If not Democracy 3, then what?

[zennerless]

Some of the comments in criticism and defense of Democracy 3 seem to beg the question, "Compared to what?" In other words the discussions of the game's strengths and weaknesses has been interesting to read, but it could still be the best game of this type on the market or ever made. On the other hand it could compare poorly to several other currently available games no matter how true the comments in its defense may be. So if not Democracy 3, then what games are better at giving the player a detailed model of this type?

[Ninehundred]

Actualy, none, the unique game who is the most similar to this, is called Rulers of Nations and trust me its a terribad one compared to Democracy 3. Higly buged, instable during long games, flawless econ, diplomacy, policies etc..

On this niche type of games only 2 games for me have succed along with Democracy but those 2 games are way more focused on the warfares parts than the politics ones like Democracy, those 2 games are Superpowers 2 and Supreme Ruler 2020 (also Cold War).

[Farsight]

The Geo Political Simulator Series is is considered the highest standard of the Political Simulator Genre. If you're looking for a Political Simulator and you haven't tried it yet, then it comes highly recommended. Once you've played Geo Political Simulator, it becomes the golden standard to which you hold all other Political Simulators to. Democracy 3 is a childs sandbox compared to great vast and unforgiving desert that is the Geo Political Simulator.

[Ninehundred]

Lol you sure you have ever played any Geo Political Simulator???

Just an hint "Rulers of Nation" that terrible game that i refered before is a part of this serie...

[Ninehundred]

Its made by a french company Eversim and its no near a gold standard LOL

All their ratings from the biggest French videogame site jeuxvideo.com

http://www.jeuxvideo.com/articles/0000/00007454-mission-president-geopolitical-simulator-test.htm
http://www.jeuxvideo.com/articles/0001/00013531-rulers-of-nations-geo-political-simulator-2-test.htm
http://www.jeuxvideo.com/articles/0001/00018526-masters-of-the-world-geo-political-simulator-3-test.htm

For the ppl passing there, use google tanslator and have some fun reading the reviews.

3/20
7/20
9/20

[Farsight]

Messaggio originale di Ninehundred:

Lol you sure you have ever played any Geo Political Simulator???

Just an hint "Rulers of Nation" that terrible game that i refered before is a part of this serie...

Have you?

All three of the Geo Political Simulators were brilliant masterpieces that helped redefine the Political Simulation Genre. That encludes the Geo Political Simulator 2 "Rulers of Nations" of which I spent a great deal of time playing and mastering it.

[zennerless]

Thanks for the comments. They helped. =)

[Lavenders2]

Messaggio originale di Farsight:

Messaggio originale di Ninehundred:

Lol you sure you have ever played any Geo Political Simulator???

Just an hint "Rulers of Nation" that terrible game that i refered before is a part of this serie...

Have you?

All three of the Geo Political Simulators were brilliant masterpieces that helped redefine the Political Simulation Genre. That encludes the Geo Political Simulator 2 "Rulers of Nations" of which I spent a great deal of time playing and mastering it.

I don't think this is the truth, because reviews for the 3 games in the series have been slightly above average at best.

IGN gave the first game a 5/10:
http://au.ign.com/articles/2008/08/05/geo-political-simulator-review
IGN says that while the game is ambitious and tries to do a lot of things, it ends up being "an ambitious mess of a game." The gameplay category got rated a 5.5/10, stating "There are interesting ideas at work here, but it can be overwhelming and confusing at times."
As did thunderbolt:
http://www.thunderboltgames.com/review/geo-political-simulator
Thunderbolt goes into detail about the confusing mess of menus and "spreadsheets" that plague the game like IGN did, then (as a counter argument of somewhat to Farsight) compares this to the streamlined Democracy 2, stating "Although lightweight in comparison to core gameplay, each decision has its potential pitfalls outlined from the start."
According to Gamefaqs:
http://www.gamefaqs.com/pc/954792-geo-political-simulator/critic
Total PC gaming also gave the game a 5/10, but that site doesn't seem to exist anymore

Next we have the second game, Rulers of Nations.
Strategy Informer gave this a 6.5/10:
http://www.strategyinformer.com/pc/rulersofnationsgeopolitcalsimulator2/1314/review.html
Strategy informer point out that the second game has the same identical flaw to the first game, in that it bombards you with information and menus in a user interface that "Frequently stumbles under the sheer weight of information the game attempts to offer you, Rulers of Nations is made immensely more difficult than it needs to be"
Due to the fact that this game is incredibly niche, I can't seem to find other reviews

And finally the third game, Masters of the World:
It is hard to find good reviews for the game, but some users on metacritic have given a good idea: http://www.metacritic.com/game/pc/masters-of-the-world-geopolitcal-simulator-3
The highest scoring review by users is a 7/10, written by Willsy, stating that the game is decent (while providing no evidence whatsoever to say why) and then talks about how the game is riddled with quite a few bugs but that its okay cause the development team is small, and they decided to make a niche game and not something that could have given them lots more money
The next highest is a 4/10 by cakrit, saying that he loved Democracy 2 and wanted to support more games like it, after having bought the second game in the Geo series, Rulers of Nations. He says that "I did expect certain infantile mistakes to have been resolved by now. I should have known better." He goes on to mention about the abhorrent feedback the game presents you with and then claims that the simulation is broken, saying "The simulation engine is so deeply faulted, that it's not really worth trying to figure out what they got right and what they got wrong. At the end, you feel that the reason you never get any advice on the actions you are considering, is that even the game creators have no clue as to what is actually going to happen."
The final review is by kornel, giving the game a 0/10, comparing the game to Europa Universalis 3 and saying it was a better game in terms of gameplay and graphics. His review also seems to lack some actual reasons as to why the game sucks.

These are cold hard facts ripped straight from the internet. While still opinions, it seems the opinion of the 3 games is relatively consistent across the board; the games are all decent simulators with badly designed interfaces and poor feedback, which lets the games down. I find it hard to call these masterpieces when not a single other person I can find has said even something remotely similar. Heck, I'm still looking for something better than "It's a decent game," but nobody seems to think that this is the case.

[PiTCHBLaCK]

Masters of the World is by far the most robust one but It can be so complex, I Have it and play it sometimes. Nothing like being the leader of Cuba and trying to get nuclear weapons. Pretty cool.

[PiTCHBLaCK]

Also most of the Reviews of Geo-Simulator/Masters of the World(same game) are looking at Complex/Fun/Realism factors. In Masters of the World it does not follow a strict real world guide on doing things. For example, If I were president of the U.S I can be in charge of practically everything!, There is no State laws for example...only National laws so this is probaly why reviews are so poor of this game. Also It's complex, so many different parts. But over all It's the closest thing You'll get to a Real World Simulator.

[Ninehundred]

Back, after roaming around on others games.

Messaggio originale di Farsight:

Have you?

Sure, unlike you, who lies around and says alot of bs, i rly bought and played the game back in the time and i still have my activation mail. ;)

http://image.noelshack.com/fichiers/2013/43/1382683821-rulers-of-nations.jpg

Like we says in France: "Il faut tourner sept fois sa langue dans sa bouche avant de parler"

Messaggio originale di Lavenders2:

The next highest is a 4/10 by cakrit, saying that he loved Democracy 2 and wanted to support more games like it, after having bought the second game in the Geo series, Rulers of Nations. He says that "I did expect certain infantile mistakes to have been resolved by now. I should have known better." He goes on to mention about the abhorrent feedback the game presents you with and then claims that the simulation is broken, saying "The simulation engine is so deeply faulted, that it's not really worth trying to figure out what they got right and what they got wrong. At the end, you feel that the reason you never get any advice on the actions you are considering, is that even the game creators have no clue as to what is actually going to happen."

Now this is accurate.

@OneFlaw good review but you forgot to said that the game is actually cripled with bugs and unstable on long parties that make the game barely playable, when in democracy at least its very stable and actualy still don't have seen any bugs so far.

Like i said on my first post if we are looking on good Geopolitical games that rly works there are only Superpowers 2 (bit old but still working good and fun to play) and the Supreme Ruller franchise along with the Democracy one.

[PiTCHBLaCK]

Messaggio originale di Ninehundred:

Back, after roaming around on others games.



@OneFlaw good review but you forgot to said that the game is actually cripled with bugs and unstable on long parties that make the game barely playable, when in democracy at least its very stable and actualy still don't have seen any bugs so far.

Like i said on my first post if we are looking on good Geopolitical games that rly works there are only Superpowers 2 (bit old but still working good and fun to play) and the Supreme Ruller franchise along with the Democracy one.

Never said it was not Buggy, It has far more moving Variables and parts then any other Geo-Political game by far. It's also based off of real life, It's the closest you'll get to a Real Political simulator. It does need to be adjusted a bit though and some of the complexity needs to go. This game here is more then likely far easier then Masters of the World.

[remi]

*no one answered his question*

Democracy 3 is a Government Simulation Game. Having said that, here is a Wikipedia Article on Government Simulation Games: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Government_simulation_game

But, if you want to know pc games, here's the list presented on the article:

List of government simulation games[edit]

4X
Age of Empires I
Age of Empires II
Age of Empires III
Balance of Power
Bandit Kings of Ancient China
Civilization
Civilization II
Civilization III
Civilization IV
Civilization V
Civilization Revolution
Commander in Chief
Conflict: Middle East Political Simulator
Crisis in the Kremlin
Crusader Kings II
Cyber Nations
CyberJudas
DEFCON (video game)
Destiny of an Emperor
Diplomacy
Democracy
Europa Universalis III
Europa Universalis IV
Floor 13
Galactic Civilizations II
Galava
Hearts of Iron
Hearts of Iron II
Hearts of Iron III
Hidden Agenda
Jennifer Government: NationStates
Nobunaga's Ambition
Romance of the Three Kingdoms
Politics UK
Power Politics
Power UK
President Elect
President Forever 2008 + Primaries
Republic: The Revolution
Rise of Nations
Rulers of Nations
SimCity
SimCity 2000
SimCity 3000
SimCity 4
Sengoku
Shadow President
SuperPower
SuperPower 2
Supreme Ruler 2010
Supreme Ruler 2020
Supreme Ruler Cold War
The Political Machine
The Political Machine 2008
The Political Machine 2012
Total War: Shogun
Total War: Medieval
Total War: Rome
Total War: Medieval II
Total War: Empire
Total War: Napoleon
Total War: Shogun 2
Total War: Rome II
Tropico
Tropico 2
Tropico 3
Tropico 4
Twilight Struggle
United States Government Simulator
Victoria
Victoria II
Virtual America

Some of theese may not be similar to Democracy 3, but it's a standard line of comparison to othe Government Simulation Games.

[nmerange]

How cool would it be if you could combine the policy-making of Democracy with the city-building and planning of sim city, with the competition between nations and resource geography of Civilisation?

[ZeroTheHero]

Has no one here heard of fate of the world.If you like Democracy 3 then this will rock your boat.

[Kingleazard YT]

Maybe you should try Fate of the World, more about climatic changes, you are the ruler of the world and you have to fight versus climatic changes, through economic, social policies. A bit hard to master, far more difficult than Democracy 3