Everything you create is theirs

[BakkerHenk]

Stuff like this should be illegal.

"You hereby grant the Company a free, worldwide, non-exclusive, irrevocable, transferable, sublicensable right to use the User Content in connection with the Game or Services and the promotion thereof, including modifying, adapting, using, reproducing, licensing, publishing, broadcasting, performing, selling, translating, creating derivative works from, and distributing any User Content, for any purpose, commercial or otherwise, in any format existing now or in the future. You grant to Company the right to exploit your User Content in the Game or Services (including displaying ads on or within the Services or User Content or charging users a fee for access) without the entitlement of any payments. You also agree to waive any right to claim that the Company’s or Company’s sublicensee’s use of User Content violates or infringes any of your rights, including but not limited to moral rights, rights of privacy, rights to publicity, proprietary or other rights, or rights to any credits for the material or ideas set forth therein."

[Sol4rSky]

Simple Version:
By agreeing to this, you allow the company to use anything you create or share in the game however they want, forever. They can change it, sell it, or use it for ads without paying you. You also can’t complain later that they used your content unfairly or ask for credit or money.

Interesting, so if someone makes some clothing modding, assuming it's all made by them and doesn't use any copyright content : Ie coca cola t-shirt, then the devs can take that and add it to the main game? I assume they could give people titles or so to make it feel like they got rewarded otherwise i'm curious how this would play out in a real scenario.

[camden]

Originally posted by BakkerHenk:

Stuff like this should be illegal.

"You hereby grant the Company a free, worldwide, non-exclusive, irrevocable, transferable, sublicensable right to use the User Content in connection with the Game or Services and the promotion thereof, including modifying, adapting, using, reproducing, licensing, publishing, broadcasting, performing, selling, translating, creating derivative works from, and distributing any User Content, for any purpose, commercial or otherwise, in any format existing now or in the future. You grant to Company the right to exploit your User Content in the Game or Services (including displaying ads on or within the Services or User Content or charging users a fee for access) without the entitlement of any payments. You also agree to waive any right to claim that the Company’s or Company’s sublicensee’s use of User Content violates or infringes any of your rights, including but not limited to moral rights, rights of privacy, rights to publicity, proprietary or other rights, or rights to any credits for the material or ideas set forth therein."

This is a common legal clause in every game with player-created content.

[Tia1230]

Have you played The Sims franchise whatever you create on that game belongs to them to. You are technically just buying the right to play you don't own the game.

[BakkerHenk]

Originally posted by camden:

Originally posted by BakkerHenk:

Stuff like this should be illegal.

"You hereby grant the Company a free, worldwide, non-exclusive, irrevocable, transferable, sublicensable right to use the User Content in connection with the Game or Services and the promotion thereof, including modifying, adapting, using, reproducing, licensing, publishing, broadcasting, performing, selling, translating, creating derivative works from, and distributing any User Content, for any purpose, commercial or otherwise, in any format existing now or in the future. You grant to Company the right to exploit your User Content in the Game or Services (including displaying ads on or within the Services or User Content or charging users a fee for access) without the entitlement of any payments. You also agree to waive any right to claim that the Company’s or Company’s sublicensee’s use of User Content violates or infringes any of your rights, including but not limited to moral rights, rights of privacy, rights to publicity, proprietary or other rights, or rights to any credits for the material or ideas set forth therein."

This is a common legal clause in every game with player-created content.

I know it is and I think it should be illegal. Could you imagine a paintbrush company asking for basically full ownership of your work because you used their brushes?

[Xautos]

It is their game after all, your modifications are based and entirely reliant on the game, by extension any modifications developed for use in inzoi does indeed belong to Krafton if they so wish to claim it and any official modding tools used is also their property you are using to manipulate assets and create new assets to be put into the game with, so it's still their property.

If you won't want your stuff made Krafton's, though it's impossible as by default they will already have their claim on it, you can try hide it from Krafton's view and publish it in some dark net site or something, though it won't stop users installing it and coming up to surface level for Krafton to discover anyway.

[Sol4rSky]

For example Bethesda has something like this but, it's mostly in regards to using the Creation Engine to make stuff or any of their tools. If you use their game files etc they got the right over it.

But if you make a mod without using their assets, your own models, code etc they don't really own it as far as I understand.

Though Bethesda also sells user made mods and they get a cut. I've never heard of them doing anything negative in regards to people's mods, so it could be the same here really.

[Whoami]

Originally posted by BakkerHenk:

Originally posted by camden:

This is a common legal clause in every game with player-created content.

I know it is and I think it should be illegal. Could you imagine a paintbrush company asking for basically full ownership of your work because you used their brushes?

its a license to use the game. paint brushes you own.

[koinzell]

i don't know. sounds like a PR talk to cover their ass from potential harm.

i recall the sims also has something like that.

[PrimusNephilim]

I don't see the argument here, we've all seen modders use name brands on their creations that goes behind paywalls if you want to use it, those modders aren't paying royalties for those designs. Its the same with home ownership in the US, you can pay off your home mortgage but if you don't pay the real estate taxes, the government send a non-governing department (IRS) to take away "your" house. How many games do you actually own? if its digital, you don't own them, you're allowed to use it, the same goes with your music on an iPhone app.

Players and modders didn't develop the game, they didn't develop the software to mod the game, they don't pay the electric bill to keep the servers on, they don't pay to maintain the servers, the list goes on and on. You paid a fee so you can use someone else's program.

Is it fair? Thats a matter of perspective, people sighing up for these applications are agreeing to the terms before hitting the download button. So, if you think its unfair, don't hit the download button.

[FLESH AUTOMATON]

Who cares bro it's a ♥♥♥♥♥♥ game LOL

[Xautos]

Originally posted by PrimusNephilim:

I don't see the argument here, we've all seen modders use name brands on their creations that goes behind paywalls if you want to use it, those modders aren't paying royalties for those designs. Its the same with home ownership in the US, you can pay off your home mortgage but if you don't pay the real estate taxes, the government send a non-governing department (IRS) to take away "your" house. How many games do you actually own? if its digital, you don't own them, you're allowed to use it, the same goes with your music on an iPhone app.

Players and modders didn't develop the game, they didn't develop the software to mod the game, they don't pay the electric bill to keep the servers on, they don't pay to maintain the servers, the list goes on and on. You paid a fee so you can use someone else's program.

Is it fair? Thats a matter of perspective, people sighing up for these applications are agreeing to the terms before hitting the download button. So, if you think its unfair, don't hit the download button.

Mostly depends if Krafton has a policy where content has to be made free within a certain amount of patches, of their latest built or within a certain time.

some modders on TS4 for example aren't follwing the UGC EA set out about having a public version of some of their content out within a month of releasing it or its patched version.


I'm not in the habit of paying someone to manipulate assets belonging to another group and try to sell access to it through a paywall, i don't care how much effort went into it. it's not theirs by any right, so it's not theirs to paywall either.

[Shake Caine]

That is how it works my man in all modding cases. Nothing new.

[LORD]

If you can prove that you spent time and effort, invested resources, generated value, inprinted into it some unique creativity/originality, "and the like" you can hire a good lawyer and get half of what you "sourced" into it and caused them gain from it.

But most of you, or humanity or the west is not ready for this conversation.

Social Contract of Rousseau and the other foundation philosophers of society (Montesquieu, Foucault, Adam Smith, etc a long list really) are now "lower tier" than the current levels of complexity for social problem solving and human civilizatory sustainable social development.

[Xautos]

Originally posted by LORD:

If you can prove that you spent time and effort, invested resources, generated value, inprinted into it some unique creativity/originality, "and the like" you can hire a good lawyer and get half of what you "sourced" into it and caused them gain from it.

But most of you, or humanity or the west is not ready for this conversation.

Social Contract of Rousseau and the other foundation philosophers of society (Montesquieu, Foucault, etc) are now "lower tier" than the current levels of complexity for social problem solving and human civilizatory sustainable social development.

You can't seperate the modded content from the game, it's entirely reliant on the game and it all based off the developers and their works. any modder who thinks they got a legal case will be laughed right out of the courtroom. they can't claim to own something that was never theirs to begin with.

[LORD]

Right.