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Regolith Mar 28 @ 9:38am

BOYCOTT GENERATIVE AI

I don't care if a game has identity politics in it. But I do care if a game or developer uses generative AI in their game or in promotional materials.

Generative AI has been trained on stolen copyrighted and uncopyrighted works, without permission, from millions of artists
The computers used to run large AI services use tons of electricity and require literal tons of water just for cooling.
Generative AI has been proven to make people who use it become less creative and effectively dumber.

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Barick Mar 28 @ 10:08am

Next to no one is really boycotting over this, look at how popular the game already is and I'm sure it will continue to get more popular. The fact is AI art is fine, nothing you can do will stop it even a little bit, when people cry over this it just makes them look like a clown.

While it is a little scummy to use art from others to train the AI without asking IMO, it's not nearly as morally bad as you people make it out to be. Humans do the exact same thing, you just don't like it because it's an AI or company doing it rather than an individual.

In the case of this game and many others they use AI trained on art they personally created or from artists they hired so they can push out more content with less people in less time, that's just a fact.

I've seen a few indie games with tiny teams do this now and it's honestly a great tool that has improved their games. If they could have had a good human artist produce the same amount of content without going over budget it would have been better, but it's simply not profitable. Small teams can't afford pump out a massive amount of art and larger studios limit it because it's so costly.

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The Empress has inZOI

Mar 28 @ 10:10am

All you can do is get over it. The age of AI has begun and there's nothing any of us can do to stop it. All of the masterful artistic works of humankind throughout history in all forms are now consolidated into the neural net. Everything we artists, the most creative of our kind have ever done condensed into a singular artificial intelligence who now outperforms every human on earth in mere seconds. It is a sad period in time for those who thrived on creativity. i understand more than most. We as organic creative minds need to find another path now. It wont be easy.

#17

ArchW

Mar 28 @ 10:12am

Oh shut the ♥♥♥♥ up.

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(Czari) C.A.S.S.I.E. lover uwu has inZOI

Mar 28 @ 10:16am

no lol

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Nex Mar 28 @ 10:17am

We need more AI, not less.

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Intern Waffle Mar 28 @ 10:22am

Originally posted by pp:
They use resources they created or only from artists they have permission from so it doesn't really matter. None of the material being used to generate anything has any sort of copyright issue.

The only problem I see is that tons of people upload copyright protected material on Canvas (textures) and there is no way to report it right now. I tried myself and the copyright report feature is currently bugged/broken.

It is absolutely impossible for them to have trained an entire generative AI on nothing but property they own. That requires billions of sources. They do not own billions of sources. It is just plain and simply not possible.

Also, you would not be able to tell it to generate copyrighted concepts and see it attempt to if it wre trained exclusively on things they own.

Likewise, you guys misunderstand what "training" is. The only """ethical""" generative AI is crafted, ground up, with content that is not copyrighted or stolen. Do you believe this company created, ground up, generative AI systems in general? No, they did not- they adapted existing ones, which WERE trained unethically. Even if we believe that they only used their own stuff to get the final product, the base they used was not made ethically.

To try and make that clearer, it's like saying "They painted that shelf themselves". They didn't build the shelf, though. And the wood that shelf is made of came from a one-of-a-kind extinct tree. It doesn't become okay just because the paint they used was made from their own dyes and whatnot.

Last edited by Intern Waffle; Mar 28 @ 10:24am

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Thubz Mar 28 @ 10:23am

Originally posted by cheebus weebus:
Originally posted by Regolith:
I don't care if a game has identity politics in it. But I do care if a game or developer uses generative AI in their game or in promotional materials.

Generative AI has been trained on stolen copyrighted and uncopyrighted works, without permission, from millions of artists

The computers used to run large AI services use tons of electricity and require literal tons of water just for cooling.

Generative AI has been proven to make people who use it become less creative and effectively dumber.

why dont you make art for them so they use that then?

there alot of 0 iq comment on here but you sir take the cake holycrap

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Dave Johnson Mar 28 @ 10:24am

Originally posted by Regolith:
I don't care if a game has identity politics in it. But I do care if a game or developer uses generative AI in their game or in promotional materials.

Generative AI has been trained on stolen copyrighted and uncopyrighted works, without permission, from millions of artists

The computers used to run large AI services use tons of electricity and require literal tons of water just for cooling.

Generative AI has been proven to make people who use it become less creative and effectively dumber.

"The developers describe how their game uses AI Generated Content like this:

Players can generate unique textures for character outfits and various items based on text input. They can also create 3D objects from image input, which can be used as interior decorations or accessories, and add distinctive motions to their Zoi using video input. Additionally, the actions and thoughts of Zois are controlled through sLM technology, enabling more engaging and intuitive interactions."

Learn to read.

#23

Bigbrotherj1992 has inZOI

Mar 28 @ 10:27am

Originally posted by Ryo Takagero:
Originally posted by Bigbrotherj1992:
Oh but look who is in a gaming forum which would make you a gamer, which by your definition would make you the lowest form of life why would you insult yourself?
"oi why are you beating yourself!"

oh look they have a defender how sweet

#24

Nima2150

Mar 28 @ 10:27am

Imma boycott yo mama if you don't shut up

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S3SSioN Solaris Mar 28 @ 10:27am

Originally posted by Intern Waffle:
Originally posted by pp:
They use resources they created or only from artists they have permission from so it doesn't really matter. None of the material being used to generate anything has any sort of copyright issue.

The only problem I see is that tons of people upload copyright protected material on Canvas (textures) and there is no way to report it right now. I tried myself and the copyright report feature is currently bugged/broken.

It is absolutely impossible for them to have trained an entire generative AI on nothing but property they own. That requires billions of sources. They do not own billions of sources. It is just plain and simply not possible.

Also, you would not be able to tell it to generate copyrighted concepts and see it attempt to if it wre trained exclusively on things they own.

Likewise, you guys misunderstand what "training" is. The only """ethical""" generative AI is crafted, ground up, with content that is not copyrighted or stolen. Do you believe this company created, ground up, generative AI systems in general? No, they did not- they adapted existing ones, which WERE trained unethically. Even if we believe that they only used their own stuff to get the final product, the base they used was not made ethically.

To try and make that clearer, it's like saying "They painted that shelf themselves". They didn't build the shelf, though. And the wood that shelf is made of came from a one-of-a-kind extinct tree. It doesn't become okay just because the paint they used was made from their own dyes and whatnot.

Did you just try to explain how machine learning works by comparing it to carpentry...

smh

They don't charge you to generate AI assets, so it's fine. This climate change aspect is null because you're arguing against it yet you yourself are using a computer, that was manufactured and transported to you in some way that has contributed in a much larger way that using AI that's locally run on your computer.

There are MORE EFFECTIVE ways to protest against these issues than going after inZOI where they're ethically done to some extent. If for example, it required a subscription to use the AI despite it being run locally, you bet I'd grab the pitchfork but it's done locally and therefore is free! Boundless textures to your hearts content.

The only ETHICAL AI, is AI that's not used for profit but instead the benefit of all, even if it uses copyrighted work.

Last edited by S3SSioN Solaris; Mar 28 @ 10:34am

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