How does Magnate work? (Solved - see op)

[lordcrekit]

If I have 100% global magnate effect (resources deplete 100% slower), do I get twice as many resources, or infinite?

EDIT: Got the data myself. It's in tab 2 of https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Jbaz-WKJ0WQymCdGe1cEUJ3mKHj38briyXcA27TgzQc/edit?usp=sharing

ASSUMING - that you can actually stack magnate to 100, you can get infinite (or even regenerative) yield. That's a pretty big assumption. Either way...

• a 60% presidente magnate will get a total of 250% yield.
  
• a 30% dynasty member magnate will get a total of 142% yield.
  
• theoretically, a 60% pres + 30% dynasty would get 1,000% yield.
  [*[theoretically, a 60% pres + 2*30% dynsaty would get infinite yield.
  

Math is TotalYield=OrigYield/(1-%Slower)
So it's exponentially better the higher it gets, not linearly.

[Lцсᶖаᶇ º¹]

Definitely not infinite.

[lordcrekit]

Originally posted by Special Agent Javier Peña:

Definitely not infinite.

How do you know?*

*I've found very little real information on how this game works online so far. A lot of it just seems wrong :/

[Lцсᶖаᶇ º¹]

Because I have 100 hours of play and a 5 star magnate which was my 3rd family member. Can't ever remember a deposit not running out eventually. If it worked that way it'd be pretty OP.

[lordcrekit]

Originally posted by Special Agent Javier Peña:

Because I have 100 hours of play and a 5 star magnate which was my 3rd family member. Can't ever remember a deposit not running out eventually. If it worked that way it'd be pretty OP.

A 5 star magnate as president decreases it by 60%. That won't tell you how it works.

I want to know if the math is
Drain*(1-Magnate)
or
Drain*1/(1+Magnate)

[JMTAotP]

I view this as a time factor because the word slower, to me, makes it seem like a time reference in the sense that it takes longer to deplete. Basically, I think it is simply saying "the mine will take X percent longer to deplete." Here are the equasions to support my claim since it seems you are interested in that aspect of it:

*When I present this I am making up how long it takes to mine 100,000 resources. I do not know how long it actually takes to mine 100,000 resources as it varies based on city building.*

A person can figure out how many resources they mine per minute with a stopclock and watching the screen. Then how long it takes to deplete a mine can be determined by using this equasion:

Resources To Mine / Mining Rate Per Minute = Time to Deplete
100,000 / 1000 per minute = 100 minutes

I view the math problem this way:

A mine has 100,000 resources that will be depleted in 100 minutes. If you deplete the mine 60 percent slower with Magnate then how long will it take to deplete the mine of 100,000 resources?

I use this equasion to determine the answer:
Resources To Mine = Time To Deplete + Time To Deplete(Magnate)

100,000 = 100 minutes + 100 minutes (60%)
100,000 = 100 minutes + 60 minutes
100,000 = 160 minutes

Therefore, in this example, it would take us 160 minutes to mine 100,000 resources so we get an extra 60 minutes of profit from the mine before it depletes compared to a mine without this Magnate.

To answer your original question, at 100 percent the mine lasts twice as long. This can be viewed as adding twice the amount of resources but I don't think it actually adds resources so that is a bit inaccurate. It still follows, mathmatically, if you wanted to view it as double the amount of resources but in my opinion it is a time factor and not a resource factor.

[lordcrekit]

Originally posted by JMTAotP:

I view this as a time factor because the word slower, to me, makes it seem like a time reference in the sense that it takes longer to deplete. ... but in my opinion it is a time factor and not a resource factor.

Where did you get that information?

[JMTAotP]

My head, lol. I just thought about it and that is the conclusion I came up with. That is why I called it a claim and used the math to support my claim.

If you are asking where I got the word "slower" it is because it is in the definition of the trait and also your original post. The word "slower" is the basis for my premise.

Also, like I said before if we present the premise in the form of "add X percent resources to the total amount" then the math still works but the math is still in reference to time even if you looked at it as adding resources because twice the amount takes twice as long to mine. It does not increase profits just prolongs the ability to gain profits. The reason I think the time factor is correct is because I do not notice resources being added to the mines aside from Edicts and Upgrades.

[lordcrekit]

Originally posted by JMTAotP:

My head, lol.

I'm just gunna do some research on it. I think this game has been under- uh- under researched. xD

[JMTAotP]

Sure, no problem. I just seen this thread and thought about it and wanted to share what I thought. However, I do have to admit I think my logic is correct here. 100 percent Magnate means the mine will last twice as long as a standard mine without it - regardless if it doubles the resource amount or not. It for sure, like the first response states, does not give you infinite resources as 100 percent of 100 + 100 does not = infinite, it = 200 (twice the amount of any base value that is used).

[lordcrekit]

Originally posted by JMTAotP:

Sure, no problem. I just seen this thread and thought about it and wanted to share what I thought. However, I do have to admit I think my logic is correct here. 100 percent Magnate means the mine will last twice as long as a standard mine without it - regardless if it doubles the resource amount or not. It for sure, like the first response states, does not give you infinite resources as 100 percent of 100 + 100 does not = infinite, it = 200 (twice the amount of any base value that is used).

Yeah but your logic is just you thinking of how it is worded. I want to actually know lol.

[Boomer Maneuver]

Look at the mine, when it adds output does the supply go down?

[lordcrekit]

Originally posted by Zaphrous:

Look at the mine, when it adds output does the supply go down?

Okay I haven't done the control test yet, but it looks like it would be infinite (or even regenerating). My gold mine, with 60% slower drain, ended up giving 219.22% yield, NOT 160%. I'll post the data when I've finisshed gathering it.

Originally posted by JMTAotP:

Sure, no problem. I just seen this thread and thought about it and wanted to share what I thought. However, I do have to admit I think my logic is correct here. 100 percent Magnate means the mine will last twice as long as a standard mine without it - regardless if it doubles the resource amount or not. It for sure, like the first response states, does not give you infinite resources as 100 percent of 100 + 100 does not = infinite, it = 200 (twice the amount of any base value that is used).

I can confirm that you are wrong.

[JMTAotP]

Originally posted by lordcrekit:

Originally posted by Zaphrous:

Look at the mine, when it adds output does the supply go down?

Okay I haven't done the control test yet, but it looks like it would be infinite (or even regenerating). My gold mine, with 60% slower drain, ended up giving 219.22% yield, NOT 160%. I'll post the data when I've finisshed gathering it.

Originally posted by JMTAotP:

Sure, no problem. I just seen this thread and thought about it and wanted to share what I thought. However, I do have to admit I think my logic is correct here. 100 percent Magnate means the mine will last twice as long as a standard mine without it - regardless if it doubles the resource amount or not. It for sure, like the first response states, does not give you infinite resources as 100 percent of 100 + 100 does not = infinite, it = 200 (twice the amount of any base value that is used).

I can confirm that you are wrong.

I didn't say you would yield 160%. I said it would take 160 minutes to deplete the mine and that was a very specific example.

[lordcrekit]

It's now at 250% yield. I'm still exporting gold 6 years after my gold mine has run empty.

The teamsters are either REALLY slow, or something is horribly wrong with this game.

Originally posted by JMTAotP:

I didn't say you would yield 160%. I said it would take 160 minutes to deplete the mine and that was a very specific example.

Unless they change the rate of mining as well, then 160% time = 160% yield. So yeah, you did kinda say that.

[JMTAotP]

So you have empty gold mines still standing? Does your emtpy gold mines still say they are outputting and producing? Share some screenshots if you don't mind.