Death Knights are absurd

[Heavenly Father]

Okay, I've been maining a rogue since day one, and generally tend to do dps classes in games. Now a happy-go-lucky twentieth level.

I can 1v1 most classes with a crossbow and some luck, and its always a very fun gameplay loop of stealth, range, area denial with flasks.
Most classes, everyone, even.
Everyone except the death knight. They are completely broken due to the soul swirl thing they do. The damage output beats pretty much anything, whilst their health is either as high, or higher, than the knight.

I have legitimately died at full health just from the swirl, while stabbing a dk all over the place, while he literally didn't hit me once.

After getting the suspicion that they're a little whacky - I gave him a go, and guess what, I've gotten into 1v3s and won.
No skill, no gear, just swirl and get your shield up, good ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ luck kid.
Not a fluke either, I've done this at least two seperate times, and my own 3 man team has been solo wiped by dks several times
Sinners end is generally more choatic, so it's not as consistent, but in the castle - picking Dk IS the win button

Overall, the game is pretty great, despite the miriad flaws, which are acceptable in an alpha, but when the overall class balance is this out of proportion, it leads to a lot of frustration.

Rogue - dps and general nuisance
blademaster - good mix between dps and tank
warrior - tanky with good crowd control
cleric - support
mage - useless (havent died to them once)
Cryo - slightly better mage

dk - Literally everything the warrior is, except slighly quicker, with a grab, which is way better than the dash, and also does damage, and the absolutely comical swirl

tl;dr, dks are silly, and you should be ashamed for playing them, I hope it gives you that modicum of satisfaction and control, which you clearly lack in real life

[JF]

RUSH is the most busted talent in the entire game

[Pigeon]

Originally posted by Heavenly Father:

Originally posted by Clockeye:

oh without a doubt DK should have been the first to be nerfed, not cryo. Biggest issue with DK is his synergy with both his skills. I think Warr's spin does more damage then DK's aura. But I think, DK's aura isn't block able. All in all, this game is just braindead levels of imbalanced.

Not blockable, and not dependant on the weapon, since warrior needs the two hander

also, I'm pretty sure he doesnt even slow down, whilst the warrior has a very limited movement range with the spin

yes and yes however the warrior spin also winds up shaking the camera everywhere and if you don't have a shield your boned simple as. A Dks aura unless they are stacked (most DKs are because they took 3 days to unlock) will kill you slower but constantly. if you drag on the fight however a DK will run oom quick and there is no getting that back unless there are a pack of recently dead enemies laying around. If you clear out an area set up a killzone and focus on dodging the hand that DK is SoL. I use my DK to hunt down other DKs and rogues waiting to ambush people in areas where they leave a bunch of enemies alive to run away.

[MacNotReady]

Man the copium of DK players trying to keep their class broken is insane. "Just run until its out, try and shoot him while he grabs you with ranged stun, his resource is finite and needs to be recharged" but if he has at least half of it he can just run at you for a solid 10sec with impunity while holding onto a potion or bandage to run faster then you, and even if you do run hes still a heavy armor user with access to the 2h sword dash.

[Hunk]

Originally posted by Heavenly Father:

Originally posted by Clockeye:

but in all seriousness, dk and warrior are stupid OP for no good ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ reason. They nerfed Cryo, because....well just because. But didn't touch the 2 of the best classes that are far superior to any other class? Stupid is as stupid does when it comes to balance and these types of games.

Idk man, honestly warrior is annoying, but managable
Dk - literally no counter.
Run away? This isnt exactly a battle strategy lol

no counter you sure ? the other day while playing as dk i encountered a human warrior pulled him to myself he started doing his blayblayde maneuver decimated me in seconds before i could do any damage switched to human warrior to test this and what do you know it shreds just wait for a dk to pull you to themselfs and start spinnin like garen gets the job done quickier then dk and then there is mages ho can just freeze you/turn you into a statue then proceed to buff himself up with all kinds of potions/spells by the time you unfreeze the mage literally 2 shots you did you tried the other classes at all ?? the only class that seems outclassed by dk is rouge besides that the other classes has their own strong arsenal

[Hadraziel]

DK can't be healed by other players, that makes it less strong in team setting.
The devs must be balancing the game for teams, and solo will be unbalanced by design is my guess.
E.g. cleric will always be ♥♥♥♥ solo, and DK will always be strong

[Heavenly Father]

Originally posted by SirValcos:

Awww, a game where the rogue actually loses to something. Now you know how everyone else for all time has felt about your class.

I'll see you talk some ♥♥♥♥ after actually playing a rogue successfully, they're skill based, dks are just ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥

[Heavenly Father]

Originally posted by Hunk:

Originally posted by Heavenly Father:

Idk man, honestly warrior is annoying, but managable
Dk - literally no counter.
Run away? This isnt exactly a battle strategy lol

no counter you sure ? the other day while playing as dk i encountered a human warrior pulled him to myself he started doing his blayblayde maneuver decimated me in seconds before i could do any damage switched to human warrior to test this and what do you know it shreds just wait for a dk to pull you to themselfs and start spinnin like garen gets the job done quickier then dk and then there is mages ho can just freeze you/turn you into a statue then proceed to buff himself up with all kinds of potions/spells by the time you unfreeze the mage literally 2 shots you did you tried the other classes at all ?? the only class that seems outclassed by dk is rouge besides that the other classes has their own strong arsenal

warriors you can move away from/block, the dk spin works even when frozen, at least sometimes, which is batman beyond ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥

[LowIQ]

Originally posted by Heavenly Father:

Originally posted by Hunk:

no counter you sure ? the other day while playing as dk i encountered a human warrior pulled him to myself he started doing his blayblayde maneuver decimated me in seconds before i could do any damage switched to human warrior to test this and what do you know it shreds just wait for a dk to pull you to themselfs and start spinnin like garen gets the job done quickier then dk and then there is mages ho can just freeze you/turn you into a statue then proceed to buff himself up with all kinds of potions/spells by the time you unfreeze the mage literally 2 shots you did you tried the other classes at all ?? the only class that seems outclassed by dk is rouge besides that the other classes has their own strong arsenal

warriors you can move away from/block, the dk spin works even when frozen, at least sometimes, which is batman beyond ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥

DKs have lower hp than fighter, lower damage in melee, has no speed up/escape, can't be healed in group fight, relies on a mana pool that doesn't passively regenerate, and relies on a shadow damage attack that does 21damage/tick base at max level, which is way below things like SM aoe damage and so on.

The problem isn't that DK is powerful, it's that you all run around with NO SHADOW DAMAGE RESISTANCE, they always pick crit gear over element resist gear, and run into the guy who is slow but powerful in melee range using elemental damage. And then you wonder how that guy managed to kill you, when the answer is very obvious. You tried to facetank someone you shouldn't have while having no resistance at all to the damage they deal, and then you let him stand with a shield up in your face instead of just charge attacking him to death to go through the shield. You all die to dk noobs who play terribly then call THEM bad while you never actually gear up with anything in mind except "this make damage number big, this make physical reduction big. Ooga booga me strong boy now" and just spam left click at a shield.

The simple fact is that if you don't want to use any kind of shadow resistance then you won't win in melee range, and if you do then you'll probably win as long as you actually use your charged attack. So unless you want to equip yourself right then just stay this short, short distance away from DK and he can't hurt you at all unless he has a crossbow.

https://youtu.be/U4fXQjrE_QI

[СЕРЖ_СТОЛЬФО]

Originally posted by LowIQ:

Originally posted by Heavenly Father:

The problem isn't that DK is powerful

The problem is that he is playing the most broken class in the game overall and complains, that he can't outmelee tank-brawler-whatever class playing as squishy assasin. Sure you generally can't beat them by brainlessly clicking left mouse button - that's the entire point.

Check solo dungeon - its all rogues and DKs. All 3 mage classes are unplayable right now just because rogue exists. And that guy complains XD

[Paladiknight]

Rogue is a very powerful class
But DK is the strongest class bar none atm

People trying to argue but you can't heal them in a team. Self heal is sufficient. You've got a toggle ability that does plenty of damage, which is super problematic when you consider any other class that uses their ability in a skirmish can no longer cast that ability.

The resource management is negligible. It's really not hard to sustain it, and killing players gives you more than killing monsters. If someone doesn't run up to you and kill themselves, you pull them and watch them kill themselves.

[Razzen]

Originally posted by Heavenly Father:

Originally posted by SirValcos:

Awww, a game where the rogue actually loses to something. Now you know how everyone else for all time has felt about your class.

I'll see you talk some ♥♥♥♥ after actually playing a rogue successfully, they're skill based, dks are just ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥

Sure DKs are overturned, but acting like rogues aren't in the top 3 of most OP is a massive cope. There's a reason why 50% of players are rogues.

[Rognar]

The observations here have been made exclusively in solo, I have no idea what a DK brings to a squad environment.

Having fought against a couple DKs and played it a little myself I think they are strong but not impossible to deal with, depending on your class.

DKs excel at killing slow classes after a succesfull ambush, but they have limited tools to get there. The deadliest DKs I've met were the ones dropping from above or sneaking on players. If you're a warrior or a pyro and a DK gets in melee range your options are limited, even a decent skill use may buy you some time but a DK will only catch you later as you try to run.

Fast classes on the other end have a lot more odds of surviving a DK encounter, you can simply outrun his aura and his pull has a significant cooldown. Ranged weapons are great at discouraging DKs (and other slow classes) from pursuit. DK's aura is also a lot less dps than Fighter's spin2win so even if a fast class gets chipped its not instant death.

The key word here is ambush, having the first strike and the element of surprise gives anyone a massive advantage and DK is built to capitalise on an advantage. If a DK doesnt secure a kill for souls his effectiveness is greatly reduced so they tend to stay on explored turf where souls are easily gathered. Retreating into mobs (especially as a rogue) is a good way to shake a DK off.


In short, use crossbows and bombs, be mindful of the noise you make and look up.

[Chays]

and I think Death Knights is Rogue's counter class and that's why you're crying here... it's like the mage is crying that Rogue needs a nerf.

I personally think Rogue needs a nerf more than Death Knights.

[Rognar]

Originally posted by Chays:

and I think Death Knights is Rogue's counter class and that's why you're crying here... it's like the mage is crying that Rogue needs a nerf.

I personally think Rogue needs a nerf more than Death Knights.

If anything rogue is best equipped to survive DKs and merely have trouble getting close to them. Being a fighter and a DK drops next to you and simply hold his shield up is a lot tougher to deal with.

[Razzen]

Rogues are best equipped to survive ANY of the classes. Which class is better?