Sadly, a RWN podcaster told their listeners to come attack this game

[qualiall]

Because they are sheep who will do what ever a right wing podcaster will do. I'm not naming the RWNJ podcaster, but it's why we keep seeing posts crying about a completely optional feature of the game. Pathetic that well known pdcasters can bash a game they never would have played anyway. Cancel culture is strong in that community

[Syn[a]]

Source Questionable.
and don't know what exactly he said

but then he is suable or is the not, from Krafton.
I am not an expert in the field.

that people who use their reach. with Media and Co.
to harm people or companies. can be sued by these companies or individuals.
for damages due to defamation.

You can express your opinion and criticism, but you cannot call your Followers for attacks and crimes. but even the current President of the USA did that himself. in his previous term of office. so maybe some people think it would be ok

[HexxerCS]

I am pretty center right and have zero problem with diversity when its organic. Games like Dustborn/Concord and dragon age are "woke" because they shoehorn it in and actually vilify and chastise players that don't like it. Literally one of the only articles I've seen about this game is from a left leaning game site that states "The lack of gay characters is a serious problem!". I play the sims and there is nothing at all wrong or bothersome about the diversity in it. There are a couple of things I rolled my eyes at but nothing terrible. BG3 also did it right. Lots of diverse and gay characters but it isn't central to who they are and it isn't harped on constantly. That is the major difference between diversity and "woke". I'm also very non religious but even I get sick of the constant attacks on Christianity but literally no other religion can be touched. its all just so tiresome.

Other examples of where diversity goes well is the new Monster Hunter. They have a few characters voiced by trans or non-binary people and no one really cares because the character is not constantly talking about their sexuality. I'm in no way trying to be antagonistic here but there absolutely is a huge difference between diversity and woke.

The other HUGE problem I and many others have is changing established lore to pander. Case in point is Warhammer adding female Custodes. If that was in the lore from the beginning no one would care but it simply isn't. Plus there are already TWO exclusively female factions and that's still not enough, they have to change the lore to add woman and possibly trans people to an EXCLUSIVELY male faction (the only male faction by the way).

[BMCMVOX]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από HexxerCS:

I am pretty center right and have zero problem with diversity when its organic. Games like Dustborn/Concord and dragon age are "woke" because they shoehorn it in and actually vilify and chastise players that don't like it. Literally one of the only articles I've seen about this game is from a left leaning game site that states "The lack of gay characters is a serious problem!". I play the sims and there is nothing at all wrong or bothersome about the diversity in it. There are a couple of things I rolled my eyes at but nothing terrible. BG3 also did it right. Lots of diverse and gay characters but it isn't central to who they are and it isn't harped on constantly. That is the major difference between diversity and "woke". I'm also very non religious but even I get sick of the constant attacks on Christianity but literally no other religion can be touched. its all just so tiresome.

Other examples of where diversity goes well is the new Monster Hunter. They have a few characters voiced by trans or non-binary people and no one really cares because the character is not constantly talking about their sexuality. I'm in no way trying to be antagonistic here but there absolutely is a huge difference between diversity and woke.

The other HUGE problem I and many others have is changing established lore to pander. Case in point is Warhammer adding female Custodes. If that was in the lore from the beginning no one would care but it simply isn't. Plus there are already TWO exclusively female factions and that's still not enough, they have to change the lore to add woman and possibly trans people to an EXCLUSIVELY male faction (the only male faction by the way).

So basically, you can just arbitrability decide when it is "shoehorned in" and then it gives you the moral prerogative to complain. I like how your example of "game did diversity, and then people complained and then the devs defended it" The devs defending it turned it from "organic" to "woke"? Is that what I am getting here? Dude, just say you don't like gay people.

[CasaRomeo]

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Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Neonivek:

You seem to have conflated diversity and "woke". There is a rather sizeable difference between the two.

That's rich, what's the difference.

EZ, I would define Woke as of right now as an impementation of features that only represent a small fraction of gamers? or rather activists. (Activist part because alot of them dont even by the game but advocate for change in it). Most of the time it does not fit the narrative inworld lore or even selflaid rules of the world. While at the same time its interuptive of gameplay and not or barely avoidable. My examples for this would be Concord, Dragan Age Veilguard.

Diversity is the representation of different groups be it political, sexual or just because of their sucumstances for example Wheelchair bound, impaired hearing stuff like that. If implemented right it could enhance a storys belivebility and yes I used the word right for a reason. For example a LifeSim you can implement almost everything into it and it wouldn´t matter. Put the same stuff into a game that claims to be historicly accurate and its implemented wrong.

So If a created world is based on realitiy and you make fiktion out of it while claiming autenticety its wrong. If you do not claim that its ok. Then you have normally franchises that are long running, if something gets implemented that is just weird (weird in the context of Story, envirorment and game history) I would call that normally woke. Therefore not implemented right or even in the right place. If my Comander in an Egoshooter sits in a Wheelchair without a reason and at the same time puts themself and a strikecrew in danger, for me thats woke and stupid at the same time. Its in your face too, but if it is the protagonists mom and hes in the army to make money to cover her bills I wouldn´t mind.

I think most people think the same? The watering down of these terms does not help in the a bit. Mainly because I work as a nursery Teacher thats includes impaired people all the time and the so called woke movement destroyed alot of progress we made. So im not fond of them.

[Naemane]

It's rather disappointing that a cozy game like this has to get caught up in the right-wing culture wars. I have to wonder how many of those posters even play games like this, as the Sims franchise and their fans tend to be more inclusive of marginalized communities.

[CasaRomeo]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από BMCMVOX:

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από CasaRomeo:

No idea who you are talking about, probably some noname to discredit people with a different opinion then yours.

As Neonivek said I dont see anyone who is against this game, get out of your bubble. I probably count towards your definition of right wing as I watch Asmondgold. Even he gave it a fair score at least for his type of game taste, they are not aline with mine by the way.

That goes for alot of you stop discounting opinions just because you dont like them. I dont mean the guy who screams Wheelchair is nonsense, because he just want to spark outrage or is stupid.

I talk about people who get sick of overrepresentation forced implementation and stuff like that. As of right now I dont see that in the game, so if people scream it they are probably dumb or want to fu with you.

But if your first concern is a missing pride flag in an early access game then you are a problem too. Not because of the flag, or what it stands for more because the first thing would probably to ask for bug fixes and optimization or QoL updates.

At least I think thats more important for my gaming experience, does not mean nobody can ask about it. It only gets stupid if they defend their agendas like hyenas, for both sides.

Dude, nobody is discounting your opinion, it is being challenged. That is how it works. This is flying super close to the "we are being silenced" while you are literally trying to silence stuff. Also, you need to work on your rhetoric. I know you are trying to do the thing where you make up a munch of fallacious reasons why you don't want gay stuff, while not literally saying you just hate gays, but it is coming off so nonsensical, that is the only read I am getting.

But you watch Asmongold, so it makes sense. He isn't that good at the grift yet.

No im in it to be honest, its just that. And to have gay people in a Lifesim is totally ok it should even be in there. would be weird if not. (Why do you even put that in your statement?) Your point of silencing does not cut it either. Discounting as mentioned above is the same, because you just define all of them the same. Means if done like that proves my point. Disscussion is perfectly fine, even with people who disagree with you. Most of the time people aren´t that far away from eachothers opinion anyways.

[sureluckhopes]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Neonivek:

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από BMCMVOX:

Yep, they brigade all the time. There is a reason companies (outside of the ones directly being threatened by the Trump administration) do DEI and make commercials as such, it is good for business. Culture war trolls just can't admit it to themselves that they are the outliers. Most people either support diversity, or would look unfavorably to those who try to censor it. Most people will also suck it up at the end of the day and just not create a gay character. Complaining is really all they have.

The average person doesn't care about diversity... But a game, or other product, that gives the slightest hint at being woke... will turn them off in droves... Because companies have poisoned "woke" and associated it with poor quality (because it often is)

Mind you I personally don't find this game to be woke. SURE it has a "Create-a-gender" but it is purely optional and is something YOU introduce not the game.

The fact is it's not just that it's poor quality, but it's also forced woke ideology being put in games that specifically tries to censor things that a heterosexual men would enjoy or either completely excludes content and feature a heterosexual men would enjoy just to satisfy LGBTQ, progressives, and DEI individuals or the minority of a community that doesn't make up the majority of gamers.

I'm sure if these woke journalist, consultants, activist, and feminist would stop making hit pieces and/or attacking gamers and developers for being based causing the exclusion and censorship of attractive female characters that heterosexual men would enjoy because they have sex appeal and fan service with what they're wearing and how they look sexy many gamers that are conservative or liberal wouldn't have a issue with diversity and inclusion it's the double standards being pushed in the entertainment industry by woke progressive activists and feminists that are that are predominantly left-wing.

They are complete hypocrites that just doesn't request content and features, but demands it at the cost of everyone else enjoyment even if that means other content that others would enjoy would be excluded or censored that doesn't share the sexual orientation and identity as them the fact is they are not just hypocritical but they're also selfish and narcissistic that throws tantrums when they don't get their way.

[CasaRomeo]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Naemane:

It's rather disappointing that a cozy game like this has to get caught up in the right-wing culture wars. I have to wonder how many of those posters even play games like this, as the Sims franchise and their fans tend to be more inclusive of marginalized communities.

Stop calling it right wing, I love cozy games. I still agree with the point that these topics have no reason to be here. Its probably one of the genres you can implement anything into and it would be normal. In here most of the woke critism is just stupid, I agree wholeheartly with that point.

[Metal Izanagi]

It's funny seeing people try to justify their bigotry. Maybe just back off and let us be who we are. Bigotry won't be allowed to flourish here or anywhere else on Steam, ever again. Best remember that.

[Caduryn]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από CasaRomeo:

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Naemane:

It's rather disappointing that a cozy game like this has to get caught up in the right-wing culture wars. I have to wonder how many of those posters even play games like this, as the Sims franchise and their fans tend to be more inclusive of marginalized communities.

Stop calling it right wing, I love cozy games. I still agree with the point that these topics have no reason to be here. Its probably one of the genres you can implement anything into and it would be normal. In here most of the woke critism is just stupid, I agree wholeheartly with that point.

95% it is right wing

[HexxerCS]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από BMCMVOX:

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από HexxerCS:

I am pretty center right and have zero problem with diversity when its organic. Games like Dustborn/Concord and dragon age are "woke" because they shoehorn it in and actually vilify and chastise players that don't like it. Literally one of the only articles I've seen about this game is from a left leaning game site that states "The lack of gay characters is a serious problem!". I play the sims and there is nothing at all wrong or bothersome about the diversity in it. There are a couple of things I rolled my eyes at but nothing terrible. BG3 also did it right. Lots of diverse and gay characters but it isn't central to who they are and it isn't harped on constantly. That is the major difference between diversity and "woke". I'm also very non religious but even I get sick of the constant attacks on Christianity but literally no other religion can be touched. its all just so tiresome.

Other examples of where diversity goes well is the new Monster Hunter. They have a few characters voiced by trans or non-binary people and no one really cares because the character is not constantly talking about their sexuality. I'm in no way trying to be antagonistic here but there absolutely is a huge difference between diversity and woke.

The other HUGE problem I and many others have is changing established lore to pander. Case in point is Warhammer adding female Custodes. If that was in the lore from the beginning no one would care but it simply isn't. Plus there are already TWO exclusively female factions and that's still not enough, they have to change the lore to add woman and possibly trans people to an EXCLUSIVELY male faction (the only male faction by the way).

So basically, you can just arbitrability decide when it is "shoehorned in" and then it gives you the moral prerogative to complain. I like how your example of "game did diversity, and then people complained and then the devs defended it" The devs defending it turned it from "organic" to "woke"? Is that what I am getting here? Dude, just say you don't like gay people.

How in the world did you get that from what I said? I believe gay is a natural thing. Im not arbitrarily deciding its shoehorned in, its actually quite obvious. Are you in good faith really saying the stupid punishment thing in Dragon age for misgendering is organic? In dustborn its almost comical how badly executed everything in that game is, and how every bad person is white. What gives me the right to complain is free speech and me being the consumer of the product. Will I make a video bashing it or start a boycott? No of course not! I can still express my opinion on it. I also have no issues with devs defending their work but when they attack their fan base and crap all over them for a screeching minority in it then its just silly. I would never go to a LGBT games forum and start demanding them to include things they didn't have originally. The same can not be said for left leaning people. They simply can not and will not allow established and loved IP's to exist if they feel right wing people like it too much.

[BMCMVOX]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από CasaRomeo:

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από BMCMVOX:

That's rich, what's the difference.

EZ, I would define Woke as of right now as an impementation of features that only represent a small fraction of gamers? or rather activists. (Activist part because alot of them dont even by the game but advocate for change in it). Most of the time it does not fit the narrative inworld lore or even selflaid rules of the world. While at the same time its interuptive of gameplay and not or barely avoidable. My examples for this would be Concord, Dragan Age Veilguard.

Diversity is the representation of different groups be it political, sexual or just because of their sucumstances for example Wheelchair bound, impaired hearing stuff like that. If implemented right it could enhance a storys belivebility and yes I used the word right for a reason. For example a LifeSim you can implement almost everything into it and it wouldn´t matter. Put the same stuff into a game that claims to be historicly accurate and its implemented wrong.

So If a created world is based on realitiy and you make fiktion out of it while claiming autenticety its wrong. If you do not claim that its ok. Then you have normally franchises that are long running, if something gets implemented that is just weird (weird in the context of Story, envirorment and game history) I would call that normally woke. Therefore not implemented right or even in the right place. If my Comander in an Egoshooter sits in a Wheelchair without a reason and at the same time puts themself and a strikecrew in danger, for me thats woke and stupid at the same time. Its in your face too, but if it is the protagonists mom and hes in the army to make money to cover her bills I wouldn´t mind.

I think most people think the same? The watering down of these terms does not help in the a bit. Mainly because I work as a nursery Teacher thats includes impaired people all the time and the so called woke movement destroyed alot of progress we made. So im not fond of them.

Dude, Your "diversity example" just included handicapped people. Including ethnic minorities and gay people is literally diversity, yet you completely avoided that. Them "existing" in a world adds authenticity to it. This is the problem, your arguments make no sense and we know why, you just can't come out and say you don't want to see black people and gay people in the content you consume. I mean, re-read your woke definition, does it make sense? "implement features that only represent a fraction of gamers"? That is literally diversity. Not everything in a game panders to 51+% of the people playing it. If you live in a society where 45% of the population lives in condos...would you find condos in your game unacceptable? Just be honest with yourself, dude. Also, when the red line appears under the words you type, it means they are spelled wrong. My god.

[CasaRomeo]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από sureluckhopes:

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Neonivek:

The average person doesn't care about diversity... But a game, or other product, that gives the slightest hint at being woke... will turn them off in droves... Because companies have poisoned "woke" and associated it with poor quality (because it often is)

Mind you I personally don't find this game to be woke. SURE it has a "Create-a-gender" but it is purely optional and is something YOU introduce not the game.

The fact is it's not just that it's poor quality, but it's also forced woke ideology in games that specifically tries to censor things that a heterosexual men would enjoy or either completely excludes content and feature a heterosexual men would enjoy just to satisfy LGBTQ, progressives, and DEI individuals or the minority of a community that doesn't make up the majority of gamers.

I'm sure if these woke journalist, consultants, activist, and feminist would stop making hit pieces and/or attacking gamers and developers for being based causing the exclusion and censorship of attractive female characters that heterosexual men would enjoy because they have sex appeal and fan service with what they're wearing and how they look sexy many gamers that are conservative or liberal wouldn't have a issue with diversity and inclusion it's the double standards being pushed in the entertainment industry by woke progressive activists and feminists that are that are predominantly left-wing.

I wouldn´t count myself into any of the corners to be honest. Both sides seem to me like extremists most of the time. Especially if they behave like you described. But I can defenetly see the point:

"specifically tries to censor things that a heterosexual men would enjoy or either completely excludes content and feature a heterosexual men would enjoy"

This attempt is probably most damaging for them and they dont even realise why. Mostly comments I read about this is along the lines, you are a gooner or fap elsewhere and stuff like that. That they activly working against a person who is just "hetero" and therefore excluding for example in franchises where this never was the case, they ignore. Because that would hurt their stance of inclusivity.

But lets be honest in a Liefesim game to call gay or even what ever alpahbet describtion woke is stupid. Let everyone have what they want at least in games where it fits the narrativ. I at least understand if they say these people are stupid at this point, the nay sayers i mean.

[RainaMermaid]

Imagine being this level of a sheep you gotta go spend your Sunday night crying on the steam forums because a podcaster told you too. But they'll be the first people to cry about thinking for yourself LOL as if they're even capable. They're so deeply threatened that the game feature people not white and genders they're afraid of. They'll play a game as an alien but having real life options for real people, no that's a step too far. let's cry about being woke unironically the same way we cry about snowflakes while missing the point of fight club lol.

[Meslyin]

Explains a lot. I've seen them all over Steam, on different forums, even on games that have been out for a while. It's just silly. They call others "sheep" or whatever, but then they listen to some randoms telling them to come and create chaos on forums... and they actually do it, lol.