement, one has an imminent release the other does not...

[patrick68794]

Publicado originalmente por Mugiwara:

Publicado originalmente por patrick68794:

Avowed looks a lot better. Tainted Grail is okay but is far from being close to the quality of any of Obsidian's previous games.

Disingenuous statement, one has an imminent release the other does not...

lol no more disingenuous than your statement was. One of them is currently playable by the general public and one is not. You can't actually say if Tainted Grail is a "better prospect" objectively without being able to play them both. You can however make a pretty reasonable assumption about Avowed's quality based on their previous games (most of which have been far higher quality from an objective standpoint when compared to Tainted Grail's currently available release). And I'm only saying "most" because Pentiment is so different from any of their previous releases.

[Dragon Master]

Publicado originalmente por bunnygills:

Why do you feel entitled for fun from exploited proletariates who work on the games and are often diverse themselves?

For one simple reason: video games are part of the entertainment industry. They need to entertain, first and foremost. Fun must be the number 1 priority.

If the product demands fun and when it is sold it is not fun then it is a bad product. Diversity has nothing to do with it because it's still a bad product. If the people making the game are prioritizing their socio-political activism over giving gamers fun games to play then they deserve to go out of business.

If they are being exploited then that is between them and their managers, not us the consumers. We gamers don't care about any of that. The only thing we care about is the quality of the product we are paying for, and if we determine it isn't worth the asking price then they will go out of business and fail and it will 100% be their own fault.

[patrick68794]

Publicado originalmente por Dragon Master:

Publicado originalmente por bunnygills:

Why do you feel entitled for fun from exploited proletariates who work on the games and are often diverse themselves?

For one simple reason: video games are part of the entertainment industry. They need to entertain, first and foremost. Fun must be the number 1 priority.

If the product demands fun and when it is sold it is not fun then it is a bad product. Diversity has nothing to do with it because it's still a bad product. If the people making the game are prioritizing their socio-political activism over giving gamers fun games to play then they deserve to go out of business.

If they are being exploited then that is between them and their managers, not us the consumers. We gamers don't care about any of that. The only thing we care about is the quality of the product we are paying for, and if we determine it isn't worth the asking price then they will go out of business and fail and it will 100% be their own fault.

How do you know this game is a "bad product" though? Most of the actual previews have been very positive

[Mugiwara]

Publicado originalmente por patrick68794:

Publicado originalmente por Mugiwara:

Disingenuous statement, one has an imminent release the other does not...

lol no more disingenuous than your statement was. One of them is currently playable by the general public and one is not. You can't actually say if Tainted Grail is a "better prospect" objectively without being able to play them both. You can however make a pretty reasonable assumption about Avowed's quality based on their previous games (most of which have been far higher quality from an objective standpoint when compared to Tainted Grail's currently available release). And I'm only saying "most" because Pentiment is so different from any of their previous releases.

Of course I can, "prospect" implies potential, not end product. As for your point about Obsidian's track record as per their history that kind of went out the window with Matt Hansen's diatribe and now we have come full circle as per Op's thread.

[patrick68794]

Publicado originalmente por Mugiwara:

Publicado originalmente por patrick68794:

lol no more disingenuous than your statement was. One of them is currently playable by the general public and one is not. You can't actually say if Tainted Grail is a "better prospect" objectively without being able to play them both. You can however make a pretty reasonable assumption about Avowed's quality based on their previous games (most of which have been far higher quality from an objective standpoint when compared to Tainted Grail's currently available release). And I'm only saying "most" because Pentiment is so different from any of their previous releases.

Of course I can, "prospect" implies potential, not end product. As for your point about Obsidian's track record as per their history that kind of went out the window with Matt Hansen's diatribe and now we have come full circle as per Op's thread.

Incorrect. You cannot objectively assess or compare the potential for the games in any meaningful way without actually playing both of them.

You can personally (which means useless in this context, by the way) think that Tainted Grail looks like a game that caters to your tastes more but that is a nonsense argument and has no bearing on the actual "prospect" of the games from anything approaching an objective standpoint.

Also, Matt Hansen has worked on previous Obsidian games, all of which were pretty well received. His statement doesn't negate the work he did and/or oversaw on those games. He was an artist for Pillars 1, lead artist for Pillars 2, and the art director for the Outer Worlds expansions