MASSIVE SPOILERS; Confusion about the overall plot

[Robokiba]

Ok, so I just finished the game so all this is going to be huge spoilers and stuff I don't feel were explained all that well. There were a few things that made very little sense to me. For example The fact that Sagazzar and Oriele still being alive not just through the entirety of our game, but also the hundreds if not over a thousand years before that. Another point is the Calamity. Did it happen? Was it a dud? Final question is The Heirophant. I remembered him saying he wanted his own world and new world order and all that. Did he actually dip out from the world? Did he take the whole kingdom with him? Was there human life left after the termites if the Kingdom's survivors went to an alternate world? And if this is that alternate world, why is there no religious order? If anyone can answer any of those questions I'd be real grateful. Tried looking up on wikis and couldn't find much in way of answers.

[AliceShiki]

Sagzaar and Orieve are Ancients. The Ancients have an extremely long lifespam by default, and they can use the same spell Orieve taught Leon to pass on their souls to different bodies when their very very long lifespam comes to an end.

The Calamity did happen. The capital of the kingdom the Seven Heroes lived in was Teretuva. That all became a desert. The climate of Nazelle was messed up and became icy, the jungle took over Salamat, the destruction of the Torrid Ruins, Nival Ruins, Gelid Ruins, Sunken Tower, Eirunep Tower... All those things were the fault of the Calamity.

The Hierophant and the vast majority of the surviving Ancients left this world by using the same device that teleported the Heroes away. The heroes came back to this world knowing that. What Noel, Rocbouquet and Wagnas were researching were the old regions that the Ancients controlled. They wanted to find out clues to what world the Hierophants and the other Ancients teleported to, so that they could follow them and exact their revenge.

The Seven Heroes were able to defeat the Termites, so humanity was able to prosper... Still, most of them died to the Calamity... However, as the Calamity was many thousands of years ago, humanity was able to rebuild, while the ancients decided to lock themselves away in the Forgotten Town instead of continuing to rule over the humans like they previously did.

[Robokiba]

Thank you so much! I got really confused with the calamity I think. Mostly because in the first memory I thought it was "all human life will end", but watching it again they said "civilisation". And considering Rocbouqet said she found where it was it was almost a cruel irony. I mean sure they DID want to kill the Ancients, but the humans here weren't Ancients any more, so it's a good chance they'd have just left if we didn't have our final confrontation with rocbouqet..... though there's still just an even a chance that they'd have flattened the Empire in retaliation for everything we'd done until then.

[AliceShiki]

Originally posted by Robokiba:

Thank you so much! I got really confused with the calamity I think. Mostly because in the first memory I thought it was "all human life will end", but watching it again they said "civilisation". And considering Rocbouqet said she found where it was it was almost a cruel irony. I mean sure they DID want to kill the Ancients, but the humans here weren't Ancients any more, so it's a good chance they'd have just left if we didn't have our final confrontation with rocbouqet..... though there's still just an even a chance that they'd have flattened the Empire in retaliation for everything we'd done until then.

Yeah, they would have most likely leave once Rocbouquet finished deciphering the secrets.

The problem is that the heroes were all losing their humanity by that point. Dantarg had completely stopped caring about the revenge by then, Subier and Bokhohn didn't seem to be much better, and Kzinssie went on a power trip and seemed to absolutely not care in the slightest and just wanted to be an evil tyrant.

So... What they said in the 15th memory might have ended up just becoming reality after they got their revenge... They might have ended up traveling through worlds for all eternity, becoming tyrants and/or monsters that destroy everything they touched, so they had to be stopped.

But still, it is frustrating that the Hierophant can get his good ending and get away scot free after all the pain he caused the heroes! >.<

[Prescient Stones]

But still, it is frustrating that the Hierophant can get his good ending and get away scot free after all the pain he caused the heroes! >.<

Romancing SaGa 3 Justice Served?

[Chester]

Romancing Saga 3 has its own plot and doesn't really have any relation to Romancing Saga 2. This is true of pretty much all of the Saga games (similar to Final Fantasy). If anyone wants to hold out hope then maybe there'd be a DLC, but I'd say it's extremely unlikely. We've saved humanity; we'll have to content ourselves with that.

[AliceShiki]

Originally posted by Prescient Stones:

But still, it is frustrating that the Hierophant can get his good ending and get away scot free after all the pain he caused the heroes! >.<

Romancing SaGa 3 Justice Served?

I have owned RS3 for years, but I haven't started it yet. Planning on starting it soon once I finish my current manga binge though!

That said, AFAIK, all 3 Romancing SaGa games aren't connected by anything other than the Minstrel being an entity that exists in all 3 and is actually relevant in Minstrel Song.

I do know there is also a gacha set in the future of the Romancing SaGa 3 universe that has a bunch of crossover stuff, but I doubt any of that is canon.

[Gilgamesh]

Originally posted by AliceShiki:

Originally posted by Robokiba:

Thank you so much! I got really confused with the calamity I think. Mostly because in the first memory I thought it was "all human life will end", but watching it again they said "civilisation". And considering Rocbouqet said she found where it was it was almost a cruel irony. I mean sure they DID want to kill the Ancients, but the humans here weren't Ancients any more, so it's a good chance they'd have just left if we didn't have our final confrontation with rocbouqet..... though there's still just an even a chance that they'd have flattened the Empire in retaliation for everything we'd done until then.

Yeah, they would have most likely leave once Rocbouquet finished deciphering the secrets.

The problem is that the heroes were all losing their humanity by that point. Dantarg had completely stopped caring about the revenge by then, Subier and Bokhohn didn't seem to be much better, and Kzinssie went on a power trip and seemed to absolutely not care in the slightest and just wanted to be an evil tyrant.

So... What they said in the 15th memory might have ended up just becoming reality after they got their revenge... They might have ended up traveling through worlds for all eternity, becoming tyrants and/or monsters that destroy everything they touched, so they had to be stopped.

But still, it is frustrating that the Hierophant can get his good ending and get away scot free after all the pain he caused the heroes! >.<

This is what I thought as well when the last memory is unlocked. They foreshadow losing sight of their goal and needing to focus on it. Noel who has the most will power never loses sight of the goal, Rocbouquet tries to help out, but her desire to be loved and wanted causes her to charm the men in the region, Subier follows his obsession with the sea, Bokhon his want to dominate and manipulate people, Dantarg his obsession with power, Kzinssie his need to prove himself better than others, Wagnas his desire for revenge turning into revenge against every person not just the Heirophant.

I thought it was very well written how they show these character traits in the background memories, and then go 200% with their obsessions. I think only Noel, and Roc would've left after finding the next world. I feel like the rest would've stayed, fueling their obsessions. And at that point, I'm not sure Noel and Roc would leave without Wagnas.

[AliceShiki]

Originally posted by Gilgamesh:

Rocbouquet tries to help out, but her desire to be loved and wanted causes her to charm the men in the region,

For what it's worth, Rocbouquet also had a crush on Wagnas according to supplemental material, so she wanted to be loved by a specific man that never looked at her that way. Which might have led to her developing charming powers and the like.

And also, her charming the men in Eirunep was mostly a means to an end. She wanted to get someone powerful enough to defeat the guardian of Eirunep Shrine for her... But it wasn't working out.

At least not until the Emperor appears and defeats it for her that is.

Originally posted by Gilgamesh:

I thought it was very well written how they show these character traits in the background memories, and then go 200% with their obsessions. I think only Noel, and Roc would've left after finding the next world. I feel like the rest would've stayed, fueling their obsessions. And at that point, I'm not sure Noel and Roc would leave without Wagnas.

I think that's quite cool too! I really liked the addition of the memories of the Seven!

Though I think Wagnas would have left too. Dantarg did point out that Wagnas, Noel and Rocbouquet were still obsessed with the revenge, so I think Wagnas would still prioritize that when the opportunity finally came... But yeah, he did seem to have forgotten that the whole point of them being there was to actually do research on the path to the world the Hierophant traveled to.

Maybe Wagnas was trying to find the Forgotten Town though, hence why he was working in Yauda... But this isn't made clear at all, so it's just me speculating... Or if it is made clear, it is in some supplemental material I didn't read.

[TheGTF]

Originally posted by AliceShiki:

I think that's quite cool too! I really liked the addition of the memories of the Seven!

The "Memories of the Seven" are mainly taken from the Romancing SaGa 2 stage play from 2018, "SaGa THE STAGE: Return of the Seven". It's also iirc where Sagzaar actually gets his name because the NPC that explains about how he created the dimension magic used to start all of this mess in original game and remaster had no name or obvious connection to the Seven- the stage play came out before the launch of the ReUniverse mobile game and he wasn't in the 1995 manga where a lot of the other expanded story elements are from (such as the threat of hive queen being what prompted the heroes to develop and use absorption magic in the first place).

[AliceShiki]

Originally posted by TheGTF:

The "Memories of the Seven" are mainly taken from the Romancing SaGa 2 stage play from 2018, "SaGa THE STAGE: Return of the Seven". It's also iirc where Sagzaar actually gets his name because the NPC that explains about how he created the dimension magic used to start all of this mess in original game and remaster had no name or obvious connection to the Seven- the stage play came out before the launch of the ReUniverse mobile game and he wasn't in the 1995 manga where a lot of the other expanded story elements are from (such as the threat of hive queen being what prompted the heroes to develop and use absorption magic in the first place).

I'm aware. I read the translated script of the Stage Play some years back.

I need to get to reading the manga one day, but I don't remember if anyone ever translated it. I should look it up later.