Subier first Form?

[Meldor]

Hi all,

is the trigger know, how to get Subier 1st form?
I've beaten the game three times now, and always get his second one.

I saw a few people about triggers, but they seem to be on the older versions.

I am not sure if I have to (maybe) do
-Corsair first
-Trigger Timeskip with 250+ battles.
-Garond rebellion

This I am not sure
-Trigger two-three skips but below 19 generations for sunken Ship?
-Trigger Timeskip for sunken Ship and fight Subier in Frozen Lake?

I did fight Subier in frozen Lake 2times, both times his second form, and one with Narwahl alive and one without.

It bugs me that my ennemy Lg is not complete.

Does someone know?
Thanks

[AliceShiki]

If Narwhal is dead, Subier is always on 2nd form.

If 19+ Hiraga Generations have passed since you cleared Garon's Coup, then Subier is on 2nd form.

If you already killed 4 heroes, all remaining heroes will be on their 2nd form.

Those are all the triggers related to Subier's 2nd form.

So... To fight 1st form you essentially need to keep Narwhal Alive; Beat Subier shortly after Sunken Ship is Triggered; Have Subier be one of the first 4 heroes you kill.

That's basically it. You probably just left Subier as one of you last few heroes in your run where you kept Narwhal alive. Just try killing him earlier and you shouldn't have issues.

[Meldor]

Yessir I did manage to fight him as first emperor in his first form.
Not on the sunken ship, but at the frozen lake. So I guess I did not wait enough generation for this event to trigger,

Funnily enough, I think I misunderstood the blogspot where they say that between 48-250 fights, the years past are the battles.
But I had two timeskips with 160 battles, and both of them advanced 210 years.
So I suppose it is always battles [48;250] + 50 years

Thanks for the help brother

[AliceShiki]

The formula for timeskips in the blogspot isn't adapted for the Remake.

And I'm not sure if it wasn't even right for the Remaster. I remember it feeling off back when I was playing it.

Not a "brother", btw.