Death Knights are absurd

[Heavenly Father]

Okay, I've been maining a rogue since day one, and generally tend to do dps classes in games. Now a happy-go-lucky twentieth level.

I can 1v1 most classes with a crossbow and some luck, and its always a very fun gameplay loop of stealth, range, area denial with flasks.
Most classes, everyone, even.
Everyone except the death knight. They are completely broken due to the soul swirl thing they do. The damage output beats pretty much anything, whilst their health is either as high, or higher, than the knight.

I have legitimately died at full health just from the swirl, while stabbing a dk all over the place, while he literally didn't hit me once.

After getting the suspicion that they're a little whacky - I gave him a go, and guess what, I've gotten into 1v3s and won.
No skill, no gear, just swirl and get your shield up, good ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ luck kid.
Not a fluke either, I've done this at least two seperate times, and my own 3 man team has been solo wiped by dks several times
Sinners end is generally more choatic, so it's not as consistent, but in the castle - picking Dk IS the win button

Overall, the game is pretty great, despite the miriad flaws, which are acceptable in an alpha, but when the overall class balance is this out of proportion, it leads to a lot of frustration.

Rogue - dps and general nuisance
blademaster - good mix between dps and tank
warrior - tanky with good crowd control
cleric - support
mage - useless (havent died to them once)
Cryo - slightly better mage

dk - Literally everything the warrior is, except slighly quicker, with a grab, which is way better than the dash, and also does damage, and the absolutely comical swirl

tl;dr, dks are silly, and you should be ashamed for playing them, I hope it gives you that modicum of satisfaction and control, which you clearly lack in real life

[stoned.]

+1 same here, dk should be nerfed.

[MacNotReady]

Lol its absolutely ridiculous how overtuned they are. Just got soloed by the swirl with 790 hp 15% shadow resistance in full green and blue gear as a fighter against a dk with nothing but grey and whites. He autoed me maybe once.

[Clockeye]

but in all seriousness, dk and warrior are stupid OP for no good ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ reason. They nerfed Cryo, because....well just because. But didn't touch the 2 of the best classes that are far superior to any other class? Stupid is as stupid does when it comes to balance and these types of games.

[Heavenly Father]

Originally posted by Clockeye:

but in all seriousness, dk and warrior are stupid OP for no good ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ reason. They nerfed Cryo, because....well just because. But didn't touch the 2 of the best classes that are far superior to any other class? Stupid is as stupid does when it comes to balance and these types of games.

Idk man, honestly warrior is annoying, but managable
Dk - literally no counter.
Run away? This isnt exactly a battle strategy lol

[MacNotReady]

You can block fighter spin at least then get some hits in on the recovery. DK swirl has no counter besides run. Which then you get rooted by a dmg ability to die anyway. Mages def feel like garbo though. Either you get an unaware one shot which requires your ability plus a lightning staff or you get ran down by everyone.

[Pigeon]

chip them down from a distance they are slow and the grab is actually a bit fussy with it's targeting at times, literally was aiming at a teammate not moving and the grab still missed. At lower levels they are really low on health as their stat pool is spread wide against a bunch of stats they need. Most will dive head first thinking they are unkillable half of them only use the greatsword. ping them with bolts, magic, or bombs and they will crumple unless they are level 10+ in which case if you are not level 10+ yeah run because it's their stat growth that is actually insane.

[Clockeye]

Originally posted by Heavenly Father:

Originally posted by Clockeye:

but in all seriousness, dk and warrior are stupid OP for no good ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ reason. They nerfed Cryo, because....well just because. But didn't touch the 2 of the best classes that are far superior to any other class? Stupid is as stupid does when it comes to balance and these types of games.

Idk man, honestly warrior is annoying, but managable
Dk - literally no counter.
Run away? This isnt exactly a battle strategy lol

oh without a doubt DK should have been the first to be nerfed, not cryo. Biggest issue with DK is his synergy with both his skills. I think Warr's spin does more damage then DK's aura. But I think, DK's aura isn't block able. All in all, this game is just braindead levels of imbalanced.

[Heavenly Father]

Originally posted by Pigeon:

chip them down from a distance they are slow and the grab is actually a bit fussy with it's targeting at times, literally was aiming at a teammate not moving and the grab still missed. At lower levels they are really low on health as their stat pool is spread wide against a bunch of stats they need. Most will dive head first thinking they are unkillable half of them only use the greatsword. ping them with bolts, magic, or bombs and they will crumple unless they are level 10+ in which case if you are not level 10+ yeah run because it's their stat growth that is actually insane.

aw man, I bashed you in another thread, and you're super helpful here
sorry about that, thanks for the advice bro

[Heavenly Father]

Originally posted by Clockeye:

Originally posted by Heavenly Father:

Idk man, honestly warrior is annoying, but managable
Dk - literally no counter.
Run away? This isnt exactly a battle strategy lol

oh without a doubt DK should have been the first to be nerfed, not cryo. Biggest issue with DK is his synergy with both his skills. I think Warr's spin does more damage then DK's aura. But I think, DK's aura isn't block able. All in all, this game is just braindead levels of imbalanced.

Not blockable, and not dependant on the weapon, since warrior needs the two hander

also, I'm pretty sure he doesnt even slow down, whilst the warrior has a very limited movement range with the spin

[Pigeon]

No worries I take nothing in steam threads personally it's just a discussion and those tend to get heated so /shrug

[Clockeye]

Originally posted by Heavenly Father:

Originally posted by Clockeye:

oh without a doubt DK should have been the first to be nerfed, not cryo. Biggest issue with DK is his synergy with both his skills. I think Warr's spin does more damage then DK's aura. But I think, DK's aura isn't block able. All in all, this game is just braindead levels of imbalanced.

Not blockable, and not dependant on the weapon, since warrior needs the two hander

also, I'm pretty sure he doesnt even slow down, whilst the warrior has a very limited movement range with the spin

yea that's dumb OP.

[SirValcos]

Awww, a game where the rogue actually loses to something. Now you know how everyone else for all time has felt about your class.

[Kroma]

Unless you get a backstab rogue damage are pretty weak.
Rogue are annoying but i found them balanced enough if you stay aware and keep your back against walls xD
Mage are ok only if you can place your fireball, they explode in an aoe radius so you can use it to your advantage. They are really great in group tho, probably the best long range damage dealer right now.

I dont feel a major imbalanced personally except for the DK, having a spell which require no skill to land, has no direct counter which deals that much damage is awful for balance.

[JF]

lol w8 until you see a full item warrior

[Pigeon]

Originally posted by JF:

lol w8 until you see a full item warrior

truth