How to make the most out of an emperor/empress

[nekohybrid2017]

What would be the most number of scenarios one can complete in a generation? I know the only way to do this is to avoid as many battles as possible, only fighting boss battles (naturally this is only possible in a New Game +). Since I saw it was possible for Gerard to do the Cumberland quest.

[unskilled-]

Your Battle Count is a tertiary counter to determine whether you time-skip or not. Almost like a tie-breaker when figuring out if you meet the requirements.

What Battle Count really does is determine the number of years you skip during the time-skip, which determines how many generations have passed (every 32 years is a generation so 108 years passed would be 3 generations rounded down), which is used for quest triggers that happen in the territory you own.

You can generally do roughly 2-3 "side" scenarios and one or two "story" scenario depending on whether you win/lose the BC tie-breaker.

So I guess for Gerard to do Cumberland quest he would either need to skip Goblin King sidequest, skip Thief quest, skip Martial Artist quest and hit Canal Fort before doing Cumberland or simply just go to Cumberland before doing any of those.

[nekohybrid2017]

Originally posted by unskilled-:

Your Battle Count is a tertiary counter to determine whether you time-skip or not. Almost like a tie-breaker when figuring out if you meet the requirements.

What Battle Count really does is determine the number of years you skip during the time-skip, which determines how many generations have passed (every 32 years is a generation so 108 years passed would be 3 generations rounded down), which is used for quest triggers that happen in the territory you own.

You can generally do roughly 2-3 "side" scenarios and one or two "story" scenario depending on whether you win/lose the BC tie-breaker.

So I guess for Gerard to do Cumberland quest he would either need to skip Goblin King sidequest, skip Thief quest, skip Martial Artist quest and hit Canal Fort before doing Cumberland or simply just go to Cumberland before doing any of those.

I ask because when I played the remaster, I tried to speedrun it by avoiding all fights. Earliest I got to the final emperor/empress was year 1524.

[unskilled-]

Ah yeah, I'm 1779 with my final Emperor. Last two Emperors only had 110 year time skip total vs Gerard and his 108 year time skip, lol.

[Akameka]

each quest give points, some more than others. Once you exceed 8 points, game check your battle count when you finish most capture territory quest and reduce the threshold depending on how much you fought in that generation. At 15 points, no matter how much you fought, next capture will trigger time-skip.

If you really want to push your first gens to the futher you can, you can unlock the rest of the map by capturing the Mines and crossing with the boat toward atlantica, Then avoid to finish the capture quest and only do side quests available at that point of the story. Quest that do not trigger capture still gives a few points, but won't check for generation change.

That was how the remaster and OG worked, but from what I've seen it still works roughly the same. However, some elements might be slightly different. Fortress canal is supposed to give 8 points, which immediately place you in the potential time skip range, yet last time I tried, I literally did only that quest and fought like 20 times, yet it trigerred a time skip at the end. So fortress might now be hardcoded to trigger time skip just like the dancer end of the mermaid quest does.

[nekohybrid2017]

Originally posted by Akameka:

each quest give points, some more than others. Once you exceed 8 points, game check your battle count when you finish most capture territory quest and reduce the threshold depending on how much you fought in that generation. At 15 points, no matter how much you fought, next capture will trigger time-skip.

If you really want to push your first gens to the futher you can, you can unlock the rest of the map by capturing the Mines and crossing with the boat toward atlantica, Then avoid to finish the capture quest and only do side quests available at that point of the story. Quest that do not trigger capture still gives a few points, but won't check for generation change.

That was how the remaster and OG worked, but from what I've seen it still works roughly the same. However, some elements might be slightly different. Fortress canal is supposed to give 8 points, which immediately place you in the potential time skip range, yet last time I tried, I literally did only that quest and fought like 20 times, yet it trigerred a time skip at the end. So fortress might now be hardcoded to trigger time skip just like the dancer end of the mermaid quest does.

Is there a chart on what quests give how many points?

[nekohybrid2017]

Originally posted by unskilled-:

Your Battle Count is a tertiary counter to determine whether you time-skip or not. Almost like a tie-breaker when figuring out if you meet the requirements.

What Battle Count really does is determine the number of years you skip during the time-skip, which determines how many generations have passed (every 32 years is a generation so 108 years passed would be 3 generations rounded down), which is used for quest triggers that happen in the territory you own.

You can generally do roughly 2-3 "side" scenarios and one or two "story" scenario depending on whether you win/lose the BC tie-breaker.

So I guess for Gerard to do Cumberland quest he would either need to skip Goblin King sidequest, skip Thief quest, skip Martial Artist quest and hit Canal Fort before doing Cumberland or simply just go to Cumberland before doing any of those.

Actually it’s impossible to do Cumberland as long as the canal fortress is around.

[BDtetra]

255 years is the MAX time skip (achieved at 255 battle count).
A common completionist run in the original involved getting to year 4000 by maxing out the battle count.

This requires you to hit the Time Skip on every single possible Time Skip Event (aka 字幕イベント/"Subtitle Event"), which in this game are the things that happen after beating certain quests where there's black background and text on the bottom. There are a total of 16 different events like these in the game, and out of them only 12 are possible to hit at max in a single playthrough, and the "4000 Year Route" requires you to do every single one of them (and some in a very specific order).

year 1000 + (255 * 12) = 4060.

The routing is actually a lot more complicated than simply just doing 255 battles and then doing quests, due to some events being missable depending on the order and some other finnicky reasons. There's probably an english guide somewhere but the main people that do this are the JP community so better luck translating those, there are plenty of resources out there.

Some things to note are the differences between the original and the Remake, such as Dandarg being in the cave early on without roaming the world. You should not beat him here since this battle never causes a time skip, only the second fight with him has the possibility to do so. Also you are forced to do the Mermaid quest line (and its Forced Time Skip) before the Sunken Ship event spawns. There are other differences but those are some of the notable ones.

[Evan_2Echoes]

if you go here:
https://romancing-saga-2.blogspot.com/p/gameplay.html#when

This gives you the actual formula and points for each event, and which ones trigger a timeskip. That page also has a "Fastest Emperor" walkthrough, though it's for the original game and first remaster instead of the Remake. The math still checks out though.

[Sigs]

Originally posted by Evan_2Echoes:

if you go here:
https://romancing-saga-2.blogspot.com/p/gameplay.html#when

This gives you the actual formula and points for each event, and which ones trigger a timeskip. That page also has a "Fastest Emperor" walkthrough, though it's for the original game and first remaster instead of the Remake. The math still checks out though.

Seconding this link-- there's a large amount of misinformation out there somehow. We don't know if the formulas in the remaster and original are the same in this one 100% yet, but it seems pretty close.

[Sigs]

Originally posted by nekohybrid2017:

Actually it’s impossible to do Cumberland as long as the canal fortress is around.

? why do you think this. I'm pretty sure several people here have just gone south around to Topa and cleared Cumberland.

*edit- Instead of us all referencing things randomly, if we want to answer the question we need a little clarification specifically for Gerard. When does Leon's generation end? Is it at the fake emperor choice when Leon dies, or is it after Kzinissie is killed and '1 year passes'? I'm pretty sure

I'm playing around on and off trying to get Gerard into the full open world in NG. I don't think NG+ would be necessary to have one emperor 'do as much as possible'.

From what I'm gathering, the GBC in reference specifically to timeskips is based on the *remainder* of the total battles in the current generation divided by 16.

That means that instead of attempting to minimalize the total number of battles in the current generation, you should keep a count, and keep the remainder under your currently known points. You must keep the total number under 240 (not 255), but there should be points where the remainder will be less than (7-14). You also need to know what the default minimum is.

The 'good numbers' to end an event while you are on 7-14 points (if the formula is right) are the thing you need to know, as they are the only variable. If the EP granted by these capture/kill/quest events are accurate on this chart, then you just pick all the ones that:

1. Are only worth 1-4 EP
2. Don't force-end a generation.

Leon/Gerard frontloads a ton of 1 EP events sneakily, so you'd either want to count those as actual events and use Gerard as a base or open up as much of the world as possible with Gerard and use your second/third emperor to do as much as possible.

**Double edit-
According to this list, Gerard/Leon

Exit the Sealed Cave- 1
Clear the Watchman Nest- 1
Leon Dies- 1
Repel Goblin's Attack-1
So minimum 4, if the list is accurate

*optional* Defeat the Goblin King -1

*Optional* Defeat the Deep One in the Sewer -1
*optional* Clear Canal Fortress (8)

*Optional*, but necessary to do 'the most'- Defeat Gel Matter in F. Cloister 1
*Optional*, defeat 2nd boss in F. Cloister 1
*Optional*, battle Dragon Master (defeat both cloister fiends, then fight the martial arts nerd in a duel) -1

Conquer North Varennes (1)
Clear Gemstone Mine (1) - 4
Clear gemstone mine (2) - 0
Kill Dantarg 8
Defeat East Oubliette Boss 1

These last five confuse me, and I don't think the list is 100% accurate. It may not even hold all of the known events.

Dantarg is the initial boss of East Oubliette, and can be killed by Gerard's team without forcing a gen skip. He's also potentially the boss of south oubliette, where the boss is listed as 4 points, not 8. Can we assume that his defeat is only worth the lower point total in the Oubliettes?