generative AI?

[MockingjayRising]

based on what I can see it looks like the game uses gen AI, can anyone confirm or deny?
it sucks bc I was really looking forward to playing this but I refuse to support companies that use gen AI, it steals from artists, and is really environmentally harmful

[Manoman]

Originally posted by MockingjayRising:

I will say I appreciate you being calm while speaking, and you are also entitled to your own opinion, but if to refuse to listen to the hundreds and thousands of artists crying out that their art is being stolen, and claim that AI isn’t theft, you clearly have no respect for the art community and its creators. And as for comparing it to digital art, that’s a false equivalence. Digital art is a valid art form because it requires human skill, experience, thought. AI requires none of that, it is simply putting words into a prompt to generate art based off of unconsenting and uncompensated artists work. As a digital artist myself it took years of practice to reach the skill level I am today, when I design a character or draw a picture, each element I add is a choice. The colors, the shapes, the expressions. Once again, AI puts no thought behind that. And as for your disability, I am sorry, but that doesn’t entitle you to other artists work, because again, AI DOES steal from artists. If you want to be the one avoiding misinformation then I suggest you speak to actual members of the art community, there are so many examples of artists seeing their art used for AI without their consent and they can put it into words much better than I can. And if you truly want art of your characters or anything else, commission an artist! There are so many talented artists who could use the support right now, with so many different art styles and price points. And if you can’t afford to do so, there are other sites that can help bring mainly chart to life. The Gacha life games, picrews and other such apps and websites are free and available for anyone to use. There are so many ways to obtain art without using an app or engine that steals and does immense damage to the environment.

We didn't know you were the spokesperson for artists.

Art theft existed long before AI, with fake paintings, sculptures, etc...
AI has not only allowed people without talent to have it, but has allowed those with artistic talent to simplify their work, or even improve it.

AI doesn't work by itself, someone works on it to tell it what to do, how to do it, when to do it, what to do it with, stop your SKYNET fantasy that replaces us.

A word of advice: learn to use AI, otherwise your artist friends who do it will take your place, and you'll only have your eyes left to cry with.
Either you learn to live with the new technologies that will be the center of your profession, or with every job search, your application will come after all the artists who master AI.
If today you think you already have a job and you can never be replaced, when your company has to start working with the new tools at their disposal (AI), either you will learn, or they will replace you.

[Finras]

the issue is...ppl dont really GET what is AI really is... the AI here is all inhouse and based for the game only. ppl really do mix up what is AI vs just a script doing a job. like minecraft world building gen....if minecraft came out this year it would be labeled as AI

[Loomy]

Considering the fact that none of the AI training data in this game is copyrighted to someone else; this one should get a pass. I think most artists just aren't happy with their assets being used to train an AI without consent—which I can fully understand.

[InuakiFox]

AI do not steal anything, it is learning and adapting. If you are in art school, you also learn techniques other artists have used over the centuries and draw your own style with the same techniques. Imagine nobody should be allowed to take the same picture from one object or location that have already been pictured or drawed. The art is always the vision from the creator, the tools an artist works with is on it's own. AI for example does not take away your vision, you still have to imagine what you want and describe it as good as you imagine it.
For drawing, you need to envision anything too and bring it down with your tools, weather it is with pen and paper, photoshop, krita, gimp or even AI. I remember that there was a similar discussion about art when programs like photoshop got popular that some people said, art is what is drawn on a real canvas, not in digitals.
Another similar discussion was between photographers when everybody got a digital camera or a smartphone with a good camera, they all at first act out of fear that anything new would replace the need of the artist until they than realize what the artist can do with that new stuff.

So why bother about that AI stuff? You can still play the game on your own without working with the AI for creating stuff.

[Raï 𓆣]

Originally posted by Manoman:

Originally posted by MockingjayRising:

I will say I appreciate you being calm while speaking, and you are also entitled to your own opinion, but if to refuse to listen to the hundreds and thousands of artists crying out that their art is being stolen, and claim that AI isn’t theft, you clearly have no respect for the art community and its creators. And as for comparing it to digital art, that’s a false equivalence. Digital art is a valid art form because it requires human skill, experience, thought. AI requires none of that, it is simply putting words into a prompt to generate art based off of unconsenting and uncompensated artists work. As a digital artist myself it took years of practice to reach the skill level I am today, when I design a character or draw a picture, each element I add is a choice. The colors, the shapes, the expressions. Once again, AI puts no thought behind that. And as for your disability, I am sorry, but that doesn’t entitle you to other artists work, because again, AI DOES steal from artists. If you want to be the one avoiding misinformation then I suggest you speak to actual members of the art community, there are so many examples of artists seeing their art used for AI without their consent and they can put it into words much better than I can. And if you truly want art of your characters or anything else, commission an artist! There are so many talented artists who could use the support right now, with so many different art styles and price points. And if you can’t afford to do so, there are other sites that can help bring mainly chart to life. The Gacha life games, picrews and other such apps and websites are free and available for anyone to use. There are so many ways to obtain art without using an app or engine that steals and does immense damage to the environment.

We didn't know you were the spokesperson for artists.

Art theft existed long before AI, with fake paintings, sculptures, etc...
AI has not only allowed people without talent to have it, but has allowed those with artistic talent to simplify their work, or even improve it.

AI doesn't work by itself, someone works on it to tell it what to do, how to do it, when to do it, what to do it with, stop your SKYNET fantasy that replaces us.

A word of advice: learn to use AI, otherwise your artist friends who do it will take your place, and you'll only have your eyes left to cry with.
Either you learn to live with the new technologies that will be the center of your profession, or with every job search, your application will come after all the artists who master AI.
If today you think you already have a job and you can never be replaced, when your company has to start working with the new tools at their disposal (AI), either you will learn, or they will replace you.

People are replaced by AI though, it seems that people who are overly enthusiastic about AI happen to be non-artists. That isn't to say that it isn't a fascinating thing and I don't mind it for personal use.

But it is used for illustrations in children's books (not just illustrations, but also stories written by AI), sold as merch by content creators or companies thinking they can skimp on hiring good artists and instead opt for an AI that can crank out a vast array of (inferior) images within a fraction of the time it takes a properly trained illustrator - it means jobs are at stake. And instead of AI doing the menial tasks nobody likes to do, they start taking up jobs that represent our passions instead.

I suppose the artist could learn to work the tools and make adjustments when necessary - but to be fair - this isn't what artists are passionate about in the first place. They like to work the materials and they like to put in the hours to create something. The mastery aspect is as much part of art as the end result that everyone gets to enjoy. A brush stroke from an AI isn't as exciting as one from a masterful hand.

That said, would it be an issue if - let's say - people were to download images someone else made from the internet and use these in their games as well? I don't think the AI in this game is a problem at all - it doesn't end up for sale after all.

[Ericsbane]

Wow you must be full of virtue huh?