Is there a way to know who will get hit?

[Pexaan]

is there a way to manipulate enemy's target focus? like is guarding as a tank increase chance of getting hit or similar mechanic? or is there a way to know who will get hit or any clue on who enemy is gonna target?

[Chester]

Formations are your best bet for that. Almost every formation has a position or two that will say "easier to target" and usually a spot or two that will say "harder to target." There's no formation that will have a unit targeted 100% of the time (and for AOE attacks it may hit people behind them or in the same row) but that's how you can manipulate attack targeting. Each formation has a different percentage that the "easier to target" position will be targeted as (40% of the time, 60% of the time, etc.), though those percentages aren't available to see in the game (though you'll start to get a sense for which formations are higher as you play long enough). There are also several abilities you'll eventually get which will increase/decrease a unit's attack percentage.

[Pexaan]

Originally posted by Chester:

Formations are your best bet for that. Almost every formation has a position or two that will say "easier to target" and usually a spot or two that will say "harder to target." There's no formation that will have a unit targeted 100% of the time (and for AOE attacks it may hit people behind them or in the same row) but that's how you can manipulate attack targeting. Each formation has a different percentage that the "easier to target" position will be targeted as (40% of the time, 60% of the time, etc.), though those percentages aren't available to see in the game (though you'll start to get a sense for which formations are higher as you play long enough). There are also several abilities you'll eventually get which will increase/decrease a unit's attack percentage.

ty like always for the generous answers :D

[AliceShiki]

@chester Do you have the numbers on the percentages for each formation, btw?

I've been trying to find a datamine with the percentages of the formations in the remake, but so far I found nothing (maybe I should try learning how to datamine myself... >.>)... I do know the percentages of the remaster, but I dunno if they were changed in the remake, and that data wouldn't help me with the new formations anyways.

For the record, I want it because I'm planning on making a guide, so I need the specific info to put there.

[Chester]

I've heard that there is a full guide out in Japanese, which breaks down a lot of information like that (a physical copy that could be purchased), though I can't confirm that myself or if it has been scanned yet (nor has my novice googling in Japanese returned anything useful). Short of datamining that would be your best bet at the moment for finding that information (assuming I'm not just spreading random rumors).

[AliceShiki]

Thanks! I don't think my terrible Japanese googling skills will be able to help me either, so... Guess I'll just have to try searching Japanese wikis from time to time and see if they put the info there, so that I can copy it~

[AliceShiki]

So, I remembered I had seen a Japanese wiki get linked to me some weeks back with some information, and I decided to try digging into it to see if I found anything.

On the bad side, they don't have the percentages of the formations.

On the plus side... I looked at the comments of the formations page ( https://kamikouryaku.com/romancingsaga2r/?%E9%99%A3%E5%BD%A2 ) and saw someone list out specific percentages... So they do either have a book with the percentages or they got the info from a datamine.

So the info is out there, and someone who uses this wiki already knows the specific percentages... I think there is a chance it might be edited into the wiki in the near future, and then I just need to copy it from them.

[Chester]

Heheh, nice. English, Japanese, Moon Runes, google sleuths will not be stopped!

[Pexaan]

Originally posted by AliceShiki:

Thanks! I don't think my terrible Japanese googling skills will be able to help me either, so... Guess I'll just have to try searching Japanese wikis from time to time and see if they put the info there, so that I can copy it~

https://romancing-saga-2.blogspot.com/p/gameplay.html#formations
hope this helps , it's from the original game not sure if it's still good but there is a list of formations with % target chance.

Edit: after reading those % either i am unlucky with my 1 digit percentage procs or the numbers changed with the remake.

[Chester]

I've been told certain mechanics have been tweaked with the remake. That blog is a tremendous resource (though I wouldn't get too sucked into it on a first playthrough, it really will spoil a lot of the discovery you have in store for you), but it doesn't have anything new that's in this version, like the new formations.

The person who wrote it seems into this version though, so maybe they'll update it.

[AliceShiki]

Originally posted by Pexaan:

https://romancing-saga-2.blogspot.com/p/gameplay.html#formations
hope this helps , it's from the original game not sure if it's still good but there is a list of formations with % target chance.

Edit: after reading those % either i am unlucky with my 1 digit percentage procs or the numbers changed with the remake.

As I said in my previous post, I'm already aware of the percentages for the remaster (and I'm very aware of this site. I even helped its owner improve it in a handful of spots, though the vast majority of the work was theirs), so I'm afraid this doesn't help... Thanks though.

Originally posted by Chester:

I've been told certain mechanics have been tweaked with the remake. That blog is a tremendous resource (though I wouldn't get too sucked into it on a first playthrough, it really will spoil a lot of the discovery you have in store for you), but it doesn't have anything new that's in this version, like the new formations.

The person who wrote it seems into this version though, so maybe they'll update it.

I don't think they're very interested in the remake, I'm afraid. They didn't make a single post in gamefaqs about the remake since it was released (I don't follow Reddit much, but on the handful of times I looked at reddit since this remake was released, I didn't see them there either)... I think they might not even be playing it.

[Pexaan]

Originally posted by AliceShiki:

Originally posted by Pexaan:

https://romancing-saga-2.blogspot.com/p/gameplay.html#formations
hope this helps , it's from the original game not sure if it's still good but there is a list of formations with % target chance.

Edit: after reading those % either i am unlucky with my 1 digit percentage procs or the numbers changed with the remake.

As I said in my previous post, I'm already aware of the percentages for the remaster (and I'm very aware of this site. I even helped its owner improve it in a handful of spots, though the vast majority of the work was theirs), so I'm afraid this doesn't help... Thanks though.

Originally posted by Chester:

I've been told certain mechanics have been tweaked with the remake. That blog is a tremendous resource (though I wouldn't get too sucked into it on a first playthrough, it really will spoil a lot of the discovery you have in store for you), but it doesn't have anything new that's in this version, like the new formations.

The person who wrote it seems into this version though, so maybe they'll update it.

I don't think they're very interested in the remake, I'm afraid. They didn't make a single post in gamefaqs about the remake since it was released (I don't follow Reddit much, but on the handful of times I looked at reddit since this remake was released, I didn't see them there either)... I think they might not even be playing it.

oh sorry i didn't know u knew about the original percentages, also ty for contributing to the guide, it has been an incredible resource while playing this game.

[Pexaan]

Originally posted by Chester:

I've been told certain mechanics have been tweaked with the remake. That blog is a tremendous resource (though I wouldn't get too sucked into it on a first playthrough, it really will spoil a lot of the discovery you have in store for you), but it doesn't have anything new that's in this version, like the new formations.

The person who wrote it seems into this version though, so maybe they'll update it.

Too late, I am already drowned in that guide haha. Though to be honest i like knowing info like that for some reason it makes it more enjoyable for me to know the puzzle pieces. I don't like looking up "how to beat X Boss" but i like knowing the pieces i have at my arsenal and from that the fun part comes in how I am going to utilize that info in solving the obstacle in front of me.

[AliceShiki]

A person in gamefaqs managed to send me the datamined info on the formations!

https://pastebin.com/buw2aDbu
https://pastebin.com/yswp6kZ3
https://pastebin.com/JUWUcNu1

It was split in 3 due to pastebin limits.

And uhn... It's a bit hard to parse, and I think I might struggle a bit with figuring out which unit is which for the Remake-unique formations when thinking about the positions and what bonuses they get, but... Yeah, info gotten! \(^^)/

[Chester]

Heheh, nice! You've got a handle on more info than 99% of the current player base. And welcome to the world of datamining - trawling through piles of lists and numbers, trying to figure out how they make sense (some of the dataminers responsible for this may be a resource to decoding what those position numbers relate to... though, in this case there's a good chance they only speak Japanese!). Good luck on your guide!

[AliceShiki]

Luckily enough, a lot of things seem to be mirrored in the Remake (for example, Imperial Cross has 2 units with 12% chance of being hit, instead of one with 13% and one with 11% like we had in the original), so I'm not having any trouble figuring out which percentages are for which units so far... I imagine I might have issues with a formation like WItch's Cap, but I guess I'll find out when I get to that one. Maybe it's mirrored too and I won't have any issues anyways~

My main issue right now is actually with the formulas... We get stuff like SPD+1, and I assume it works the same as the original, which is a +25% speed boost, but I can't be certain without the formula... Still, I'm working with that assumption, since I think it's safe to assume it was unchanged.

But then we have stuff like... A 10 in Melee Attack bonus... I dunno if that's a flat +10 or a +10%... I'm assuming it's 10%, but I have no way of verifying it.

I tried contacting the person that sent me the datamine, but I got no answer so far, so I think they don't have the formulas for that either.

I tried checking the comments of the Japanese wiki on that, but nobody seems to be talking about it either, so... I might need to use the power of google translate to write out a comment in Japanese in the Japanese wiki to ask for help, and hope that Google Translate gets something readable enough that the folks in the wiki can understand to actually help me out.

But yeah, I'm happy that I have these numbers available at least! I can do a lot with that! Pretty happy to have this to work with!

And thanks! Gonna keep on doing my best! Will probably take some months until I'm done, but hopefully I can at least release all maps (though without the yellow dots listed at the moment, since I'll work on noting them down in my next run) and formations of the game in a few weeks. That will be nice~