A Message for Matt Hansen

[Antvietnam]

Hey Matt,

I saw your little manifesto about wanting to replace “crusty white dudes” in gaming with Black artists and how it’s apparently your life’s mission to help make it happen. Bold talk from someone banking on a player base largely made up of those same “crusty white dudes.”

Here’s the reality: Gamers don’t care what color their developer’s skin is. They care about great games. The problem is when people like you turn development into a diversity checklist instead of focusing on gameplay, storytelling, and fun. Pushing narratives and identity politics might get you Twitter applause, but it won’t make your games sell.

The backlash you’re seeing? That’s gamers waking up to the fact that the industry is being hijacked by people more interested in activism than artistry. And here’s the kicker: you can’t force players to support you. No amount of virtue signaling will save a bad game, and no one is sticking around for a lecture wrapped in mediocre gameplay.

When your game tanks, and it will if you keep up this nonsense, I hope you find peace in the woods. At least there, you’ll only have squirrels and trees to preach to. Tick tock, Matt. Gaming doesn’t need you; it needs creators who actually respect their audience.

Cheers,
A Gamer Who Just Wants Fun Back

[Charola]

Originally posted by Dragon Master:

Originally posted by patrick68794:

lol and what "bad games" from the last decade are you basing this on? I'm assuming you're just ignoring all of the good games like Baldur's Gate 3 and Cyberpunk that have done the same sorts of things so you can say "see, all these bad games prove my point" because you don't have actually have a legitimate argument here.

Well, let's go shall we.

1. Concord
2. Dragon Age: The Veilguard
3. Saints Row Reboot
4. Forspoken
5. Dustborn
6. Immortals of Aveum
7. Alan Wake 2 (the developers still haven't earned a single penny)
8. Redfall
9. Anthem
10. Mass Effect: Andromeda
11. Battlefield V (the whole woman with a prosthetic being on the front lines of WW2 and the developers telling everyone if they didn't like it don't buy it, and people chose not to buy it)
12. Suicide Squad: Kill the Justice League
13. Star Wars: Outlaws
14. Skull and Bones
15. Mortal Kombat 11
16. Tales of Kanzara: Zau
17. Flintlock: The Siege of Dawn
18. Avatar: Frontiers of Pandora
19. Baldur's Gate: Siege of Dragonspear
20. Starfield


Special mention of an expansion to an MMO that almost killed its playerbase: Final Fantasy 14 Dawntrail.

Special mention of a game that had a lot of hype but social pandering by the developers and the overall development hell the game has been in effectively killing any chances of it succeeding: Vampire: The Masquerade Bloodlines 2.

You mentioned good games without woke like Alan Wake 2 and Avatar

Games that made money like Starfield but with divisive player opinion

And games that are just bad without woke like Star Wars Outlaws, Redfall, Skull and Bones

These are good games that have inclusion

BG3, Cyberpunk, Dragon age origins and Inquisition, Trilogy Mass effect

[Dragon Master]

Originally posted by Charola:

Originally posted by Dragon Master:

Well, let's go shall we.

1. Concord
2. Dragon Age: The Veilguard
3. Saints Row Reboot
4. Forspoken
5. Dustborn
6. Immortals of Aveum
7. Alan Wake 2 (the developers still haven't earned a single penny)
8. Redfall
9. Anthem
10. Mass Effect: Andromeda
11. Battlefield V (the whole woman with a prosthetic being on the front lines of WW2 and the developers telling everyone if they didn't like it don't buy it, and people chose not to buy it)
12. Suicide Squad: Kill the Justice League
13. Star Wars: Outlaws
14. Skull and Bones
15. Mortal Kombat 11
16. Tales of Kanzara: Zau
17. Flintlock: The Siege of Dawn
18. Avatar: Frontiers of Pandora
19. Baldur's Gate: Siege of Dragonspear
20. Starfield


Special mention of an expansion to an MMO that almost killed its playerbase: Final Fantasy 14 Dawntrail.

Special mention of a game that had a lot of hype but social pandering by the developers and the overall development hell the game has been in effectively killing any chances of it succeeding: Vampire: The Masquerade Bloodlines 2.

You mentioned good games without woke like Alan Wake 2 and Avatar

Games that made money like Starfield but with divisive player opinion

And games that are just bad without woke like Star Wars Outlaws, Redfall, Skull and Bones

These are good games that have inclusion

BG3, Cyberpunk, Dragon age origins and Inquisition, Trilogy Mass effect

Every game I mentioned failed, and every one of them fell into the same pattern of behavior by developers or in-game (ugly women, developers attacking fans, pushing a message in a hamfisted way, etc), or the studios in question destroyed their own reputation by using said patterns of behavior and lost the trust of the customer.

Whether you classify the games on the list as woke or not woke is something I genuinely do not care about. Every game on the list falls into the pattern, and the games you are trying to state as the exceptions did NOT fall into those patterns.

[Cassidy0z]

Originally posted by Charola:

Originally posted by Dragon Master:

Well, let's go shall we.

1. Concord
2. Dragon Age: The Veilguard
3. Saints Row Reboot
4. Forspoken
5. Dustborn
6. Immortals of Aveum
7. Alan Wake 2 (the developers still haven't earned a single penny)
8. Redfall
9. Anthem
10. Mass Effect: Andromeda
11. Battlefield V (the whole woman with a prosthetic being on the front lines of WW2 and the developers telling everyone if they didn't like it don't buy it, and people chose not to buy it)
12. Suicide Squad: Kill the Justice League
13. Star Wars: Outlaws
14. Skull and Bones
15. Mortal Kombat 11
16. Tales of Kanzara: Zau
17. Flintlock: The Siege of Dawn
18. Avatar: Frontiers of Pandora
19. Baldur's Gate: Siege of Dragonspear
20. Starfield


Special mention of an expansion to an MMO that almost killed its playerbase: Final Fantasy 14 Dawntrail.

Special mention of a game that had a lot of hype but social pandering by the developers and the overall development hell the game has been in effectively killing any chances of it succeeding: Vampire: The Masquerade Bloodlines 2.

You mentioned good games without woke like Alan Wake 2 and Avatar

Games that made money like Starfield but with divisive player opinion

And games that are just bad without woke like Star Wars Outlaws, Redfall, Skull and Bones

These are good games that have inclusion

BG3, Cyberpunk, Dragon age origins and Inquisition, Trilogy Mass effect

No he has a pretty good list there. BG3 sure, the rest of those no.

[Dragon Master]

Originally posted by Avatar of Prince Cmon:

Originally posted by Charola:

You mentioned good games without woke like Alan Wake 2 and Avatar

Games that made money like Starfield but with divisive player opinion

And games that are just bad without woke like Star Wars Outlaws, Redfall, Skull and Bones

These are good games that have inclusion

BG3, Cyberpunk, Dragon age origins and Inquisition, Trilogy Mass effect

No he has a pretty good list there. BG3 sure, the rest of those no.

And even in the case of BG3 no one at Larian attacked anyone, the game doesn't push a narrative as it lets players make whatever choice they want and kill/abandon any companion they want and gives the players absolute total freedom to do what they want within the rules of the game and the writers did their best to try and come up with as many different permutations that gamers could think of and account for them so that the story allows it.

Most of the games on the list don't give players that freedom.

[patrick68794]

Originally posted by Dragon Master:

Originally posted by Avatar of Prince Cmon:

No he has a pretty good list there. BG3 sure, the rest of those no.

And even in the case of BG3 no one at Larian attacked anyone, the game doesn't push a narrative as it lets players make whatever choice they want and kill/abandon any companion they want and gives the players absolute total freedom to do what they want within the rules of the game and the writers did their best to try and come up with as many different permutations that gamers could think of and account for them so that the story allows it.

Most of the games on the list don't give players that freedom.

How do you know Avowed won't do the same? Most of the previews have made special note of how impactful the player's choices can be and how "evil" the player can be.

[Dragon Master]

Originally posted by patrick68794:

Originally posted by Dragon Master:

And even in the case of BG3 no one at Larian attacked anyone, the game doesn't push a narrative as it lets players make whatever choice they want and kill/abandon any companion they want and gives the players absolute total freedom to do what they want within the rules of the game and the writers did their best to try and come up with as many different permutations that gamers could think of and account for them so that the story allows it.

Most of the games on the list don't give players that freedom.

How do you know Avowed won't do the same? Most of the previews have made special note of how impactful the player's choices can be and how "evil" the player can be.

Time will tell, but I can tell you this; because of the pattern of behavior by Obsidian and Matt Hansen and what has come out in the game, most gamers are not even going to give it a chance to prove me wrong.

Matt Hansen's sperg out on social media and his racist comments effectively killed this game having a chance of succeeding.

I do find it hilarious that my point to why people avoid games that fall under certain recognizable patterns by the developers or in the marketing leading up to the game got dismissed until I posted a list of games going back a decade, all of which financially failed, all of which used the same pattern of behavior that Obsidian is doing with Avowed, and yet that point is being rejected outright.

Let me spell it out for you; this game will not be given a chance by the majority of gamers because of pattern recognition, Matt Hansen's spergout on social media and Matt Hansen's racist statements. It's not even being given a chance by the people defending this game based on how low the preorder numbers are and how few mouse icons there are, and the financial support is the only support that matters.

[patrick68794]

Originally posted by Dragon Master:

Originally posted by patrick68794:

How do you know Avowed won't do the same? Most of the previews have made special note of how impactful the player's choices can be and how "evil" the player can be.

Time will tell, but I can tell you this; because of the pattern of behavior by Obsidian and Matt Hansen and what has come out in the game, most gamers are not even going to give it a chance to prove me wrong.

Matt Hansen's sperg out on social media and his racist comments effectively killed this game having a chance of succeeding.

I do find it hilarious that my point to why people avoid games that fall under certain recognizable patterns by the developers or in the marketing leading up to the game got dismissed until I posted a list of games going back a decade, all of which financially failed, all of which used the same pattern of behavior that Obsidian is doing with Avowed, and yet that point is being rejected outright.

Let me spell it out for you; this game will not be given a chance by the majority of gamers because of pattern recognition, Matt Hansen's spergout on social media and Matt Hansen's racist statements. It's not even being given a chance by the people defending this game based on how low the preorder numbers are and how few mouse icons there are, and the financial support is the only support that matters.

Some of those games you posted were most definitely "financially successful" lol Starfield for example, was absolutely a financial success.

[Character Name]

While I have to agree that Hansen's bizarre rants have damaged the game and the industry as a whole, I say we should hold off on judging Avowed until we can actually play the game, and see how "woke" it actually is.

[rustdwarf]

Originally posted by Verde:

Originally posted by Character Name:

While I have to agree that Hansen's bizarre rants have damaged the game and the industry as a whole, I say we should hold off on judging Avowed until we can actually play the game, and see how "woke" it actually is.

Avowed could as well be the best RPG ever made, it still wouldn't change the fact that Matt Hansen is an unhinged and unapologetic racist, and that we shouldn't reward that kind of abhorrent behavior financially out of sheer principle.

I myself was following Avowed since its initial announcement and was looking forward to playing it as I love the world of PoE, however, at the end of the day it's just a piece of entertainment and I won't sacrifice my integrity for a dozen of hours of entertainment.

I refuse to support people like Matt Hansen and studios that stand firmly behind those kinds of cancerous people.

Cry me a river, you are painting him racist only because he is a leftist. No way you people are genuine about the racism thing based on a single poorly worded good intention 5 year old tweet, and at the same time having 9000 excuses for Elun's sieg-heil

[Shotoku]

Developers in the East must be smacking thier lips at the prospect of making massive profits as Western devs slowly dig themselves out the woke pit they made.

[Cassidy0z]

Originally posted by Shotoku:

Developers in the East must be smacking thier lips at the prospect of making massive profits as Western devs slowly dig themselves out the woke pit they made.

Like vultures over a carcass.

[AngeredPeterG76]

Originally posted by Antvietnam:

Hey Matt,

I saw your little manifesto about wanting to replace “crusty white dudes” in gaming with Black artists and how it’s apparently your life’s mission to help make it happen. Bold talk from someone banking on a player base largely made up of those same “crusty white dudes.”

Here’s the reality: Gamers don’t care what color their developer’s skin is. They care about great games. The problem is when people like you turn development into a diversity checklist instead of focusing on gameplay, storytelling, and fun. Pushing narratives and identity politics might get you Twitter applause, but it won’t make your games sell.

The backlash you’re seeing? That’s gamers waking up to the fact that the industry is being hijacked by people more interested in activism than artistry. And here’s the kicker: you can’t force players to support you. No amount of virtue signaling will save a bad game, and no one is sticking around for a lecture wrapped in mediocre gameplay.

When your game tanks, and it will if you keep up this nonsense, I hope you find peace in the woods. At least there, you’ll only have squirrels and trees to preach to. Tick tock, Matt. Gaming doesn’t need you; it needs creators who actually respect their audience.

Cheers,
A Gamer Who Just Wants Fun Back

Do you really think he's going to read this? Get a life, chud.

[510deshawn]

Big facts

[Antvietnam]

Originally posted by AngeredPeterG76:

Originally posted by Antvietnam:

Hey Matt,

I saw your little manifesto about wanting to replace “crusty white dudes” in gaming with Black artists and how it’s apparently your life’s mission to help make it happen. Bold talk from someone banking on a player base largely made up of those same “crusty white dudes.”

Here’s the reality: Gamers don’t care what color their developer’s skin is. They care about great games. The problem is when people like you turn development into a diversity checklist instead of focusing on gameplay, storytelling, and fun. Pushing narratives and identity politics might get you Twitter applause, but it won’t make your games sell.

The backlash you’re seeing? That’s gamers waking up to the fact that the industry is being hijacked by people more interested in activism than artistry. And here’s the kicker: you can’t force players to support you. No amount of virtue signaling will save a bad game, and no one is sticking around for a lecture wrapped in mediocre gameplay.

When your game tanks, and it will if you keep up this nonsense, I hope you find peace in the woods. At least there, you’ll only have squirrels and trees to preach to. Tick tock, Matt. Gaming doesn’t need you; it needs creators who actually respect their audience.

Cheers,
A Gamer Who Just Wants Fun Back

Do you really think he's going to read this? Get a life, chud.

Stay away from children

[Monochromatic Spider]

"Gamers don’t care what color their developer’s skin is."
Says a gamer very concerned that some of the developers of his game might not be straight, white dudes.