Why doesn't this gen like PvP??? Please explain i would really like to try and understand your point of view

[SkooBa___]

So i really don't understand what the big issue is with PvP. In my opinion go back and play OSRS. ill be waiting in the Wildy, come find me lmao

For real though, like i get playing with friends is fun but have you actually even fought your friends in PvP? I bet you would have a blast!!

I really hope this thread kicks

[LittleEtherKitty]

Customs can be fun, but you can't really set that up, really.

[Rhudda]

First of all, I don't think it's a generational thing, unless I'm misjudging which gen you mean. I'm an elder millennial, and I avoid PvP like the plague. The only reason I'm here is because the store page all but hides the fact that this is a PvPvE battle royale, which brings me great disappointment.

As for my reasons: It's quite simple, at its core. PvP just isn't fun for me.

At best, it's an even fight and I win or lose based on a combination of skill and luck. This pumps adrenaline through my system to the point that I start shaking, and while I know many people crave that feeling, I don't. It feels bad.

At worst, someone who knows the game way better than I do and/or has access to better equipment obliterates me in seconds, which isn't any fun either. In PvP in a game that has been around for a while, you have to optimise the way you play, and I dislike optimisation. I want to play things that are fun to me, not follow the meta just so I stand a chance.

Actually, there's an even worse version of PvP, but that doesn't pertain to this game, and that's when people can spawn or corpse camp. Cause there are always some who do. That's just boring for the victim, and I don't understand how it's not boring to those who engage in it.

Edit: I forgot: You're specifically saying it's fun to fight your friends in PvP. My friends and I have tried that occasionally, and none of us thinks that. We just prefer cooperation. Different strokes and all.

[SkooBa___]

Originally posted by Hagrid Glodson:

First of all, I don't think it's a generational thing, unless I'm misjudging which gen you mean. I'm an elder millennial, and I avoid PvP like the plague. The only reason I'm here is because the store page all but hides the fact that this is a PvPvE battle royale, which brings me great disappointment.

As for my reasons: It's quite simple, at its core. PvP just isn't fun for me.

At best, it's an even fight and I win or lose based on a combination of skill and luck. This pumps adrenaline through my system to the point that I start shaking, and while I know many people crave that feeling, I don't. It feels bad.

At worst, someone who knows the game way better than I do and/or has access to better equipment obliterates me in seconds, which isn't any fun either. In PvP in a game that has been around for a while, you have to optimise the way you play, and I dislike optimisation. I want to play things that are fun to me, not follow the meta just so I stand a chance.

Actually, there's an even worse version of PvP, but that doesn't pertain to this game, and that's when people can spawn or corpse camp. Cause there are always some who do. That's just boring for the victim, and I don't understand how it's not boring to those who engage in it.

Edit: I forgot: You're specifically saying it's fun to fight your friends in PvP. My friends and I have tried that occasionally, and none of us thinks that. We just prefer cooperation. Different strokes and all.

i get what you're saying and I'm older to. Its just so what if you get obliterated? its not every single person theirs a select few who twink and cheat and all that. And nobody is saying don't use what you like. All games have versions of ''meta'' things doesn't mean you have to use them. people do only because they are optimal as you said. I get that its not for you, i don't get people who play games that have PvP then complain and complain about not having a Pve mode

I have been running something on rings lately its complete arse lol. i get wrecked almost every invasion or in any co op haha but im having ball.
Yeah i die, but its a game, i re spawn like 100m from where i dies if i want the runes i get them if not who cares ill get more when i do want them.
Games state single player multiplayer PvP etc, and people complain its not right blah blah blah.
Why don't people use their brain and read and go well it says single player but right under it says online PvP. Instantly to me i read that as you can play alone or play with friends either way there is activity regardless of what it is you know, but people read single player and lose their mind when there is an aspect of competition to it. WHO CARES IF YOU LOSE ITS NOT YOUR LIFE.

[SkooBa___]

Originally posted by Hagrid Glodson:

First of all, I don't think it's a generational thing, unless I'm misjudging which gen you mean. I'm an elder millennial, and I avoid PvP like the plague. The only reason I'm here is because the store page all but hides the fact that this is a PvPvE battle royale, which brings me great disappointment.

As for my reasons: It's quite simple, at its core. PvP just isn't fun for me.

At best, it's an even fight and I win or lose based on a combination of skill and luck. This pumps adrenaline through my system to the point that I start shaking, and while I know many people crave that feeling, I don't. It feels bad.

At worst, someone who knows the game way better than I do and/or has access to better equipment obliterates me in seconds, which isn't any fun either. In PvP in a game that has been around for a while, you have to optimise the way you play, and I dislike optimisation. I want to play things that are fun to me, not follow the meta just so I stand a chance.

Actually, there's an even worse version of PvP, but that doesn't pertain to this game, and that's when people can spawn or corpse camp. Cause there are always some who do. That's just boring for the victim, and I don't understand how it's not boring to those who engage in it.

Edit: I forgot: You're specifically saying it's fun to fight your friends in PvP. My friends and I have tried that occasionally, and none of us thinks that. We just prefer cooperation. Different strokes and all.

You are fighting with your frinds wrong then lmao its not all about the win

[Rhudda]

This is you trying to understand a non-PvPer's point of view? Telling me several times I shouldn't care if I lose?

Please read my original post again and understand I haven't a problem with losing, I have a problem with vastly unfair fights. Those crop up every single time I try to play anything in PvP, so I'm not going to waste my time hoping for good fights. Especially since those good fights also don't feel good to me for other reasons.

Originally posted by SkooBa___ ☠:

Games state single player multiplayer PvP etc, and people complain its not right blah blah blah.
Why don't people use their brain and read and go well it says single player but right under it says online PvP. Instantly to me i read that as you can play alone or play with friends either way there is activity regardless of what it is you know, but people read single player and lose their mind when there is an aspect of competition to it.

Well, when I see something like that I understand it as the game having a single-player mode, and an online PvP mode. Seeing as it also says "online co-op", I was expecting to be able to play this game with my friends without engaging in PvP. The main body of the page only ever alludes to PvP in the part about arena mode, everywhere else the description would fit any game where PvP is optional.

But we're getting off topic. You ostensibly wanted to learn why some people don't like PvP. I gave you my reasons. If you'd like to learn more, feel free to ask questions. But don't try and make this a discussion where you try to either tell me I'm wrong or that I shouldn't feel the way I do. It's not a discussion. I feel the way I do about PvP, you feel the way you do, and both are equally valid. I'm not here to complain about the game having mandatory PvP.

Oh, and btw: People who want to learn about why other people like or dislike specific things tend to not insult those other people's intelligence, so I'm questioning your motives.

Originally posted by SkooBa___ ☠:

You are fighting with your frinds wrong then lmao its not all about the win

Did I say it's about the win? Cause I know it isn't. We just don't like playing against one another. It's more fun for us to play co-op. Are you sure you want to learn about why some people don't like PvP?

[LittleEtherKitty]

Originally posted by SkooBa___ ☠:

Originally posted by Hagrid Glodson:

First of all, I don't think it's a generational thing, unless I'm misjudging which gen you mean. I'm an elder millennial, and I avoid PvP like the plague. The only reason I'm here is because the store page all but hides the fact that this is a PvPvE battle royale, which brings me great disappointment.

As for my reasons: It's quite simple, at its core. PvP just isn't fun for me.

At best, it's an even fight and I win or lose based on a combination of skill and luck. This pumps adrenaline through my system to the point that I start shaking, and while I know many people crave that feeling, I don't. It feels bad.

At worst, someone who knows the game way better than I do and/or has access to better equipment obliterates me in seconds, which isn't any fun either. In PvP in a game that has been around for a while, you have to optimise the way you play, and I dislike optimisation. I want to play things that are fun to me, not follow the meta just so I stand a chance.

Actually, there's an even worse version of PvP, but that doesn't pertain to this game, and that's when people can spawn or corpse camp. Cause there are always some who do. That's just boring for the victim, and I don't understand how it's not boring to those who engage in it.

Edit: I forgot: You're specifically saying it's fun to fight your friends in PvP. My friends and I have tried that occasionally, and none of us thinks that. We just prefer cooperation. Different strokes and all.

i get what you're saying and I'm older to. Its just so what if you get obliterated? its not every single person theirs a select few who twink and cheat and all that. And nobody is saying don't use what you like. All games have versions of ''meta'' things doesn't mean you have to use them. people do only because they are optimal as you said. I get that its not for you, i don't get people who play games that have PvP then complain and complain about not having a Pve mode

I have been running something on rings lately its complete arse lol. i get wrecked almost every invasion or in any co op haha but im having ball.
Yeah i die, but its a game, i re spawn like 100m from where i dies if i want the runes i get them if not who cares ill get more when i do want them.
Games state single player multiplayer PvP etc, and people complain its not right blah blah blah.
Why don't people use their brain and read and go well it says single player but right under it says online PvP. Instantly to me i read that as you can play alone or play with friends either way there is activity regardless of what it is you know, but people read single player and lose their mind when there is an aspect of competition to it. WHO CARES IF YOU LOSE ITS NOT YOUR LIFE.

~~Why don't people use their brain and read and go well it says single player but right under it says online PvP. Instantly to me i read that as you can play alone or play with friends

That's not what it means, though, no matter what the intended meaning is. It has single player, online pvp, and online coop. Single player specifically means you're the only one in that session, online coop means you can play with friends or randoms, as a team, and online pvp means that you can play against people. Single player is completely incompatible with coop and pvp, in the same session. People who know what this is supposed to mean would understand that it should be saying that there's different modes that allow for each variant.

Also, who's losing their minds over there being pvp? I don't recall anything of the sort from my readings. I've seen people complain that there's only pvp game modes in a game claiming to be single player, which again is completely incompatible.

[Grimmz]

i'm also elder millennial and its not that i hate pvp, its just that i don't like it when theres only pvp. for example imagine elden ring, except theres players at all times, thats no fun.

i like exploring the dungeons on my own without constantly being on my toes for possible enemy players trying to ruin my run.

pvp should be optional and not shoved down your throat as a norm.

[PokerusFreak]

games that dont tell you upfront that the game ALWAYS has PVP in it are just trash tbh. Not everyone enjoys a PVP experience, and that has nothing to do with age. Tons of older folk also dont like PVP games, and as a result... they just dont play them.

If youre asking why people are more vocal about not liking PVP (an entirely different matter), its because games like this seemingly promise PVP as an OPTIONAL thing to do in the game but then force it on you. I tried it, cause it looked neat and even the main menu where you are buying, equipping, selling etc has a mode that LOOKS like its single player... and yet immediately while im trying to figure out the clunky controls and what my skills do another player came up behind me and gibbed me before I knew what was happening.
Its just not remotely fun, to have one expectation of what youre getting and then being blindsided by other players just because you havent learned the game yet.

this game plain and simply failed to make players realize before trying it that PVP is not optional. none of us who dont like that would have even tried it in the first place had we known. thats not on us, thats on the devs sweetheart

[Lowbei]

Why is this gen scared of pvp? is fighting thinking opponents instead of mobs really that traumatizing?

it really says a lot.

[Top Goon]

"This gen dont like pvp" - wtf youre on when top famous online game is FORTNITE. Heck even the even more kidly Roblox is full of pvp

Im milenial and even tough i probably wont get the latest internet slang of the past month im not so out of touch to go guns blazing on the younger- i find most criticism like that misplaced even where theres some point but PvP really?? If anything id think this gen dont do enougth of the opposite or big rpg singleplayer because of the popularity of online games (pvp and pve both)

Also this comes from a enjoyer- while i hate most pvp games i do so because of their design, be it very low ttk or flashy abilities all over the screen but i was raised on arena shooters (and tf2 far outweights my playtime with everything). Heck i struggle with exclusively pve games because fighting same hordes gets old and repetitive very quickly for me... just saying that being milenial and oldschool pvp fan im even more baffled at the statement

Ive just came to the discussions, hadnt played the demo or seen the begs for pve yet BUT id say any indie-ish (heck even AAA) non free to play game is better of with pve and even better singleplayer at least as options. Just now Warhaven came out end of last year, huge budget unreal 5 massive fantasy pvp and... theyre closing it down before april i think. So id argue for alternatives to pvp only to every studio if theyd want my money- i have enought dead pvp games in my library.

But why does that happen? Is it the new generation not playing pvp? Then why are the milenials also not playing all those pvp games that die as well?
Its none of that- its just that multiplayer games (no matter the type, pvp and pve) live and die on popularity. You either get the hype of being one of the latest sensations and ride the fame while it lasts or you die on the beach.

Id blame the obsession with popular games, streaming (wich helps reinforce the same old stuff as 'the most popular') and the cursed battlepass (gotta login daily etc to get everything right?)

Also pvp games by nature nudge players towards whats popular. Im in for the fun, deep mechanics and what hits my buttons but a feel like a huge majority of pvp-first players are in for competition, getting gud and any sense of social (even if online) accomplishment - they want to win and drawn the envy or rage of oponents, for that you must get gud - so you need to INVEST time and effort for mastery... not many are willing to do so in very niche low population games, after all once the game finally dies all that grown skill is gone to waste.
...And not to mention the too numerous streamer-wanabes- any hope of being paid to play is on the popular games

So paywalled PvP only? And heck no guns on top(cause most gamers are craze for then, i dont get it but its true)? Id likely wait for deep discount if that much and not even touch this if the player count is low

PS: also a few dozen posting asking for pve in no way equals a whole generation. Theres tastes and tastes and you bet many into fantasy and rpg games fall in that no-pvp slice so its disapointing seeing something slick as pvp only. I like pvp arenas but when theres lvls and such im way more worried about gankers and cheaters ruining the fun

[Lecruidant]

Originally posted by LittleEtherKitty:

Originally posted by SkooBa___ ☠:

i get what you're saying and I'm older to. Its just so what if you get obliterated? its not every single person theirs a select few who twink and cheat and all that. And nobody is saying don't use what you like. All games have versions of ''meta'' things doesn't mean you have to use them. people do only because they are optimal as you said. I get that its not for you, i don't get people who play games that have PvP then complain and complain about not having a Pve mode

I have been running something on rings lately its complete arse lol. i get wrecked almost every invasion or in any co op haha but im having ball.
Yeah i die, but its a game, i re spawn like 100m from where i dies if i want the runes i get them if not who cares ill get more when i do want them.
Games state single player multiplayer PvP etc, and people complain its not right blah blah blah.
Why don't people use their brain and read and go well it says single player but right under it says online PvP. Instantly to me i read that as you can play alone or play with friends either way there is activity regardless of what it is you know, but people read single player and lose their mind when there is an aspect of competition to it. WHO CARES IF YOU LOSE ITS NOT YOUR LIFE.

~~Why don't people use their brain and read and go well it says single player but right under it says online PvP. Instantly to me i read that as you can play alone or play with friends

That's not what it means, though, no matter what the intended meaning is. It has single player, online pvp, and online coop. Single player specifically means you're the only one in that session, online coop means you can play with friends or randoms, as a team, and online pvp means that you can play against people. Single player is completely incompatible with coop and pvp, in the same session. People who know what this is supposed to mean would understand that it should be saying that there's different modes that allow for each variant.

Also, who's losing their minds over there being pvp? I don't recall anything of the sort from my readings. I've seen people complain that there's only pvp game modes in a game claiming to be single player, which again is completely incompatible.

Lost Ark is tagged as Single Player as well. Might wanna go over there into the discussions and educate them then since it's such a priority

[Grimmsch]

Just because people are vocal on steam doesn't mean it is a lot of them or even a whole generation.

[LittleEtherKitty]

Originally posted by Tô com calor:

"This gen dont like pvp" - wtf youre on when top famous online game is FORTNITE. Heck even the even more kidly Roblox is full of pvp

Im milenial and even tough i probably wont get the latest internet slang of the past month im not so out of touch to go guns blazing on the younger- i find most criticism like that misplaced even where theres some point but PvP really?? If anything id think this gen dont do enougth of the opposite or big rpg singleplayer because of the popularity of online games (pvp and pve both)

Also this comes from a enjoyer- while i hate most pvp games i do so because of their design, be it very low ttk or flashy abilities all over the screen but i was raised on arena shooters (and tf2 far outweights my playtime with everything). Heck i struggle with exclusively pve games because fighting same hordes gets old and repetitive very quickly for me... just saying that being milenial and oldschool pvp fan im even more baffled at the statement

Ive just came to the discussions, hadnt played the demo or seen the begs for pve yet BUT id say any indie-ish (heck even AAA) non free to play game is better of with pve and even better singleplayer at least as options. Just now Warhaven came out end of last year, huge budget unreal 5 massive fantasy pvp and... theyre closing it down before april i think. So id argue for alternatives to pvp only to every studio if theyd want my money- i have enought dead pvp games in my library.

But why does that happen? Is it the new generation not playing pvp? Then why are the milenials also not playing all those pvp games that die as well?
Its none of that- its just that multiplayer games (no matter the type, pvp and pve) live and die on popularity. You either get the hype of being one of the latest sensations and ride the fame while it lasts or you die on the beach.

Id blame the obsession with popular games, streaming (wich helps reinforce the same old stuff as 'the most popular') and the cursed battlepass (gotta login daily etc to get everything right?)

Also pvp games by nature nudge players towards whats popular. Im in for the fun, deep mechanics and what hits my buttons but a feel like a huge majority of pvp-first players are in for competition, getting gud and any sense of social (even if online) accomplishment - they want to win and drawn the envy or rage of oponents, for that you must get gud - so you need to INVEST time and effort for mastery... not many are willing to do so in very niche low population games, after all once the game finally dies all that grown skill is gone to waste.
...And not to mention the too numerous streamer-wanabes- any hope of being paid to play is on the popular games

So paywalled PvP only? And heck no guns on top(cause most gamers are craze for then, i dont get it but its true)? Id likely wait for deep discount if that much and not even touch this if the player count is low

PS: also a few dozen posting asking for pve in no way equals a whole generation. Theres tastes and tastes and you bet many into fantasy and rpg games fall in that no-pvp slice so its disapointing seeing something slick as pvp only. I like pvp arenas but when theres lvls and such im way more worried about gankers and cheaters ruining the fun

Well said.

[LittleEtherKitty]

Originally posted by Lecruidant:

Originally posted by LittleEtherKitty:

~~Why don't people use their brain and read and go well it says single player but right under it says online PvP. Instantly to me i read that as you can play alone or play with friends

That's not what it means, though, no matter what the intended meaning is. It has single player, online pvp, and online coop. Single player specifically means you're the only one in that session, online coop means you can play with friends or randoms, as a team, and online pvp means that you can play against people. Single player is completely incompatible with coop and pvp, in the same session. People who know what this is supposed to mean would understand that it should be saying that there's different modes that allow for each variant.

Also, who's losing their minds over there being pvp? I don't recall anything of the sort from my readings. I've seen people complain that there's only pvp game modes in a game claiming to be single player, which again is completely incompatible.

Lost Ark is tagged as Single Player as well. Might wanna go over there into the discussions and educate them then since it's such a priority

I did look and what I've got to say is... where? I looked and all I saw, in that regards was pvp, raids, and mmorpg. But, you know what? Doesn't matter, since I've no interest in its success.

[Lowbei]

the new gen is scared of any competitive interaction with other players because they might not win and might not get a participation trophy.