Kalypso and past Tropico games

[Crazy Alchemy]

I'm really interested in this, the only problem is that Kalypso has a real history for shovelware and selling broken, unplayable products that often are not at all as advertised, and as awesome as Tropico 4 is, it's realistically just a mod of Tropico 3 even using the same building icons and all of the same assets, sold as a separate game.

So will Tropico 5 really be a whole new game, or will it be another Tropico 3 mod sold with a new game's price tag? And can we trust Kalyso in anything given their history?

[Crazy Alchemy]

Publicado originalmente por Nats:

Publicado originalmente por Imperfect Customer:

I'm really interested in this, the only problem is that Kalypso has a real history for shovelware and selling broken, unplayable products

Yes I agree I wouldnt touch Kalypso products with a barge pole no matter how much they try to hype them. Legends of Pegasus was probably their worst ever failure - completely borkwen game that never got fixed and a lot of people never got a refund on that. Since then I have made sure I dont go anywhere near any of their products. Shoddy outfit they are, they dont test their products properly and dont fix them after they are released.

Well Haemimont Games is actually the developer, and they have a fairly good history, but are mostly known in europe. Most of their Rome games are pretty good. They also made Celtic Kings which is a fun dumb strategy game. And Rising Kingdoms got a really bad reception because of Starcraft comparisons but taken as it's own game it was pretty good and still has something of a cult fanbase playing it multiplayer, a bit unfairly recieved IMO.

The only games I'd say they really screwed up were The First Templar and Tropico 4, and I'd only say they screwed up Tropico 4 because they released it way too damn similar to Tropico 3 to justify being called a sequel, but after the DLC it became more easy to justify buying a bundle pack.

If this gets good reviews it might be worth buying just to support the genre.

[Nats]

Publicado originalmente por Imperfect Customer:

Well Haemimont Games is actually the developer, and they have a fairly good history

I hear this a lot, XXX are the developer Kalypso are only the publisher. IMO Kalypso are responsible for testing the product, decision when to release, and in what state the game is released - therefore it doesnt matter a damn who the developer is. Some developers may be a lot better than others at producing a stable well designed game but all I see is Kalypso on the label and that is an automatic no buy for me. And the more people who follow my lead and stop buying from rubbish publishers, the better the games market would most certainly become. The state of AAA games releases is at its worst, I dont buy games from those people, and you shouldnt either if you want to buy good games in the future.

[hardwiredsin]

Tropico is Kalypso's baby and they have always done right by Tropico releases so why even worry about what they have done with other games when THIS is the forum for Tropico 5?

Why can't people stop finding things to complain about and instead be happy that IT'S A NEW FREAKING TROPICO AND EL PRESIDENTE IS BACK!

[nastynick321]

What people don't realize is kalypso out source their games to be made by 3rd parties then they fix the bugs later, the fact that open beta aka early access is not happening just proves they are wanting to publish a polished game and not the usual glitchy crap that alot of big name companies are doing now.

[Crazy Alchemy]

Publicado originalmente por anexsia:

Tropico is Kalypso's baby and they have always done right by Tropico

Kalypso is just a publisher aren't they?

And they didn't do right by Tropico 4. If you ever played Tropico 3, then when Tropico 4 first came out the first thing you would have noticed is that it was the same damn game with new maps. It was at best an expansion pack being sold as a whole new game.

Publicado originalmente por anexsia:

Why can't people stop finding things to complain about

Because there are things to complain about and if everyone just blindly ignores them that allows things to only ever get worse and worse with absolutely no push back, it's bad for gamers and it's bad for the entire industry for everyone to just accept crap and never complain.

[iki_balam]

Considering how well the past Tropico launches have been, I see no reason to doubt the launch of this installment. And hey, the beta test will be about two months of work before release, so thats a pretty good beta test

Look at it this way, Tropico 3 was just them testing the waters of city sim/political sim, having bought the franchise. Thus Tropico 4 was the tepid venturing out (as in they tried things in the game the original Tropico didn't have).

So now knowing that the game is popular, and they can execute well their own ideas, they have gone big with Tropico 5. Given the predictability of this franchise (fun base game, good bug free release, one “must have” DLC and then a bunch of fluff DLC) I saw no reason to hold off on pre order

[Crazy Alchemy]

Tropico 4 was great, but it was the same damn game as Tropico 3 when it first came out. Same damn game, it had new maps and like one or two new buildings and that was it. There was nothing to justify the price tag. After a few patches and DLC that changed a bit but I want to remind people that launch wise there was poor quality control involved and they were charging a full new game price for what was essentially DLC.

They've probably learned their lesson with Tropico 5 and one look at the features list has my mouth watering but there is that history to be aware of.

[nastynick321]

The same could be said for many simulation games they only buff the maps or the objects and throw in a couple of more missions but my understanding of T5 is that the whole system has been redone fixing the issues that most of us had with a weak military, weak trade options and no multiplayer option, besides throwing in a lot more building types, not quite sure how many more maps have been added, but T4 gave you the option to create your own maps so i hope this option has been kept. :)

[Crazy Alchemy]

Publicado originalmente por nastynick321:

The same could be said for many simulation games

Not really. Tropico 4 was the most blatant copy paste job I have ever seen, everything about it, the graphics, the buildings, the building icons, the stats, the Dictator creator, everything was exactly the same except Tropico 4 had a few new maps. That was it pretty much when it first came out, it was the only time I ever felt ripped off by anything Tropico.

Normally when something sells as a whole new game they've at least reskinned everything, they didn't even do that.

[NekoHime]

Look, so long as they bring Miss PIneapple back, I frankly don't give a care how much its like Tropico 4.

Also I heavily prefer Tropico 4 to Tropico 3.

[Terra]

Publicado originalmente por Mori:

Look, so long as they bring Miss PIneapple back, I frankly don't give a care how much its like Tropico 4.

Also I heavily prefer Tropico 4 to Tropico 3.

First of all, agreed.

Secondly; Name one company that developes city sims to this qaulity that isn't along the lines of: "YOU FUOND CUOL! GAU FUELZ DA TURNKZ WAT IT UND BLEW UPZ DA WURLD!!!!111". It is one of the few companies that actually looks at this type of game and in my opinion, they do it well.

If you can name 6 city MANAGEMENT sims, to this quality, I will consider myself 1 up-ed.

[Whitman]

Publicado originalmente por Imperfect Customer:

Publicado originalmente por anexsia:

Tropico is Kalypso's baby and they have always done right by Tropico

Kalypso is just a publisher aren't they?

We're not only the publisher but also the IP owner.

[iki_balam]

Publicado originalmente por Whitman:

Publicado originalmente por Imperfect Customer:

Kalypso is just a publisher aren't they?

We're not only the publisher but also the IP owner.

so you own Tropico 2 Pirates Cove, as in right to do a remake fo that as well or add it in as a DLC to T5 *wink wink nudge nudge hint hint*

[NekoHime]

Publicado originalmente por Germany:

Publicado originalmente por Mori:

Look, so long as they bring Miss PIneapple back, I frankly don't give a care how much its like Tropico 4.

Also I heavily prefer Tropico 4 to Tropico 3.

First of all, agreed.

Secondly; Name one company that developes city sims to this qaulity that isn't along the lines of: "YOU FUOND CUOL! GAU FUELZ DA TURNKZ WAT IT UND BLEW UPZ DA WURLD!!!!111". It is one of the few companies that actually looks at this type of game and in my opinion, they do it well.

If you can name 6 city MANAGEMENT sims, to this quality, I will consider myself 1 up-ed.

Simcity, Casear, Anno, Startopia, Settlers, Dwarf Fortress, Final Fantasy: My life as a King, and my personal favorite Afterlife, which is a game where you run heaven and hell.

[Crazy Alchemy]

Publicado originalmente por Whitman:

Publicado originalmente por Imperfect Customer:

Kalypso is just a publisher aren't they?

We're not only the publisher but also the IP owner.

Ah, but aren't the developers a different company?