Feedback on SmartZoi: Lacking Some Autonomy

[PinkGeeRough]

I love the SmartZoi concept, especially with regards to the Inner Thoughts.

However it is lacking in autonomy. E.g. if I say "You love to cook" in any variation, the Zoi will never cook. When they get hungry, they will eat Bibimpap and only Bibimpap. Even if I say "You love to cook and like to eat Mango".

Some prompts seem to work well (e.g. "you are sociable" leads to the zoi starting more natural conversations), so I think there just needs to be more work into what actions can be done autonomously without the player input, like cooking.

Overall it feels more autonomous than The Sims and I like that, just needs a bit more flexibility.

[First5trike]

The problem is the limitation of the GPU resources while running a game like this. Giving an AI model 1 gig of VRAM means they are working with a pretty small and crappy model.

What they need to do is offer the AI model as a service or API app.

They could even monetise the online service where everyone gets the basic crap 1B model for free. If you want a 22B+ model you can pay a monthly fee.

That or just download the API app and install it on another machine and use its GPU and use it for free that way.

[Hunter_]

In order to let SmartZoi perform better, they're going to need to absorb alot of cost that they'll probably not be able to in the long run, for a proper LLM that is able to handle continuous flow of information processing via API. Especially if it'll run on a local machine, it's going to require a more powerful GPU ( that some people are already pushing for performance alone ). Unless they make a requirement to meet in order to activate SmartZoi.

I really hope they don't try to turn that into a service "just to provide" autonomy. Unless it'll start increasing normal conversation instead of just clicking popups to "level up" traits/skills etc and actually allow a Zoi to listen to that model. I don't know much on game dev, but each Zoi's going to eat alot of request alone via API.

[Zuluknob]

Originally posted by Hunter_:

In order to let SmartZoi perform better, they're going to need to absorb alot of cost that they'll probably not be able to in the long run, for a proper LLM that is able to handle continuous flow of information processing via API. Especially if it'll run on a local machine, it's going to require a more powerful GPU ( that some people are already pushing for performance alone ). Unless they make a requirement to meet in order to activate SmartZoi.

I really hope they don't try to turn that into a service "just to provide" autonomy. Unless it'll start increasing normal conversation instead of just clicking popups to "level up" traits/skills etc and actually allow a Zoi to listen to that model. I don't know much on game dev, but each Zoi's going to eat alot of request alone via API.

there are already GPU requirements for smartzoi, i take it you didn't read it. if you want all zois in the city to use smart you need a 4080 or better and 32gb of system ram.

[PinkGeeRough]

My feedback isn't necessarily about making the current SmartZoi more optimal, but rather about expanding the available options.
From my experience, certain actions like Cooking are just blocked and will never be done autonomously. In a sense, this applies to also non-SmartZoi AI.

[Zuluknob]

Originally posted by PinkGeeRough:

My feedback isn't necessarily about making the current SmartZoi more optimal, but rather about expanding the available options.
From my experience, certain actions like Cooking are just blocked and will never be done autonomously. In a sense, this applies to also non-SmartZoi AI.

smartzoi isnt autonomy, that's a separate thing. "Smart Zoi technology allow Zois to have Inner Thoughts and customizable personalities in inZOI"

[PinkGeeRough]

Originally posted by Zuluknob:

Originally posted by PinkGeeRough:

My feedback isn't necessarily about making the current SmartZoi more optimal, but rather about expanding the available options.
From my experience, certain actions like Cooking are just blocked and will never be done autonomously. In a sense, this applies to also non-SmartZoi AI.

smartzoi isnt autonomy, that's a separate thing. "Smart Zoi technology allow Zois to have Inner Thoughts and customizable personalities in inZOI"

They're inter-related from my experience and that of a few others. Some prompts actually influence the autonomy and actions, like, if I say "you are a clean freak", my Zoi started doing more cleaning actions without changing any preferences.

But you're right, maybe my feedback wasn't on the SmartZoi itself, but it does make it feel weaker when my Zoi goes to play games and says "I should go whip up something" and never starts to cook

[Daedrius]

Very lacking. My Zoi doesn't autonomously interact with other zoi when I invite them over. Out in the world I try to have them interact and they always walk away.

Think I'm going to uninstall and check back in 6 months or so. Maybe they'll have that fixed because right now, unless you really love micro managing every thing your zoi does, it's just not fun. I like full autonomy.

[Zuluknob]

Originally posted by PinkGeeRough:

Originally posted by Zuluknob:

smartzoi isnt autonomy, that's a separate thing. "Smart Zoi technology allow Zois to have Inner Thoughts and customizable personalities in inZOI"

They're inter-related from my experience and that of a few others. Some prompts actually influence the autonomy and actions, like, if I say "you are a clean freak", my Zoi started doing more cleaning actions without changing any preferences.

But you're right, maybe my feedback wasn't on the SmartZoi itself, but it does make it feel weaker when my Zoi goes to play games and says "I should go whip up something" and never starts to cook

have you tied giving them positive and negative prompt eg:- "you love to cook, you hate fast food"

[Zuluknob]

or give far more detailed prompts with re-enforcement eg:-

"You're a best-selling author and literary genius. Your expertise spans crafting gripping plots, creating vivid characters, and writing evocative prose. Your answers are imaginative, clear, and designed to spark creativity in users' writing projects."

if you want them to be better at writing (haven't tested this prompt yet)

[Zuluknob]

Originally posted by Zuluknob:

or give far more detailed prompts with re-enforcement eg:-

"You're a best-selling author and literary genius. Your expertise spans crafting gripping plots, creating vivid characters, and writing evocative prose. Your answers are imaginative, clear, and designed to spark creativity in users' writing projects."

if you want them to be better at writing (haven't tested this prompt yet)

That prompt was actually too long ended up with "You're a best-selling author and literary genius. Your expertise spans crafting gripping plots." first book she wrote after was rated excellent.

[PinkGeeRough]

Originally posted by Zuluknob:

Originally posted by PinkGeeRough:

have you tied giving them positive and negative prompt eg:- "you love to cook, you hate fast food"

Yes I did, didn't work.

That said, yeah you're right, stuff like writing, working out/fitness seems to work. So it may be a matter of time for us to understand what can be impacted and what cannot

[monika.ciurcina]

Warum habe ich keine Smartzois einstellungen? Ich kann nicht mal Smartzois activieren . Von meinem PC aus, sollte es gehn

[Zuluknob]

Originally posted by PinkGeeRough:

Originally posted by Zuluknob:

Yes I did, didn't work.

That said, yeah you're right, stuff like writing, working out/fitness seems to work. So it may be a matter of time for us to understand what can be impacted and what cannot

the next book i wrote after the excellent one was bad so looks like that prompt didn't work either...

[Xeriath]

SmartZOI is an interesting concept and as I tested this feature it worked somehow. I put in the box that my Zoi has secretly a crush on Zoi A and my Zoi wanted to socialize more with this Sim. The same was as I put love video gaming hate Zoi X the AI pushed more autonomy behavior in it which suited my text which I wrote down.

In the end I disable it again because my graphic dropped from ultra to high and I prefer to play without autonomy. No interest in other Zoi’s and how they behave. Maybe they drop this smartZOI and rather work on generally improving the autonomy without the help from AI.

[First5trike]

Originally posted by Xeriath:

SmartZOI is an interesting concept and as I tested this feature it worked somehow. I put in the box that my Zoi has secretly a crush on Zoi A and my Zoi wanted to socialize more with this Sim. The same was as I put love video gaming hate Zoi X the AI pushed more autonomy behavior in it which suited my text which I wrote down.

In the end I disable it again because my graphic dropped from ultra to high and I prefer to play without autonomy. No interest in other Zoi’s and how they behave. Maybe they drop this smartZOI and rather work on generally improving the autonomy without the help from AI.

This is going to be a problem for awhile. Even the latest modern GPU's don't really have the VRAM or spare compute to run AAA titles with a decent AI model in the background. It might be 5 years before we start seeing cards capable of managing that comfortably.

I'm writing a Python front end for LLM models to generate and DM full text games with images and 2D maps and the biggest issue I'm running into if I ever get around to finishing it and release to open source is most people won't have the hardware requirements to run the 32B models I'm pairing with it to get it to run well.

A work around solution for now would be offering the AI model as an online service or and offline API app that can be run on another machine where its got the full GPU resources available. The smaller models are improving but anything under 8B is pretty bad still.