Red Flags

[Sentry | Snuggly lil guy :3]

so, from the trailer alone, I spot several problems.

1.) Since when is Stauf's Hill/clifftop mansion only reachable by boat?

2.) Every visible character has been recast, which means it's likely we won't get Hirschboeck's Stauf, and Stauf is not Stauf without Robert Hirschboeck's acting.

3.) For better or for worse, they appear to have scrapped the original puzzles.

4.) With new puzzles and new acting (and the fact that Tad comes outside to talk to the player for some reason), there's gotta be a new story.

5.) The website lists the music as "inspired by the original" but that could mean literally anything.

6.) The website also shows the visual edits they've made to the house, with a dilapidated style more akin to 11th hour than the original 7th guest. There is also a portrait at the top of the stairs that is VERY MUCH NOT Hirschboeck!

With all these apparent changes, can they really call it 7th guest anymore? They've stripped away everything but the name and the layout of the house. Unless the trailer is EXREMELY misleading, this is not 7th Guest, and to call it so is a dagger to the heart of every one of its fans. Shame on you Trilobyte, for selling this IP to someone who just wanted the label.

EDIT: Forgot Red Flag #6:

[Xymon Owain]

1) Assumption. By boat is possibly one, not the only, route.
[EDIT] Also, canonically, the house is right by a lake:
“One of the other guys snickered. It was getting darker. A cold breeze had sprung up off the lake. He heard other voices, just up the street. Billy waved for all the others to duck down behind the bushes. Six people walked though the gate of the Stauf place. They climbed the path toward the front door.”

2) Well, the original cast weren’t exactly young back then - of course they’ve been recast. You can’t use poor quality FMV from decades ago in VR!

3) Obviously. Most of the 2D puzzles won’t translate into VR. Chess puzzles maybe, and The Chapel Floor will be amazing in VR, but the Telescope puzzle? Threes & Fives? Heart gate flow? Yeurgh.

4) Nope. Already confirmed to be an expanded version of Matt Costello’s story (much of which was left out of the original game)

5) Does not mean literally anything, but exactly what it says. Inspired by. It will be reminiscent of 7th Guest, with similar themes, motifs, and atmosfear, but not exactly the same.

6) Well, the Stauf Mansion in 11th Hour is what it should have looked like in 7th Guest (except for the ghost scenes/memories) if technology had allowed it.

Seems to me, you just want the original game. Well, you already have that. For VR, you have to rebuild from the ground up. That means: expanding the story, utilizing modern tech, and yes - hiring new actors to replace those who are dead/too old. You cannot create modern gameplay using decades old incompatible assets.

[Sentry | Snuggly lil guy :3]

Originally posted by Xymon Owain:

1) Assumption. By boat is possibly one, not the only, route.
[EDIT] Also, canonically, the house is right by a lake:
“One of the other guys snickered. It was getting darker. A cold breeze had sprung up off the lake. He heard other voices, just up the street. Billy waved for all the others to duck down behind the bushes. Six people walked though the gate of the Stauf place. They climbed the path toward the front door.”

where are you pulling this quote from exactly?

Originally posted by Xymon Owain:

2) Well, the original cast weren’t exactly young back then - of course they’ve been recast. You can’t use poor quality FMV from decades ago in VR!

Yes, it's clear that a recast is needed as most of the acting was subpar in the original. I say most because Stauf was done perfectly, and unless Hirschboeck turned it down, it is a crime to recast him.

Originally posted by Xymon Owain:

3) Obviously. Most of the 2D puzzles won’t translate into VR. Chess puzzles maybe, and The Chapel Floor will be amazing in VR, but the Telescope puzzle? Threes & Fives? Heart gate flow? Yeurgh.

while some puzzles don't make sense for vr, they are in the minority. Just because a puzzle might be a little hard to utilize in vr, doesn't mean it should be scrapped. What really irks me is that we have footage of replacements for puzzles that could have easily been done in vr(cake puzzle) that have clearly lost the visual touch of the original.

Originally posted by Xymon Owain:

4) Nope. Already confirmed to be an expanded version of Matt Costello’s story (much of which was left out of the original game)

I'll give you that one.

Originally posted by Xymon Owain:

5) Does not mean literally anything, but exactly what it says. Inspired by. It will be reminiscent of 7th Guest, with similar themes, motifs, and atmosfear, but not exactly the same.

And that is a shame, because Team Fat's score(as always) works with the scenario flawlessly. Having something similar to the score, is not the same, especially when the score isn't that difficult to accomplish. George Sanger's still composing, and recently touched up the complete soundtrack, so it's clear he still has interest. It would take more effort to create a sanger-adjacent score then to get a sanger score. (also, bit of a nitpick, but unless it involves an angry Belarusian man throwing people into black holes, it is spelled "Atmosphere" not "Atmosfear")

Originally posted by Xymon Owain:

6) Well, the Stauf Mansion in 11th Hour is what it should have looked like in 7th Guest (except for the ghost scenes/memories) if technology had allowed it.

what exactly about the technology changed between the 1st and 2nd? and how would this change the display of pre-rendered environments? the clean house of the 1st works because it symbolizes the presence of the 6 guests and stauf. the dilapidated presence of the 2nd works because it mirror's stauf's fall and struggle post-Tad.

Originally posted by Xymon Owain:

Seems to me, you just want the original game.

I want 7th guest VR, not A VR game loosely inspired by 7th guest. The two are not the same. 7th guest as a game series and brand has been burned enough by cash grabs(see board game and 25th edition) and a misguided fangame, I'd really hate to see another blow to such an iconic franchise.

[Xymon Owain]

1) Quote is from The 7th Guest: A Novel, by Matthew Costello (and Craig Shaw Gardner), who also wrote the game script. Can’t get more canon than that. Plus, The Stauf Files, place the Stauf Mansion in the river town of Harley (or Harley-On-Hudson). So, the Mansion is potentially accessible via street, lake, or the Hudson River.
6) Technology changed. Plus time and budget. The house should never have been in such a pristine condition in The 7th Guest. It’s decrepit by the time Ego appears. 11th Hour had the correct look.

[Hoshi82]

If someone can read or check their homepage the person would know that The 7th Guest VR is not a 1to1 recreation of the original game into VR and instead a re-imagine of said original game. Keeping the lore but taking the freedom to make it work in VR yet still beeing inspired by the original game.

https://www.the7thguest-vr.com/

[gorba]

Your comments sound like, "I don't like that song because they played it in the key of G instead of D." It's essentially the same song.

[R3dF0x [Qc]]

Red Flag for you, but for me it's a GREEN Flag !!!

Yes I knew the original, but it's so far away that I don't remember the plot.
Also, I'm not a nostalgic person.

[Promark_747™]

exactly. This is more like 7th guest 2, vr.

[AJSarley223]

Originally posted by Promark_747™:

exactly. This is more like 7th guest 2, vr.

Nope, it IS The 7th Guest ONE. We see the guests arriving in the Foyer at the start (watch the demo playthroughs) introducing themselves. That only happens in the original game.

Originally posted by Sinistar:

4.) With new puzzles and new acting (and the fact that Tad comes outside to talk to the player for some reason), there's gotta be a new story.

Yes, the actors are different. Yes, the lines are different. However, I still recognize all the characters by name, and SO FAR (from what I've seen after watching only the demo) the story and characters are all consistent with the original story; the details are just artistic license.

Originally posted by Sinistar:

2.) Every visible character has been recast, which means it's likely we won't get Hirschboeck's Stauf, and Stauf is not Stauf without Robert Hirschboeck's acting.

I completely understand; I'll always remember Hirschboeck as Stauf because- let's face it- he nailed crazy, sick and mean. Same goes for Alan Young (rest his soul) as Scrooge McDuck. But I have to make allowances given the 25-year time gap between this and the original game; it's impossible to get all (if any) of the original alumni to reshoot the scenes due to advancing age. Martine Burden wouldn't be as sexy as she was three decades ago. I don't know about you, but I'm going in with an open mind. Hopefully, the next Stauf actor does justice to the character.