Why does everything have to be PvP?

[maniacal<1>]

This game has the potential to be a fun, simple thing you can dive into alone or with friends and just dungeon-delve. The approach and mechanics are so simplistic, and the treadmill is viable, I just don't understand why we can't have fun relaxing games anymore.
I have every interest in a dungeon crawler I can play with friends. I have ZERO interest in a dungeon crawler where some ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ can gank me while I'm busy having fun.

[maniacal<1>]

引用自 LowIQ：

It would definitely affect the balance if I could go and farm maxed equipment in pve then take it all to pvp and start smashing everyone who's been out there playing pvp and risking their gear for whatever comes up. And if you took the stance that pvpve should then only be played once you have the max gear in the first place then that just kinda spoils the fun because a. nobody will be there and b. What would I risk the gear for? To get the same gear?

The biggest point of contention with the PvP enthusiasts is precisely this, though. They KNOW if given the chance, the vast majority of players would stick to PvE, so if the two modes are separate and the characters can't coexist in a session, they'll be stuck with dwindling numbers and it'll eventually die out. This happens in every game where PvP is an option and not the default, yet they still insist that it's the popular mode.

The other game that dropped a demo like this, Dungeonborne, has this exact same conversation going on their forums, which just shows that there IS a legitimate interest in this kind of gameplay without the PvE elements.

[Tommy Wiseau]

PVP games are not fun these days. Theres nothing but hackers, people who exploit features and never get banned, sweaty no lifes and then theres those team mates who take it WAAAAY too seriously. Would be much better as a PVE.

[Cristik]

The 5 minutes I played was nice only to be ruined just trying to figure out how things work and reading item stats I am instantly killed by someone in one hit, great game will never play again.

[Macdallan]

引用自 maniacal<1>：

Why does everything have to be PvP?

It doesn't, and not everything is PVP.

引用自 maniacal<1>：

This game has the potential to be a fun, simple thing you can dive into alone or with friends and just dungeon-delve. The approach and mechanics are so simplistic, and the treadmill is viable, I just don't understand why we can't have fun relaxing games anymore.
I have every interest in a dungeon crawler I can play with friends. I have ZERO interest in a dungeon crawler where some ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ can gank me while I'm busy having fun.

It's being designed as a PVPVE game and if you want PVE only then you need to go somewhere else. Not every game, movie, book, concert, or piece of art will appeal to everyone. You don't go watch Die Hard or Robo Cop if you want a sappy romance movie, and you don't expect those films to BECOME a sappy romance movie just because that's what YOU want to see - you go watch Sleepless in Seattle instead. If a game isn't what you want - go play a different game.

There are plenty of relaxing PVE only games out there for you. Thousands, in fact, but you aren't going to find what you want here if that's what you want. Stop looking for corn in the apple orchard, mate.

[Lowbei]

引用自 Tommy Wiseau：

PVP games are not fun these days. Theres nothing but hackers, people who exploit features and never get banned, sweaty no lifes and then theres those team mates who take it WAAAAY too seriously. Would be much better as a PVE.

Youre welcome to feel that way, but this game is for people who dont feel that way.

[DragonKing]

Dark and Darker does soo many things better in terms of balancing where as you don't just get 1 shot by a rouge who does a ****ton of dmg before you know what is going on iv only played a few matches and have already given up with the 1-3 hit deaths. i know it is suppose to be hard but a fighter who spin to wins mage who does 2/3 hp in one spell or a rouge who invis 1 hit you while moving into close range. if they want a better player base add a pve game mode for those who don't want to be ganked every 2 seconds by cheap long range skills or invis rouges the pve is already on the slightly harder side of most games iv seen where you die to a few good hits from a mob

[Controlling Oxum's]

This post explains to me why there are so many awful players, they ignored the "PvPvE" part.

[$ickest]

get gud

[sog]

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[Prince Ali]

The better question is why does everyone just attack as soon as they see you? Where's the communication?

[otakon17]

引用自 andi：

because there is no better feeling than looting your opponent

Last guy that jumped me had base gear on. I beg to differ, especially so if you're not playing a class that can use their equipment.

[LittleEtherKitty]

引用自 Lowbei：

because pve is boring and it would die in a week.

its a pvpve game and wont be changing, and you knew that before downloading unless you didnt even read the store page.

The store page literally says single player, which would suggest at least a mode that has no pvp.

引用自 LowIQ：

引用自 LittleEtherKitty：

You wouldn't need to separate the loot to each mode as it won't affect the balance that much. You'll just have players that aren't as well versed in pvp using high gear, and considering the devs have made a point that even between max gear and min gear, they don't want the players to feel like a fight is hopeless, the pve to pvp players would just be slightly stronger noobs in actual pvp, due to less pvp experience. Worse case scenario, pve only will end up being the grinding mode while pvpve ends up being the geared playground. Either format could be done, but we'll have to see if they implement such a game mode before that even comes into play.

It would definitely affect the balance if I could go and farm maxed equipment in pve then take it all to pvp and start smashing everyone who's been out there playing pvp and risking their gear for whatever comes up. And if you took the stance that pvpve should then only be played once you have the max gear in the first place then that just kinda spoils the fun because a. nobody will be there and b. What would I risk the gear for? To get the same gear?

Restricting gear levels to different lobbies could allow for grinding for better loot, slowly. This said, literally same thing can happen from someone who just so happened to get lucky with spawns. I get some better gear and then get steam rolled by someone who brought in max gear, what then? The only real difference is when you want to take the increased risk for potentially better gear.

Btw, I'm not saying that they should allow for shared loots between the two mode, it's a more opinionated thing. Each one would promote different play methods. The part a. thing, that's a reasonable concern and might cause some problems, potentially major ones, at that. Though, skewing the loot %'s could potentially help with that, but I'm not sure, there. Encourage more skilled players to risk pvp deaths for faster gear increases.

引用自 Controlling Oxums：

This post explains to me why there are so many awful players, they ignored the "PvPvE" part.

Probably for the same reason you ignore the "single player" part in the store page, and why it seems like everyone also ignores the fact that there's already a non-pvpve mode in the game.

引用自 Prince Ali：

The better question is why does everyone just attack as soon as they see you? Where's the communication?

Ja, it seems like everyone just wants to bully others, in this game, and most any pvp game that has some sort of communication between teams.

[CroDanZ]

Because many people (me included) enjoy PVP games.....They're tons of PVE dungeon crawlers you can play with friends, just pick one of those.

[LittleEtherKitty]

引用自 CroDanZ：

Because many people (me included) enjoy PVP games.....They're tons of PVE dungeon crawlers you can play with friends, just pick one of those.

Can you recommend one that's actually good? And what's wrong with requesting a new mode. Not changing the current modes, plural as there are two modes, but adding a new one.

[Detlef]

引用自 Grimmsch：

I have no idea what's wrong with PvE enthusiasts.
Not once in my life did I head over to a PvE game and ask for PvP.

To have engaging PvE you have to build a game from the ground up with PvE in mind.
If you remove PvP here - you have a boring shell of a game. The mobs are trivial.

There are pure PvE extraction/looter games coming up. I don't recall one in a dungeon setting tho.

They are babies.