(DEVS, Players) Child abuse; regional problems (compliance with legislation)

[CenTurian Archangel]

Dear inZoi players, community administrators, game authors, testers.

I have to raise a difficult but very important topic in my opinion - the reputation of the game and its content according to the approved age rating.

Days after the game was released, there were complaints from players with traditional values ​​that the game contains LGBT+ elements, and that this is unacceptable for them. On the other hand, since yesterday, players with LGBT+ values ​​have been complaining about the impossibility of building LGBT relationships.

Further, since the same day, videos began to appear of a small number of inZoi players doing things like kidnapping children, running over children with a car, and calling it "roleplaying a maniac".

In light of such dishonest player behavior, and the upcoming release of the WhickedZoi mod, I ask the authors of inZoi to do everything to preserve the reputation of your brainchild, to rid it of the aura of scandals, a trail that began at the very beginning of "early access".

To do this, bring your game to a state that complies with international and national child protection laws (remove interactions, behavior that contradict it), prohibit the possibility of any modifications of minors Zoi at the game code level, track abuses of unscrupulous players with children through the trigger, consult with governments of countries about the correctness/incorrectness of their players' access to the LGBT functions of creating Zoi and interaction.

In case of inconsistency of certain theses with national policy, the game can be banned by the country, and you know perfectly well what this means for both players and the game studio.

You have many players from the countries of the "eastern" camp, and they are counting on you.

But I ask you to do everything so as not to overdo it, otherwise you risk losing the entire audience or most of them.

Keep in mind that in China, India, Russia, Arab countries, Muslim countries of Africa, LGBT policy is not welcomed (especially regarding children), despite the UN policy. You are making a game not for a separate region but for the whole world, please take this into account so that you can improve the game that everyone will like.

Otherwise, you will have to change the target audience to 18+ with all the ensuing consequences.

In Russia, where I come from, despite the traditionalist position of the state, the youth has an accepting position towards LGBT, but in recent years the fight on the part of the state has intensified, especially this concerns the prohibition of children's access to what is harmful to their development, that is, LGBT. Roskomnadzor does not obey ICAN, the game can be blocked in this region if it is not brought to a state satisfactory to the federal authorities.

Accordingly, according to the rating - in my region, and in others listed above, consultations with the authorities are necessary, since the target audience is 12+

Such measures are dictated by the activity of dishonest players.

Thank you for your attention.
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Дорогие игроки inZoi, администраторы сообщества, авторы игры, тестеры.

Я вынужден поднять непростую но очень важную по моему мнению тему - репутацию игры и её наполнение согласно утверждённому возрастному рейтингу.

Спустя дни после выходы игры были жалобы со стороны игроков с традиционными ценностями о том что в игре присутствуют элементы LGBT+, и что это для них неприемлимо. С другой стороны, со вчерашнего дня игроки с ЛГБТ+ ценностями жаловались о невозможности построения ЛГБТ отношений.

Далее, с того же дня стали выходить видео как немногочисленные игроки inZoi занимались такими вещами как похищение детей, наезд на детей на машине, и называли это "отыгрышь маньяка".

В свете такого поведения недобросовестных игроков, и грядущего выхода мода WhickedZoi я прошу авторов inZoi сделать всё для сохранения репутации вашего детища, избавить его от ореола скандалов, шлейф который начался ещё в самом начале "раннего доступа".

Для этого приведите свою игру в состояние которое соблюдает международные и национальные законодательства об охране детей (уберите взаимодействия, поведение которые противоречат ему), запретите на уровне игрового кода возможность любых модификаций несовершеннолетних Zoi, отслеживайте злоупотребления недобросовестных игроков с детьми через триггер, проведите консультации с правительствами стран о корректности/некорректности доступа их игроков к ЛГБТ функциям создания Zoi и взаимодействия.

В случае несоответствия определённых тезисов национальной политике игра может быть запрещена в стране, и вы прекрасно знаете что это значит как для игроков так и для игровой студии.

У вас есть много игроков из стран "восточного" лагеря, и они рассчитывают на вас.

Но прошу сделать всё так чтобы не перегнуть палку, иначе вы рискуете потерять всю аудиторию либо большую часть из них.

Учтите что в Китае, Индии, России, арабских странах, мусульманских странах Африки, ЛГБТ политика не приветствуется (особенно касательно детей), несмотря на политику ООН. Вы делаете игру не для отдельного региона а для всего мира, пожалуйста учитывайте это чтобы вы могли улучшить игру которая понравится всем.


В противном случае придётся менять целевую аудиторию на 18+ со всеми вытекающими последствиями.

В России откуда я родом, несмотря на традиционнолистскую позицию государства - у молодёжи принимательское положение к ЛГБТ, но в последние годы активизировалась борьба со стороны государства, особенно это касается запрета доступа детей к тому что вредит их развитию, то есть ЛГБТ. Роскомнадзор не подчиняется ICAN, игра может быть заблокирована в этом регионе если она не будет приведена в состояние удовлетворяющие федеральные власти.

Соответственно согласно рейтингу - в моём регионе, и других вышеперечисленных необходимы консультации с властями, поскольку целевая аудитория 12+

Такие меры продиктованы активностью недобросовестных игроков.

Спасибо за внимание.

[exoticraven]

This is laughable. Censorship is what the problem is. You're talking about censorship! Ordinary players will NOT agree with censorship especially in a game where you are free to create a world of your own. Freedom in the game should mean freedom in how the Zoi lives its life.

I understand removing interactions that may portray the abuse of children. However - do not pair the LGBT topic with the abuse of children. They are not related topics at all.

What is the problem with having non-traditional or same-sex relationships on the game? I for one would like to see less traditional values in the game. At the moment it is too traditional, i.e. babies / intimacy after marriage and all that BS.

[Puchbol]

"I Can't Distinguish Fantasy From Reality" Challenge: any%, Difficulty: Impossible.

[CenTurian Archangel]

Originally posted by Puchbol:

"I Can't Distinguish Fantasy From Reality" Challenge: any%, Difficulty: Impossible.

Fantasy and reality are a wet dream and the law violation of which can turn out badly for you. Take off your rose-colored glasses. We do not live in the world of My Little Pony. We're in 1984.

[log233when]

Originally posted by exoticraven:

This is laughable. Censorship is what the problem is. You're talking about censorship! Ordinary players will NOT agree with censorship especially in a game where you are free to create a world of your own. Freedom in the game should mean freedom in how the Zoi lives its life.

This. Excessive censorship leads to intolerant future generation (easily offended or "triggered") and that leads to more censorship. It's a vicious cycle.

[CenTurian Archangel]

Originally posted by log233when:

Originally posted by exoticraven:

This is laughable. Censorship is what the problem is. You're talking about censorship! Ordinary players will NOT agree with censorship especially in a game where you are free to create a world of your own. Freedom in the game should mean freedom in how the Zoi lives its life.

This. Excessive censorship leads to intolerant future generation (easily offended or "triggered") and that leads to more censorship. It's a vicious cycle.

The post talks about illegal actions in relation to children. Nothing is said about harassment of adults. In the context of your answer, you mean nothing more than a feeling of indignation that developers can prohibit harassment of children, especially after the release of WickedZoi.

[The92Ghost]

Originally posted by CenTurian Archangel:

Dear inZoi players, community administrators, game authors, testers.

I have to raise a difficult but very important topic in my opinion - the reputation of the game and its content according to the approved age rating.

Days after the game was released, there were complaints from players with traditional values ​​that the game contains LGBT+ elements, and that this is unacceptable for them. On the other hand, since yesterday, players with LGBT+ values ​​have been complaining about the impossibility of building LGBT relationships.

Further, since the same day, videos began to appear of a small number of inZoi players doing things like kidnapping children, running over children with a car, and calling it "roleplaying a maniac".

In light of such dishonest player behavior, and the upcoming release of the WhickedZoi mod, I ask the authors of inZoi to do everything to preserve the reputation of your brainchild, to rid it of the aura of scandals, a trail that began at the very beginning of "early access".

To do this, bring your game to a state that complies with international and national child protection laws (remove interactions, behavior that contradict it), prohibit the possibility of any modifications of minors Zoi at the game code level, track abuses of unscrupulous players with children through the trigger, consult with governments of countries about the correctness/incorrectness of their players' access to the LGBT functions of creating Zoi and interaction.

In case of inconsistency of certain theses with national policy, the game can be banned by the country, and you know perfectly well what this means for both players and the game studio.

You have many players from the countries of the "eastern" camp, and they are counting on you.

But I ask you to do everything so as not to overdo it, otherwise you risk losing the entire audience or most of them.

Keep in mind that in China, India, Russia, Arab countries, Muslim countries of Africa, LGBT policy is not welcomed (especially regarding children), despite the UN policy. You are making a game not for a separate region but for the whole world, please take this into account so that you can improve the game that everyone will like.

Otherwise, you will have to change the target audience to 18+ with all the ensuing consequences.

In Russia, where I come from, despite the traditionalist position of the state, the youth has an accepting position towards LGBT, but in recent years the fight on the part of the state has intensified, especially this concerns the prohibition of children's access to what is harmful to their development, that is, LGBT. Roskomnadzor does not obey ICAN, the game can be blocked in this region if it is not brought to a state satisfactory to the federal authorities.

Accordingly, according to the rating - in my region, and in others listed above, consultations with the authorities are necessary, since the target audience is 12+

Such measures are dictated by the activity of dishonest players.

Thank you for your attention.

I have to point out something here. inZOI team can definitely do something like restrictions on what can be done with kids or otherwise, but the rest. Driving over kids, sexual attempts on them and so on, via stories or otherwise, well that is a problem on the streaming platform and if such streamers really release such type of content then they should be banned by the stream services aka YouTube, Twitch, Steam Labs, etc. That is not Krafton problem, if streaming services do not punish or force their own rules and regulations.

On the other hand, inZOI cannot really do anything about mods that are bound to happen regarding this stuff, the only thing they can do is remove the assets for children and their animations to be edited but that can be easily reversed engineered by the modders if they really want to do that.

The entire post has no base, simply because this is outside of Krafton's control. Simply put they can make some kind of restrictions but they cannot really control streamers, or modders who want to do harm. The only option would be to not release modding for inZOI and that is simply unheard of for life simulation games.

[Omisimmt]

Please deves, I beg you, dont!
Child abuse is of corse never ok.
But please let player play as lgbtq couples or unmarried sis couples it littarly saves lives. There is a reason why so many lgbtq are playing simulation games. Some, in countries that don't vallue freedom, have to hide their true identity every day even from the closest people. A game like this is the only escape. I understand that its probably a problem for the age restrictions in unfree countries. But I did not buy a game for toddler, it is sold as a REALISTIC Live simulator. LGBTQs are a realistic part of live since the start of humanity, And in real even unmarried people get pregnant. When conservatives don't like it they have not to do it. I am tired of this people forcing their live style on everybody.

[CenTurian Archangel]

Originally posted by The92Ghost:

Originally posted by CenTurian Archangel:

Dear inZoi players, community administrators, game authors, testers.

I have to raise a difficult but very important topic in my opinion - the reputation of the game and its content according to the approved age rating.

Days after the game was released, there were complaints from players with traditional values ​​that the game contains LGBT+ elements, and that this is unacceptable for them. On the other hand, since yesterday, players with LGBT+ values ​​have been complaining about the impossibility of building LGBT relationships.

Further, since the same day, videos began to appear of a small number of inZoi players doing things like kidnapping children, running over children with a car, and calling it "roleplaying a maniac".

In light of such dishonest player behavior, and the upcoming release of the WhickedZoi mod, I ask the authors of inZoi to do everything to preserve the reputation of your brainchild, to rid it of the aura of scandals, a trail that began at the very beginning of "early access".

To do this, bring your game to a state that complies with international and national child protection laws (remove interactions, behavior that contradict it), prohibit the possibility of any modifications of minors Zoi at the game code level, track abuses of unscrupulous players with children through the trigger, consult with governments of countries about the correctness/incorrectness of their players' access to the LGBT functions of creating Zoi and interaction.

In case of inconsistency of certain theses with national policy, the game can be banned by the country, and you know perfectly well what this means for both players and the game studio.

You have many players from the countries of the "eastern" camp, and they are counting on you.

But I ask you to do everything so as not to overdo it, otherwise you risk losing the entire audience or most of them.

Keep in mind that in China, India, Russia, Arab countries, Muslim countries of Africa, LGBT policy is not welcomed (especially regarding children), despite the UN policy. You are making a game not for a separate region but for the whole world, please take this into account so that you can improve the game that everyone will like.

Otherwise, you will have to change the target audience to 18+ with all the ensuing consequences.

In Russia, where I come from, despite the traditionalist position of the state, the youth has an accepting position towards LGBT, but in recent years the fight on the part of the state has intensified, especially this concerns the prohibition of children's access to what is harmful to their development, that is, LGBT. Roskomnadzor does not obey ICAN, the game can be blocked in this region if it is not brought to a state satisfactory to the federal authorities.

Accordingly, according to the rating - in my region, and in others listed above, consultations with the authorities are necessary, since the target audience is 12+

Such measures are dictated by the activity of dishonest players.

Thank you for your attention.

I have to point out something here. inZOI team can definitely do something like restrictions on what can be done with kids or otherwise, but the rest. Driving over kids, sexual attempts on them and so on, via stories or otherwise, well that is a problem on the streaming platform and if such streamers really release such type of content then they should be banned by the stream services aka YouTube, Twitch, Steam Labs, etc. That is not Krafton problem, if streaming services do not punish or force their own rules and regulations.

On the other hand, inZOI cannot really do anything about mods that are bound to happen regarding this stuff, the only thing they can do is remove the assets for children and their animations to be edited but that can be easily reversed engineered by the modders if they really want to do that.

The entire post has no base, simply because this is outside of Krafton's control. Simply put they can make some kind of restrictions but they cannot really control streamers, or modders who want to do harm. The only option would be to not release modding for inZOI and that is simply unheard of for life simulation games.

Look, we are talking about what can be done now regarding the use of current game materials. Until restrictions are introduced and the code is reworked, the use of child abuse tracking will indeed be effective in order not to ruin the game's reputation in the eyes of the media and politics. Setting restrictions on modding will result in everything working except for what is related to children, and this cannot be changed without creating a pirated build of the game.

You cannot remove children from the game, otherwise it is not a life simulator. But the fact that the game needs to be reworked so that both now and with mods the game does not become a simulator of maniacs is necessary.

In any case, all this is food for thought for developers, what is best. Everyone has their own opinion, but only they decide what is best for the project.

[TAI]

I'm not up for any censorship. It's a lose-lose ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ for Krafton if they listen to either side. In honesty, the game itself, inside the world there is no same sex stuff there. All the Zois are straight as a flag pole and only male or female. So for for the other side of this argument. They have to make the Zois themselves OR wait for a mod to balance that(it is possible through scripts). They shouldn't be complainin on the boards and just wait for modders to add it in(you have several choices to request for those mods). Same can be said about people not wanting to see that option at the create Zoi screen(ask a modder).
And for unaliving even kids, I've seen mods from Sims, Skyrim, FO4, ya name it. Even if the devs put a code to prevent that. There's always someone who'll make a mod to remove that. Nothing new. It's literally all up on how people play this.
The game has only been out for like 2 days. Chill y'all.

I HATE it when people want to control how we play our life sims game. Krafton is not responsible on how WE play it via mods and all. I HATE fun police people. Sims mods can be crazy violent and pretty graphic(I can list several I've seen), so this MUST be a first time for people who want CENSORSHIP, playing a life sim game. Y'all literally tripping on the line of AUTHORITARIAN level here. It's an EFFEN GAME. I paid for this game to have a "sky's the limit" kind of value. If you're going to play as a sinful degenerate, fine go. It's your game, you bought it. We're adults in this matter. Quit IT.

[NSteele99]

Dear developers... please don't listen to people like this, stick to what you intend to create.
Dear players... play the game you want and how you want.
Dear Overly Sensitive Censorship Happy Individuals... find a better use of your time than worrying about pixels, for example: Go touch grass.

[Ouro]

Originally posted by Omisimmt:

Please deves, I beg you, dont!
Child abuse is of corse never ok.
But please let player play as lgbtq couples or unmarried sis couples it littarly saves lives. There is a reason why so many lgbtq are playing simulation games. Some, in countries that don't vallue freedom, have to hide their true identity every day even from the closest people. A game like this is the only escape. I understand that its probably a problem for the age restrictions in unfree countries. But I did not buy a game for toddler, it is sold as a REALISTIC Live simulator. LGBTQs are a realistic part of live since the start of humanity, And in real even unmarried people get pregnant. When conservatives don't like it they have not to do it. I am tired of this people forcing their live style on everybody.

"I am tired of this people forcing their live style on everybody."
"I WANT LGBTQ+ IN YOUR GAME!"

Pick one.

[TAI]

Originally posted by Ouro:

Originally posted by Omisimmt:

Please deves, I beg you, dont!
Child abuse is of corse never ok.
But please let player play as lgbtq couples or unmarried sis couples it littarly saves lives. There is a reason why so many lgbtq are playing simulation games. Some, in countries that don't vallue freedom, have to hide their true identity every day even from the closest people. A game like this is the only escape. I understand that its probably a problem for the age restrictions in unfree countries. But I did not buy a game for toddler, it is sold as a REALISTIC Live simulator. LGBTQs are a realistic part of live since the start of humanity, And in real even unmarried people get pregnant. When conservatives don't like it they have not to do it. I am tired of this people forcing their live style on everybody.

"I am tired of this people forcing their live style on everybody."
"I WANT LGBTQ+ IN YOUR GAME!"

Pick one.

I know right? It's one or the other, NOT BOTH. I'm like, I don't care at this point. It's up to people how they play the game. Stop forcing either side down our throats. I'm frankly enjoying the game.

[Metroid]

Pixel life matters, or does it?

Violence in video games somehow affects peoples morality in the real world.
But murdering grown ups is somehow accepted even though it's illegal everywhere, the hypocrisy lol

[Zuluknob]

all they need to do is add consequences, run over a kid = prison...for years. (jail is an upcoming addition anyway)

[Solitary(3,14159265358979323846)]

You are mentally unstable if you think fictional "children" are equal to flesh and blood children

" To do this, bring your game to a state that complies with international and national child protection laws "

Applying laws to protect fictional "children" equivalent to that of children and jailing anyone who "harms" the fictitious entity is repugnant.

fiction is not greater nor equal to Reality