Welkin Challenge 5

[Nihil]

Okay I give up does anyone actually have any tips or tricks on how to beat a Panther with a Welkin. It doesn't stagger from your melee because of its shield and that shield and the fact Panther is purely melee negates 2 parts of your kit leaving you with the box and your weapons which are far clunkier and ineffective compared to the Panther's in the circumstances.

Things I have tried:
- Staying on the ground at the start. The panther jumps up immediately off screen in the first second, plunges down onto me staggering me immediately, then charges straight after which you cannot escape when it connects and takes off 50% of my hp instantly.

- I jump up straight away. 50/50 if the Panther chooses to stay on the ground or jumps up with me.
- If the Panther stays on the ground and I slam downwards it isn't staggered because of its shield and then it jumps up into orbit off screen, plunges down again to stagger me, and charges me across the map for 50% of hp again. If I shoot instead it jumps up to charge me.
- If the Panther jumps and I slam down it doesn't stagger or get knocked down because of its shield it then plunges down, staggers me, charges me across the map for 50% of hp. Shooting it is pointless at point blank just gives it a moment to charge me across the map

- Try to catch it in the box. This has been effectively POINTLESS. The panther either floats around at the top of the box waiting for it to end or immediately charges me into the wall of my own box halving my hp. All while its shield prevents the staggering your drones should be doing and Welkin cannot knock it down.

- Spin to win. Welkin's spin is great but Panther spends 50% of its time attacking you and the other 50% airborne. You CAN initiate a spin while flying but this drops immediately to the ground again making it useless against it since its shield prevents stagger and thus cannot be brought down with you.

- Use Jamming smoke ejectors. Shields completely negate this and the Panther lives with a shield on from the second the challenge starts.

- Use the Defense Field. Absolutely useless. Why does a Brawler have a shield which DOES NOT parry melee attacks OR stop melee attacks going through to your hp. I get its purpose to stop ranged attacks while you charge in but it is beyond useless here vs the panther.

- Shoot it to break the shield. In theory this is sound. The Panther's all over shield is only 26,000 while your gun deals 10,000 per shot but shooting it seems to barely dent the shield by about 15% of its total strength. My guess is it possibly is using its shield booster straight after impact but it is hard to tell. Doesn't help that the Panther, being only melee capable, does not give you an opportunity to shoot reliably as it invades your personal space.

[Ваймон]

No way, dude. She keeps you on target all the time. It also apparently has no energy consumption. Simply put, the dog who came up with it and did it didn't worry about it at all.

[Althotas Thoth Hermes]

Originally posted by Nihil:

- Shoot it to break the shield. In theory this is sound. The Panther's all over shield is only 26,000 while your gun deals 10,000 per shot but shooting it seems to barely dent the shield by about 15% of its total strength. My guess is it possibly is using its shield booster straight after impact but it is hard to tell. Doesn't help that the Panther, being only melee capable, does not give you an opportunity to shoot reliably as it invades your personal space.

I noticed in the earlier challenge where you need to kill 6 Falcons that shooting them with the Howitzer doesn't even dent their Fluid Armor. I'm quite sure the Challenge alters it so that their Fluid Armor is ridiculously high and you can only kill them through melee/direct HP damage. I am stuck on this Panther fight too.

[KillerFrogs]

So, one of the things I remember is that the spin-to-win attack for Welkin also counts as a parry mechanic and I remember doing that a fair amount of times.

I managed to complete it though I don't remember how I did so clearly, but I also remember it being brutal so even if you find an answer it'll be tough.

[KZ]

The worst part is that it input reads and jumps if you hold the axe for even a moment.

[HighLanderPony]

Look it up on YT. These are jank af.

[lost.snail]

panther also hard counters welkin because after the initial combo, they can jump up and do an unparryable downstrike, which cannot be punished by welkin's spin. welkin is a team fighter, and panther is an assassin.

i know this is about the challenge, but if you ever get perfect combo'd by a panther while playing welkin in matchmaking (master/grandmaster/champion rank), try and add that player to your friend's list after the match is over. you can't, because its a bot thats reading your inputs.

[FAT WANZER]

use the flashbang man

[KillerFrogs]

ok, went back and completed this challenge about 5 times a bit ago, wasn't super consistent but it was possible.

First of all, tank the jump slashes and immeaditely boost out of the stagger, sometimes you can avoid the panther using the spear and if you're really lucky you'll get a parry out of that moment.

if the panther gives you any sort of distance, place the cube to regain your stamina and shoot at it just because there's not much else to do.

If you do get hit by the spear you can almost always get a parry off if you hold the attack button and boost out of the stagger ASAP.

You roughly need about 2 parries to take out about 90% of the HP and depending on how the parry moments play out while you spin on them that remaining HP might be gone, if not just close the distance with normal attacks (again assuming it's really low on HP). Yes, most of my damage came from the spin attack.

Hope this helps and good luck.

[lost.snail]

Originally posted by KillerFrogs:

ok, went back and completed this challenge

...

Yes, most of my damage came from the spin attack.

how are you spinning on him at all if he just keeps refreshing his energy, jumping up, and using unparryable downstrike to interrupt your spin? anytime i catch panther in the cage, he just flies from corner to corner. if i fly up to him to fight him in mid air, i get parried or drilled

[KillerFrogs]

Originally posted by lost.snail:

Originally posted by KillerFrogs:

ok, went back and completed this challenge

...

Yes, most of my damage came from the spin attack.

how are you spinning on him at all if he just keeps refreshing his energy, jumping up, and using unparryable downstrike to interrupt your spin? anytime i catch panther in the cage, he just flies from corner to corner. if i fly up to him to fight him in mid air, i get parried or drilled

oh the spin does get interrupted from the jump slash, you just need to boost out of the stagger and get back to spinning. It's very much possible to get right back into the spin before the panther does any follow-up that is not the spear. Not every attempt at this will result in a stagger, not sure how to handle the situation correctly to achieve that consistency.

I also don't use the cage offensively unless I see the panther visibly stagger but that isn't as useful as having the cage be a method of regaining stamina imo.

[lost.snail]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3435467716

Figured it out.

[Niiyo]

Originally posted by lost.snail:

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3435467716

Figured it out.

AWESOME !!!! WORKING VERY WELL. THANK YOU SIIR

[BrxGalon]

Wow, it really helped a lot. I just needed to fly to the corner and keep flying while hitting the heavy howitzer. Thanks a lot.

Originally posted by Niiyo:

Originally posted by lost.snail:

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3435467716

Figured it out.

AWESOME !!!! WORKING VERY WELL. THANK YOU SIIR

Originally posted by lost.snail:

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3435467716

Figured it out.

[SemkiPivo]

Keep distance, deplete Panther's overshield with your Howitzer and, once the shield is down, beat the ♥♥♥♥ out of her.

[Eduard Laser]

Originally posted by SemkiPivo:

Keep distance, deplete Panther's overshield with your Howitzer and, once the shield is down, beat the ♥♥♥♥ out of Panther.

this is the honest way. u delete him in 1 combo bc u can stagger him without his shield. and thats what u meant to learn in this challenge