I uninstalled InZOI Creative Studio...

[HeartVeldskoen]

...before even trying it.

Did you read the privacy policy?
They collect all sorts of stuff: browsing habits, IP address. Why is my IP address needed to improve the game? Will there be locally-made content based on my IP address location?

And other electronic information followed by a vague 'etc'.
What else is taken of my personal information without my knowing?

All of this is said to 'honour the contract' between myself and inZOI.

No, thank you. I agree to none of it.

Can I try the game/Creator studio without my personal information being looked at? Just like the good ol' offline games of yesterday?

[Xautos]

Cobra lähetti viestin:

Xautos lähetti viestin:

There are agreements before you install that Steam offer you to let you know what you are getting into and then you agree to it before installing. So as soon as it has finished installing that Denuvo anti-piracy thing will get to work to protect that demo. it's already too late by that point to uninstall it, it has already done its thing.

This is too late, as required by EU law. You need to disclose the use of mechanisms like Denuvo, BEFORE the purchase/download of the software takes place. Its like me saying "actually that banana you bought, i found it in the sewer", after you already paid me for the banana.

Krafton didn't however and yes, it was too late, it has already harvested enough data before it was uninstalled. I don't know however far down it goes for monitoring and harvesting purposes or if it remains after it was supposed to be deleted along with the demo. After that whole Securom business with EA a few decades back, i remain wary of it.

[Bigbrotherj1992]

ScarlettFox lähetti viestin:

This kind of data collection is standard across almost all modern games, especially online ones. Almost every game you play collects things like IP addresses and browsing habits for security, analytics, and improving the experience.

As for personal information, they only collect what's required by the laws in certain countries. If you're in a country with data protection laws, companies are often required to store or process some of that data to comply. Otherwise, they aren’t just scooping up personal details for no reason.

thank you for saying it the data they are crying about is not of any monetary value to anyone or any comapany and all companies in the world collect this data including companies such as google youtube tiktok facebook x microsoft xbox sony and playstation and steam all collect this data

[runelee2]

Bigbrotherj1992 lähetti viestin:

Cobra lähetti viestin:

You have absolutely no clue what you're talking about lol. Ignorance is bliss. In some way i envy you. The privacy policy is far from the only concern with the game, by the way.

just head on into your bunker with your tin foil hat on sir aliens will be in to probe your mind momentarily

I don't follow any conspiracy stuff, and yeah there's a lot of things I don't like about the game besides the privacy stuff(the building systems feel straight out of the mid-2000's in terms of functionality). At the same time, I'm not going to pretend that the big tech firms didn't take the past 20+ years of "harmless" data to build their AIs and make potentially billions, completely upend the art world and search engines, and face no real legal challenges because the average consumer thinks like you do.

[Cobra]

Cosmic lähetti viestin:

Cobra lähetti viestin:

This is too late, as required by EU law. You need to disclose the use of mechanisms like Denuvo, BEFORE the purchase/download of the software takes place. Its like me saying "actually that banana you bought, i found it in the sewer", after you already paid me for the banana.

This is a different topic to the one that the OP is talking about, this thread is about the privacy policy, they even have a specific section about EU law in it.

They should be notifying users of additional software for the demo no doubt! but I expect the store page will be updated to include that declaration before it launches for the actual game itself.

The user i responded to brought up Denuvo. And no, its not sufficient to update the page once the game is live. They shipped the demo version of the game with this software installing in the background. They needed to disclose this before even releasing a demo. But it is very clear what they are doing. If you go to their Discord server and type "Denuvo", youll get instantly banned. They dont want people to know about it.

[Bigbrotherj1992]

runelee2 lähetti viestin:

Bigbrotherj1992 lähetti viestin:

just head on into your bunker with your tin foil hat on sir aliens will be in to probe your mind momentarily

I don't follow any conspiracy stuff, and yeah there's a lot of things I don't like about the game besides the privacy stuff(the building systems feel straight out of the mid-2000's in terms of functionality). At the same time, I'm not going to pretend that the big tech firms didn't take the past 20+ years of "harmless" data to build their AIs and make potentially billions, completely upend the art world and search engines, and face no real legal challenges because the average consumer thinks like you do.

I have no problem with AI i like it i think it’s kool i like inzoi’s ai features

[Toonen1988]

Oh my god, you found something shocking. They collect your IP adress, please quick call the news channels.

May I ask how old you are? Because companies collect IP adresses since the beginning of internet. You don't think websites, other games and even Steam doesn't collect any IP adresses?

If you are afraid that someone collects your IP adress, then what are you doing on the internet? Atleast they are honest about it, many other companies aren't especially websites.

[Bigbrotherj1992]

Toonen1988 lähetti viestin:

Oh my god, you found something shocking. They collect your IP adress, please quick call the news channels.

May I ask how old you are? Because companies collect IP adresses since the beginning of internet. You don't think websites, other games and even Steam doesn't collect any IP adresses?

THANK YOU THATS WHAT I SAID they need professional mental help

[cube]

Bigbrotherj1992 lähetti viestin:

thank you for saying it the data they are crying about is not of any monetary value to anyone or any comapany and all companies in the world collect this data including companies such as google youtube tiktok facebook x microsoft xbox sony and playstation and steam all collect this data

There's an entire industry built around buying, bundling and selling this kind of information on individuals. They're called data brokers.
Your bank account isn't the only thing companies can extract money from. How often do you play games? Your health insurance company would like to know this so they can decide how much to raise your premiums next year due to your "unhealthy lifestyle". Don't think I'm kidding.

The IP address alone isn't particularly alarming. If you're connecting to their server they have your IP address. The concerning part is their collection of browser and cookie data. They have no justifiable reason for collecting that.

[Toonen1988]

Information is the new gold, that's a fact. Companies collect and sell/buy information for generating money. Companies can manipulate customers with certain information, think about advertisements, services or other business practices.

It's kinda naive to blame a single developer for collecting certain information while you still play other games that does the same thing, maybe even being active daily on social media, which collects even WAY MORE information as a game like inZOI.

It's so hypocrite that people complain so much about a developer, but yet 5 minutes later they use something else that collects even more information and they don't care about it.

If you are very scared that they might get your IP, I suggest to turn off the computer and look for a other hobby. Like I stated in my other messages, companies are collecting IP adresses since the beginning of internet. But yet, many, many, many, many years later, someone finds it a problem out of nowhere.

I also found it laughable how people use social media to complain about privacy issue's. They login, start complaining about our privacy issue's and post it on social media, which is one of the biggest information farming crap there is on the internet and when they have enough, they start to post which restaurant they visited, new pics they made, what they are going to do tomorrow and other crap that nobody cares about.

Hypocritical people nowadays.

[runelee2]

Bigbrotherj1992 lähetti viestin:

runelee2 lähetti viestin:

I don't follow any conspiracy stuff, and yeah there's a lot of things I don't like about the game besides the privacy stuff(the building systems feel straight out of the mid-2000's in terms of functionality). At the same time, I'm not going to pretend that the big tech firms didn't take the past 20+ years of "harmless" data to build their AIs and make potentially billions, completely upend the art world and search engines, and face no real legal challenges because the average consumer thinks like you do.

I have no problem with AI i like it i think it’s kool i like inzoi’s ai features

Ok fair. But I think it's important to understand the perspective here. If they get to make billions off your information, it's not "valueless" anymore is it? Shouldn't you and everyone else get a cut? Especially if they take that information without asking? Even if you think the tech is cool/good(It has upsides for this type of game for sure), everyone is basically taking a massive L they shouldn't have to. Heck, were paying them to take it in most cases.

[Kat]

Every time you access the internet, you are giving someone information, its sort of how the internet works (not on a social level, but from a technical sense). Steam constantly collects information about you, your hardware, your gaming history, etc. it's nothing new.

Will InZoi collect data about you?
Yes.

Does any website you enable cookies for collect data about you?
Also yes.

Do they care about information not relevant to them as a company?
No.

Will the CIA come knocking on your door because you spent 12 hours browsing Steam forums?
No.

Seriously though, data brokering has been going on since the 1970's and it will never change. ToS's are designed to be at least sort of transparent about what they can and can't do with that data, and if you have spent more that 2 months on the internet in any capacity, everyone who wants data on you specifically, already has it. Them tracking the very generic metrics outlined in their ToS will not make the slightest bit of difference in your life that you will actively notice.

[Baro]

Well, the problem here is that the wording is quite vague. "Cookies and browser data" could refer to a web view embedded in the game or the game's ability to open the publishers website. It's also unclear what data is actually being collected. They mention "when using our services," which suggests that it refers to data collected within the game and/or on their official website.

Furthermore, it's not that easy for an application to access data from a private browser -> the software would need at least administrator privileges or would have to install an additional component. (Denuvo DRM, for example, usually doesn't have the technical capability to do that.)

[Cobra]

There are some serious brainlets in this discussion lol, ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥.

[runelee2]

Baro lähetti viestin:

Well, the problem here is that the wording is quite vague. "Cookies and browser data" could refer to a web view embedded in the game or the game's ability to open the publishers website. It's also unclear what data is actually being collected. They mention "when using our services," which suggests that it refers to data collected within the game and/or on their official website.

Furthermore, it's not that easy for an application to access data from a private browser -> the software would need at least administrator privileges or would have to install an additional component. (Denuvo DRM, for example, usually doesn't have the technical capability to do that.)

To add to your point more then anything, they really have to double down with the "3d printer" feature, since that can process real world images and generate new in-game objects as far as I can tell.

[S3SSioN Solaris]

Bigbrotherj1992 lähetti viestin:

we have no time for conspiracy theories your data isnt that valuable any dam

Data collection in a single player game?

Your username is literally big brother and you have no semblance of the importance of privacy.