Mecha BREAK
Anti-Cheat kills Linux Play
Would like to play but cannot. There are alternatives to kernel level anti-cheat, which is a bad practice anyway Linux aside.
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Автор сообщения: ★猫★
Автор сообщения: ♡❀Eden❀♡
So your Linux is "so good" that it can't even make a simple thing like living on a same drive with Windows?
Opposite actually. The Windows installer will make you erase Linux. When you're installing Linux on an already Windows system Linux can create a dual boot that allows you to run both, that's how I currently run both but if you're running pure Linux, you're SoL because the Windows installer is designed to take over the whole system.
Now let's be realistic in here, if you can install Windows, then install Linux after, why you haven't done so at first place instead of complaining to someone else?
Автор сообщения: ♡❀Eden❀♡
Автор сообщения: ★猫★
Opposite actually. The Windows installer will make you erase Linux. When you're installing Linux on an already Windows system Linux can create a dual boot that allows you to run both, that's how I currently run both but if you're running pure Linux, you're SoL because the Windows installer is designed to take over the whole system.
Now let's be realistic in here, if you can install Windows, then install Linux after, why you haven't done so at first place instead of complaining to someone else?
You're the one not being realistic.. You ever think the people "complaining" are trying to get a message through to the devs? The devs can fix this but they're not going to if nobody speaks up about it.
"Should've installed Windows first" isn't the way to go about this. That isn't anymore "realistic" than installing Linux first is and people shouldn't have to.
There's other anti-cheat solutions that don't run on kernel that they could go with, there's also server side anti-cheat which does work it's just a lot harder to do. This isn't just an issue about Windows vs Linux and "which is better", it's an issue of both compatibility and security. The fact that you're running Windows 11 tells me everything I need to know about you anyway.
Quit talking, go do research.
Seems asking to be realistic was to much to ask for. Have anyone in history changed anti-cheat completely because a player were 'trying to get a message through to the devs' ?
Yes, I'm not running windows server 2003. I won't do a research because you've already done it and that is everything you can say in here (I'm not impressed).
Автор сообщения: ★猫★
Автор сообщения: Rhila
I wish they fix it for you 🤞

But if you can use Windows, it's the best for gaming, I know it's not the best in terms of security and other things, but for gaming it's #1 and Linux for gaming is the worst.
You can't just "install Windows" like you people are saying, you do realize to install Windows you're either going to need another hard drive or to wipe the system clean losing all of your data right?
Windows is actually worse for games now a days, a game I get 40FPS consistently on Windows will easily reach my full 144FPS on Linux, the only reason "Windows was the best" is because it was the only option. All the games were made specifically for Windows because Windows was the only system that had users. That only happened because Microsoft paid a huge amount of money to keep Windows in their stores and other operating systems out.

I meant to say try using Windows for gaming if you can, but if you can't, I feel sorry for you and hope things get better in the future.

If Linux can run one game better than Windows, that doesn't make it better for gaming, because Linux can't run many other popular games but Windows can run every game.

That's why only 2% on Steam use Linux, a very small minority, but 96% use Windows.

Yes I know there are evil reasons and that Microsoft is an evil company and I hate them, but we cannot deny the facts because of our feelings.

Linux can't run a lot of popular games, it's not future-proof, a new game you wait for and then in beta testing you can't run it on Linux.

In every Steam forum I find Linux users complaining and I feel sorry for them, many of them were fooled by Linux fans who were just lying and don't want to admit the truth.

Please don't use Linux for gaming, it's the worst, use it for real tasks that real Linux users use like security, servers, etc.
Автор сообщения: ♡❀Eden❀♡
Seems asking to be realistic was to much to ask for. Have anyone in history changed anti-cheat completely because a player were 'trying to get a message through to the devs' ?
Yes, I'm not running windows server 2003. I won't do a research because you've already done it and that is everything you can say in here (I'm not impressed).
That's the problem, you aren't being realistic.
Yes, devs for other titles have indeed changed things to allow people to play. We have kernel level anti-cheats that even run on Linux now, Easy Anti-cheat runs on Linux, Battleye runs on Linux, Genshin's in-house anti-cheat apparently works too. Marvel Rivals is running an anti-cheat that isn't a kernel level anti-cheat so Marvel Rivals runs just fine on Linux. There's many options they can do that will allow it to run at a lower level and still be protected or even allow running on Linux.
Where in the hell does "Windows Server 2003" come in here?
"I won't do research" then shut up and quit talking, you don't belong in the discussion. You're not impressed because you have an extreme bias for Windows that clouds and overrides any and all of your judgement.
Автор сообщения: Rhila
Автор сообщения: ★猫★
You can't just "install Windows" like you people are saying, you do realize to install Windows you're either going to need another hard drive or to wipe the system clean losing all of your data right?
Windows is actually worse for games now a days, a game I get 40FPS consistently on Windows will easily reach my full 144FPS on Linux, the only reason "Windows was the best" is because it was the only option. All the games were made specifically for Windows because Windows was the only system that had users. That only happened because Microsoft paid a huge amount of money to keep Windows in their stores and other operating systems out.

I meant to say try using Windows for gaming if you can, but if you can't, I feel sorry for you and hope things get better in the future.

If Linux can run one game better than Windows, that doesn't make it better for gaming, because Linux can't run many other popular games but Windows can run every game.

That's why only 2% on Steam use Linux, a very small minority, but 96% use Windows.

Yes I know there are evil reasons and that Microsoft is an evil company and I hate them, but we cannot deny the facts because of our feelings.

Linux can't run a lot of popular games, it's not future-proof, a new game you wait for and then in beta testing you can't run it on Linux.

In every Steam forum I find Linux users complaining and I feel sorry for them, many of them were fooled by Linux fans who were just lying and don't want to admit the truth.

Please don't use Linux for gaming, it's the worst, use it for real tasks that real Linux users use like security, servers, etc.
And here's another moron who doesn't know what they're talking about... The userbase of Linux is growing, and rapidly at that.
The only games that do NOT run on Linux are the ones running kernel level ACs that aren't Linux compatible.
Here's something funny for you, go look at the reviews for Sims 1 and 2, the people running the game on SteamDeck (Which runs SteamOS which is Linux) and Linux are running the game with little to no problems, but on Windows? It's constantly crashing and corrupting saves. The performance is horrendously bad. Why is a game made specifically for Windows running so bad on Windows but running nearly perfectly on Linux?
It's not just one game, it's almost every game. Look at my library, you'll see the games I play most frequently, they all run fine on Linux, I've also been playing older more obscure games and they're running better on Linux too.

If you check here:
https://www.protondb.com/
70% of games run on Linux, the remaining 30% are due to anti-cheat almost always. Anti-cheat is not the game lol.

You actually ARE denying facts. You've done no actual research into this or even attempted to see if these anti-Linux claims are true, this is one of the huge problems with the mainstream, you all assume without actually testing for yourselves or researching.

MechaBREAK used to run in Linux, it only stopped running due to the new anti-cheat.

Nobody was "fooled" and we aren't lying, the truth of the matter is there's extreme misinformation and pushback against Linux for no actual real good reason. I have been running it for over 10 years, I know it's faults and flaws and majority of those have been patched up, the flaws with gaming were also patched up thanks to Proton which is being made and led by Valve, you know the company that runs Steam? The company that made the SteamDeck? The company that made a Linux operating system by the name of SteamOS?
Proton and SteamOS has worked wonders and performed miracles, the people who say Linux can't run anything are running off of outdated information that has changed in the past 7 or so years. The people complaining aren't complaining about the game, they are complaining about the anti-cheat.
Gaben himself seems to think Linux is the future and the way forward but sure, keep spreading lies and misinformation.
Отредактировано ★猫👾🌙; 21 фев в 19:13
Won't go anywher and won't 'shut up', sry. ^-^ Easy Anti-Cheat haven't stopped any cheaters in Apex Legends, like 0. No, ty. Battleye uses kernel level too - checked, that means you would complain about it anyway, right? Battleye is 3rd party software, that means the devs buys it, that means YOU pay for it. No, ty. I would rather have more protection over 'less protection and works anyway' like in Marvel Rivals.
Отредактировано ❀Eden❀; 21 фев в 19:30
Автор сообщения: ♡❀Eden❀♡
Won't go anywher and won't 'shut up', sry. ^-^ Easy Anti-Cheat haven't stopped any cheaters in Apex Legends, like 0. No, ty. Battleye uses kernel level too - checked, that means you would complain about it anyway, right? Battleye is 3rd party software, that means the devs buys it, that means YOU pay for it. No, ty. I would rather have more protection over 'less protection and works anyway' like in Marvel Rivals.
EAC is also kernel level, I pointed that out in both. What I'm saying is the vast majority of these complaints about Linux would go away if the AC supported Linux.
You're wrong about your 3rd party statement. The anti-cheat used by MechaBREAK is also 3rd party, the only companies using in-house anti-cheats that I'm currently aware of are Mihoyo (Genshin Impact, Zenless Zone Zero, Honkai Star Rail), and Activision/Blizzard (Call of Duty uses Ricochet, their own in-house). Like 99% of games already run a 3rd party AC so you're still "paying for it" already if you play any of the thousands of online games that run these.
And the reason EAC hasn't stopped cheaters in Apex Legends is exactly what we're trying to explain to you but you seem to be too dense to understand... KERNEL LEVEL ANTI-CHEATS DON'T WORK.
"I would rather have more protection over 'less protection and works anyway' like in Marvel Rivals."
That's just it, YOU DON'T HAVE MORE PROTECTION.
Delta Force uses the same anti-cheat in MechaBREAK, apparently it's even AI powered... yet it has a massive cheater problem just like every other game running kernel level ACs.
Here's some proof:
https://youtu.be/74CwPOt2qvE
Отредактировано ★猫👾🌙; 21 фев в 19:41
The 'perfection' of Linux 'gameplay' :
https://www.protondb.com/app/1091500
Отредактировано ❀Eden❀; 21 фев в 19:45
Автор сообщения: ♡❀Eden❀♡
The perfection of Linux 'gameplay' :
https://www.protondb.com/app/1091500
Yes, this shows that it runs just fine. Your point? Gold rated often still runs better than on Windows
I play this game and it's also a gold rating, I get a full 144 FPS on Linux, it's so smooth I actually play worse because I'm too used to the lag on Windows. But on Windows? 40-60 at most with frequent drops.
https://www.protondb.com/app/1049590
Warframe too, the only thing that doesn't work right on Linux is the login screen which ironically isn't even the game, it's the launcher. If you launch the game directly you can login on the game's screen and it works just fine lol.
https://www.protondb.com/app/230410

Also, here, this guy was a developer for World of Warcraft, even helped write the anti-cheats.
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/LY2hG-_asKU
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/V1HwhwXelZo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=74CwPOt2qvE
Lmao the video you just posted says it becomes a lot harder for cheaters to cheat with kernel level anti-cheat in system. Point proven. HAHAHAHA
Отредактировано ❀Eden❀; 21 фев в 19:57
Автор сообщения: ♡❀Eden❀♡
Lmao the video you just posted says it becomes a lot harder for cheaters to cheat with kernel level anti-cheat in system. Point proven. HAHAHAHA
Where did they say it makes it harder to cheat? Are you talking about the DeltaForce video? They said it's harder to COUNTER cheaters. None of the videos I linked said it's harder to cheat with a kernel level AC.

For that matter, if a cheat is private, it almost never gets caught. It's the public cheats that people share and sell that get caught even with kernel level AC.

You edited your post to include the linked video. They don't say that it makes it harder for people to cheat, they said it's harder to detect or stop these cheats even with kernel level AC.
There's also some misinformation from the devs, they're claiming kernel level ACs can "block DMA exploits", DMA specifically gets around kernel level AC, those devs are lying lol.
Отредактировано ★猫👾🌙; 21 фев в 20:10
lmao on the scheme 3:23, they say to cheat instead of one PC now you need 2 PCs + 2 gadgets + price increase on cheats. Cheaters suffer, suits for me x))
Автор сообщения: ♡❀Eden❀♡
lmao on the scheme 3:23, they say to cheat instead of one PC now you need 2 PCs + 2 gadgets + price increase on cheats. Cheaters suffer, suits for me x))
I mean, there's other things they could do. The cheaters you're complaining about already spend thousands on cheating. They could get a Raspberry Pi and a capture card and do something very similar costing them only around $100, thats like the cost for an average cheat. It doesn't make it any harder lol.

Also as I said, you don't need any of that special hardware if you develop the cheat yourself and never share it. That's generally why EAC is so useless.
Отредактировано ★猫👾🌙; 21 фев в 20:15
Автор сообщения: ★猫★
Автор сообщения: ♡❀Eden❀♡
The perfection of Linux 'gameplay' :
https://www.protondb.com/app/1091500
Yes, this shows that it runs just fine. Your point? Gold rated often still runs better than on Windows
"Lag/Crashes/Stutter randomly 30mins+ into game on all common wayland compositors (tested kwin, mutter, sway, hyprland)"
"Performance significantly reduced after Arch system update (menus can't hit above 80fps, gameplay can't hit above 50fps), unable to narrow down the issue - env commandline was to force off Steam overlay for troubleshooting"
"Game runs fine for a while, but after 30 minutes to an hour, it starts stuttering hard on any mouse movement (1% Low tank to 15 FPS one movement), while CPU and GPU utilization drops by half. Tried multiple Protons (including GE), various presets, various settings for AMD SMT in Cyberpunk menu, restricting the game to a single CCD, always the same pattern. At this point I suspect it might be a bug with the game itself, that they broke something with a patch. I don't know, only got back into it now after playing back on launch.

The stuttering issue makes it really annoying, because basically every hour you need to restart the game."
"Lighting bugs out when exiting a menu after the game been on for a long time"
"Crashes immediately after the Cyberpunk logo when starting the game with DLSS frame generation enabled. Disabling it by modifying/deleting the config file will make it work again.

For people saying it's working again with Proton 8.0, it's because that version doesn't support DLSS frame generation at all :D"
"a single instance where a purple hue started forming on distant geometry, looking away from it fixed it though

game opened outside steam, directly through the executable"
"no differences with windows 11"
"The new update 2.21 broke the game, stuck endlessly at loading screen, sometimes got into the game but the textures etc. would not load. This was easily fixed from Steam by going to game properties and selecting "verify integrity of game files", it stated that 1 file was wrong and the game was fixed and works perfectly again."
"If playing with nVidia card, just disable Reflex using "__GL_NVIDIA_Reflex=0" it causes crashes for me in this and other games if not disabled."
"Crashes within a few minutes of gameplay when trying to use Cyber Engine Tweaks."

Runs 'just fine'.
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