Nice bait-and-switch I'm now non-buy-nary

[Razorius]

As in the title. The Creative Studio was normal, and only now after releasing in early access you add the "nonbinary" pandering in the main game's early access(Have fun with very toxic activist "fans" this crap is gonna attract) caving in to pressure from ideologically-driven western journalists from trash sites like Polygon and ScreenRant no doubt. Seriously disappointed, thankfully I didn't buy yet.

[Tobias]

How fragile can someone's personality be - you're like "LOOK AT ME"

[Ghostrider]

Sir Zyr lähetti viestin:

DaniTheHero lähetti viestin:

I don't understand your argument here.

Yes, these countries don't have a constitution that guarantees free speech, does that mean these countries NOT having free speech, and increasingly getting less of it a good thing?
Israel also doesn't have a constitution and has a far more robust free speech than all of the European countries. And up until fairly recently Australia and New Zealand were very similar as well.

Considering where unlimited free speech seemingly led Germany, I'd say restricting it is a good thing in their case.

They tried that in the 1930's / 1940's and you see where that led them.

[Retro]

Eirantiun-6 lähetti viestin:

thank god I didnt bought it yesterday.

Yesterday the game was fine but i guess they caved in.

[Chef Kami]

There's a fck ton of actual in real life problems in this world. Go touch grass.

[FL33TWOOD]

Razorius lähetti viestin:

(Have fun with very toxic activist "fans" this crap is gonna attract) caving in to pressure from ideologically-driven

Ironically your OG post is literally toxic, crap, ideologically-driven that you claim will bring... 😑

Ever looked in a mirror? 🪞

[Chilltex]

Anyone who disagrees with you only seems to be able to come here and insult you OP. Behold the side of tolerance and love.

[milkcartongirl]

Snowflake lmao

[Aturchomicz]

Chilltex lähetti viestin:

Anyone who disagrees with you only seems to be able to come here and insult you OP. Behold the side of tolerance and love.

No sane Leftist is tolerant towards the intolerant lmao https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance

[DaniTheHero]

Sir Zyr lähetti viestin:

DaniTheHero lähetti viestin:

I don't understand your argument here.

Yes, these countries don't have a constitution that guarantees free speech, does that mean these countries NOT having free speech, and increasingly getting less of it a good thing?
Israel also doesn't have a constitution and has a far more robust free speech than all of the European countries. And up until fairly recently Australia and New Zealand were very similar as well.

Considering where unlimited free speech seemingly led Germany, I'd say restricting it is a good thing in their case.

Also, different countries have different cultures.

As to Israel, LOL https://rsf.org/en/country/israel https://www.972mag.com/israeli-military-censor-media-2023/ They routinely censor the press, which is something a country that loves Free Speech would totally do, right?

What a dishonest take on history. Claiming that the rise of the Nazi's was attributed to "Unlimited"/too much free speech is just absurd.

The rise of Nazis was not due to free speech, but resulted from multiple complex factors:
Extreme economic devastation from World War I reparations.
Hyperinflation and economic collapse of Weimar Republic.
Deep social and political instability.
Widespread resentment from Treaty of Versailles' punitive conditions.

Weak democratic institutions.
Lack of strong democratic traditions.
Political violence from multiple extremist groups.
Systematic dismantling of democratic processes, not free speech.
Active suppression of opposition voices.

Used legal mechanisms to progressively restrict rights.
Systematically eliminated political opponents.
Controlled media narrative.
Used fear and propaganda more than open debate.
Exploited economic desperation.

Nazis actually benefited from SUPPRESSING free speech.
They shut down opposing newspapers.
Banned political parties.
Imprisoned journalists and academics.
Controlled public discourse through force, not debate.

The argument that "unlimited free speech led to Nazis" is historically illiterate. In reality, the destruction of free speech enabled Nazi rise to power, not the opposite.

You had free speech in the USA for centuries. Where's the dictatorship?

Regarding Israel, this is yet another argument made in bad faith. The flow of information during wartime when national security risks and strategic leaks are at stake does not negate the existence of free speech in public discourse.

Journalists and news channels openly criticize the government. Protests are frequent, with both sides of the political spectrum freely demonstrating against those in power. Online discussions remain open and unrestricted.

No one is going to knock on your door for calling the Israeli Prime Minister an idiot or a bastard, or for making inflammatory statements (as long as they do not directly support terrorism). In contrast, such things do happen in the UK and Germany literally ALL the time.

[Alzral]

Lmao.
Can't make this up, what a silly thing to complain about.

[Piperbird]

OMG! Not an optional setting in a drop down menu I never have to use and won't affect my game in any way! I must throw a fit, boycott the game, and rush to the forums to let everyone know how upset I am about a feature I never have to use! *stomps feet*

[MTBear]

Sir Zyr lähetti viestin:

MTBear lähetti viestin:

Look at Canadian law, yes you actually can. But believe what you like.

*Looks at Canadian law*

https://www.cbc.ca/cbcdocspov/features/canadas-gender-identity-rights-bill-c-16-explained

Does the bill legislate the use of certain language? And could someone go to jail for using the wrong pronoun?

In the Criminal Code, which does not reference pronouns, Cossman says misusing pronouns alone would not constitute a criminal act.

“The misuse of gender pronouns, without more, cannot rise to the level of a crime,” she says. “It cannot rise to the level of advocating genocide, inciting hatred, hate speech or hate crimes … (it) simply cannot meet the threshold.”

...

If someone refused to use a preferred pronoun — and it was determined to constitute discrimination or harassment — could that potentially result in jail time?

It is possible, Brown says, through a process that would start with a complaint and progress to a proceeding before a human rights tribunal. If the tribunal rules that harassment or discrimination took place, there would typically be an order for monetary and non-monetary remedies. A non-monetary remedy may include sensitivity training, issuing an apology, or even a publication ban, he says.

If the person refused to comply with the tribunal's order, this would result in a contempt proceeding being sent to the Divisional or Federal Court, Brown says. The court could then potentially send a person to jail “until they purge the contempt,” he says.

“It could happen,” Brown says. “Is it likely to happen? I don’t think so. But, my opinion on whether or not that's likely has a lot to do with the particular case that you're looking at.”

“The path to prison is not straightforward. It’s not easy. But, it’s there. It’s been used before in breach of tribunal orders.”

Basically it's a hell of a lot more complicated than "Misgendering takes you straight to jail," and you basically have to work at it to get jailed.

Not to be an ass here, but I can go to Dr. Professor Google too and bring up information. it's MUCH different when you actually see and or hear about people being jailed or held for what is basically a hate crime due to the fact they refused to refer to some one with their pronouns. Just food for thought.

[Piperbird]

Retro lähetti viestin:

Yesterday the game was fine but i guess they caved in.

Nah, the feature was there when DrGluon made a character weeks ago. It's nothing new.

[direwolfd20]

Artcake lähetti viestin:

An ideology is believing in something and making it real. Gender is not an ideology, we are literally living it, there is people walking beside you on the streets (scary right?), who live this life, and it is not an ideology to them no more than it is an ideology being straight to you.

Wouldn't it be ideology? There are only two genders by provable fact, male and female. The rest have no physical evidence to look into. The only other possible "gender" would be intersex, and that is simply a goof in nature combining the two genders. Everything else is created in your mind. Non-binary is impossible according to the proven fact. Transgender is impossible due to proven fact. We are mammals that have only male and female, not fish or lizards where we change between.

As for the OP, while I'm obviously not a supporter of TQ+, this game isn't forcing you to deal with it. It is an option you are able to skip. While I agree its semi-annoying to see they added it right before EA launch, I can imagine that they are being bombarded in their social media to include the TQ+. I'm fine with it being an option for someone to choose. I just don't want to see it inside of my world while I'm playing.

[Artcake]

direwolfd20 lähetti viestin:

Wouldn't it be ideology? There are only two genders by provable fact

Expect that's not true either for anyone who can be bothered doing more than 2 minutes research.